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Wuornos was not a female Ted Bundy, but she was a female Gary Ridgway


Similar mentality, similar (low) intelligence, similar delusional denial of culpability for their actions. She did not kill because of any uncontrollable compulsion or fascination with death, but she killed because of a total lack of conscience, for basic material needs (ie. theft) and for the same reason most serial killers keep on killing, a feeling of power over their victims.

This was a fictionalised film (in terms of facts and characters) that attempted to humanise, sympathise and even excuse Wuornos' murders. The director, Patty Jenkins, is almost certainly a man-hating feminist who saw a golden opportunity to make an apologist film for a woman who killed men. There's no other explanation for it. This would be an unthinkable thing to do for any other serial killer, and frankly makes victims of the victim's families all over again and piss on a few graves. It's hard to believe they went there.

The real Wuornos was a remorseless psycho, a confessed female SERIAL KILLER who still had the gall to try on the the holy grail of female murderer excuses, "self defence", to avoid justice for her crime. This is reflective of the way a lot of feminists look at the world though. There are no individuals, what one man does, all others are somehow responsible for. If a guy treated you bad in high school, that justifies you trashing other men for the rest of your life (well, the ugly ones anyway).

Because the guys she killed were (in most cases) guys who used prostitutes, most simply lonely but some were rough (par for the course for that line of work, fact of life) many people (usually women) automatically assume that they were "unworthy victims" who didn't matter, that their deaths were no big deal.

This is the same attitude that the Green River Killer (Ridgeway) had about the prostitutes he killed. That he was doing society a favour because these were bad, worthless people. Disease spreaders, marriage wreckers, scum of the earth. Sure, he killed a lot more because he evaded capture for a long time and was able to do so in the pre-DNA era.

Some may have even have bought into this fictionalised movie that they provoked her in some way (probably from the "porn/prostitution is rape" school of feminist "logic"). That she was a poor battered woman, a tortured soul who was just pushed too far. It's *beep* though. The fact is most male serial killers, even Ted Bundy, were spurned or hurt in some way, by women or family members or whoever. All of them have some kind of mental issues. Doesn't give them license to kill people.

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First of all, you clearly don't know what a feminist is...and second of all, I guess you missed the rape scene.

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Yep. Rape excuses serial murders, all right.

I don't like the way blood money spends.

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It's kind of sad that the only way you know how to have a discussion, is to put words into someone's mouth.

-- I am a traveler of both time and space, to be where I have been

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Well said right on


This is who I am. This is what I know. Im never gonna stop. Fv!k what they think! -Kuza

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Of course I know what a feminist is. They are essentially members of the round earth society, campaigning for rights they already have against things that don't exist - while ignoring those things in countries where they actually do because it's politically inexpedient.

Social justice weasels are all the same. If they weren't railing against some imagined injustice, they'd have no reason to exist.

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Darkfalz:

You don't understand feminism or anything else that isn't about white males, apparently. And your assumption that the director was trying to justify anything Wuornos did is ridiculous, she simply made a film about her. I don't see you saying that male directors who make films about male serial killers are making apologies for them in any way,shape or form. And calling her a "man-hating feminist"---uh, first of all, you don't have to be a feminist to hate men, or certain men. What a stupid and ignorant assumption on your part. We get it---you have issues with women, so get some help for it. It's got nothing to do with this film, however, so get the hell over yourself.

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I guess you missed Aileen making crap up.

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Yeah, it appears that you're just using this film to rant about your hatred of feminists. You clearly have no idea what feminism actually entails because it actually has nothing to do with "man hating", and more to do with women who just want to be treated as equals. I'm not going to get in a pissing contest about what equality is (because, inevitably, some yahoo will complain that women don't fight on the front lines of war, etc) because most people have their own definition of that.

This film didn't make excuses for Wurnos' actions. She did have a terrible childhood and was sexually abused but those things don't give a person the right to rob and murder. I don't think anyone anywhere buys her self defense excuse so I honestly have no idea why you're making a big deal about it.

And just like Wurnos, Ted Bundy didn't have a valid excuse to kill women he didn't know because of a less than ideal childhood. Bundy was rejected by ONE woman and took that rejection as an excuse to murder women who didn't even know him. In short, it was a bulls*it excuse used by a woman hating man to justify his psychotic behavior.

For the most part, men are the ones who commit the most henious and violent crimes yet there's always some moronic guy who feels the need to defend their fellow dudes because men only do bad things because of meanie women. Your entire posts not only reeks of ignorance but also misogyny. Your attempts to couch it in a bunch of text just made you look more stupid and hate filled.

I'm pretty sure there are a few men's rights forums out there that are just longing to hear your thoughts on a Hollywood movie and how Ted Bundy was a super dude so please stop wasting your talents here.

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Yes. Thank you. You said it better than I could have.

-- I am a traveler of both time and space, to be where I have been

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For the most part, men are the ones who commit the most henious and violent crimes

Excuse me, stop it right there hypocrite! You say the OP is a misogynist and then you go on to say that men are the worse killers.

Looks like you haven't heard of this woman:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katherine_Knight

A list of female serial killers:

http://listverse.com/2013/07/30/fixed-10-female-serial-killers-from-ar ound-the-world/

Women can be as bad as men - it seems to me that you have overlooked this.

Life is like a beautiful melody, only the lyrics are messed up.

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Men and Women are as bad as each other.

/debate.

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I think you kind of missed the point of the film. The point was to give insight into Wuornos' actions through her own eyes- she thought she was doing the "right thing," that she was some kind of vigilante. If not that, her actions were strictly thought of as survival.

Think of it this way: God forbid you had been through what she had (at a young age). Ultimately, she had no family, no friends, and was completely alone in the world- unless you include that one older gentleman she was with for like 8 months. Nearly everyone she had been associated with had hurt her in some way. Then, she meets Tyria (or Selby in this case), and for the first time she finally felt what she thought was love from another human being. When a person is stripped of warmth and compassion for so long, even a taste of it will keep them clinging to it for dear life. Selby/Tyria gave the impression that if Aileen didn't bring in money, she wasn't going to stay.

The first few times she killed I think was out of repressed anger from her past. Either that, or she actually thought she was being raped. It's remarkably common for rape victims to experience flashbacks during a sexual act- even if it's wanted. After so many times, I think it turned into a "survival of the fittest" situation.

Does that give anyone the right to kill? Absolutely not. But to say she was an evil person with no conscious is overreaching. She was just severely disturbed, mentally and emotionally. Who's to say that we wouldn't act any differently had we gone through what she had?

Regardless, I think somewhere beneath the scar tissue of hate was a genuinely good person. But there are a lot of things out there, things that happen every day, that bring out the monster in people.

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"The director, Patty Jenkins, is almost certainly a man-hating feminist who saw a golden opportunity to make an apologist film for a woman who killed men."

Makes sense, if any woman does anything that you don't like it has to be because she's a bull-dyke femi-Nazi. Say, ever wonder how there came to be man-haters in the first place?

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No she was not a female Gary Ridgeway. LOL! Gary Ridgeway repeatedly had sex with the corpses of his murdered victims. Dude was totally and completely insane. He murdered tons of women while maintaining a family and a job....talk about compartmentalizing your life.

I think Aileen had been victimized her entire life and finally let her rage out on people who resembled her abusers, men. Maybe not all the men who were murdered by her were rapists but we'll never know.

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Yes, we do know. Mallory was the only victim with a criminal charge of assault with intent to rape and that was 30 years before. But it doesn't matter if they were rapists, because it's obviously not the reason she killed them

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You can be sympathetic to the fact that they died. Ultimately they pursued cheap sex understanding that what they are doing is a criminal act. Thus an unregulated industry with no oversight. No person should reasonable have expectations of safety for their personhood.

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