I am still trying to reconcile the lack of interest and positive reaction to this movie. Sure it isn't a mainstream popcorn movie blockbuster, but even the art house crowd are unenthusiastic and negative towards it, if not downright hostile. yeah, we basically live in more tolerant and open-minded society now that's more liberal and progressive but maybe its just surface level and most of society is just "ironic", "wanna-be cool" glib, superficial and pop culturally intuned but safe, boring and let's face it... SQUARE!
On V-H's last post: Obviously Korine's film is a biting indictment on spring breaks and frat/soror American mindsets. I'm just wondering if those who see it "get it."
Really, you're certain of that? It doesn't really seem that way to me, not in general anyway. I mean I don't know if I'd call it a certainly liberal era but I certainly wouldn't call it a certainly conservative either. I think maybe the 2000s could be better described as a conservative era, but not right now. I think the only real area where conservatism has really taken hold is in how the economy runs, the economics of deregulation, union busting, and austerity measures economics -- ironically, it's called "neo-liberal" economics -- and actually in recent years there's been a growing reaction against all these things (the Madison labour protests in early 2011, the worldwide Occupy encampments in late 2011, the Indignito movment in Spain, the anti-austerity and student tution hike protests all over Europe, South America, and in Quebec over the last few years). Of course, the economy and how ti works is a huge thing to have control of, but liberals have control of huge things too, like almost all the pop/media culture you see is liberal made.
So why are you so certain that it's a conservative era? Even with a black president in the White House and states that now have legalized pot? lol, sorry, I'd call that anything but conservative.
The conservative view on sex is overwhelming? No. The amount and varieties of porn you can find today is overwhelming, where's the so-called conservative influence there? In Canada and many European countries now, prostitution is legal for prostitutes (but, non-sensically and unjustly, not legal for the customers), where's the conservative influence there? If the conservative view is so overwhelming, how do movies like this get made at all then? You might counter with something like, "well, this is just a small, indie movie", but look at Martin Scorsese's recent movie "The Wolf of Wall Street" which has a very high sexual content (and very little violence) and it's made over 300million and has gotten mostly good reviews and oscar nods. And....the overwhelming conservative influence? Sound the crickets.
A few people here saying something against the sexual content of this movie is no accurate reflection of the mindset of people today, maybe a certain segment but not generally. Such criticism is expected and it would have happened in any time period, in fact in the past there would probably be more people against it regardless of whatever political party or political attitude dominated the time.
(Btw, I don't think affirmative action policies have made it a more racially tolerant society, certainly not alone anyway. Besides, affirmative action policies could have worked to do just the opposite, breed contempt and resentment against those preferentially selected.)
>>I think people, especially the young ones, don't identify themselves with the book and its wandering poets anymore. It looks pointless and outdated to them.
And why should the younger ones identify with these poets, at least enough to like the movie? Because they "defy convention" and do as they please?
>>they are prudes who looks after 'moral' values.
It's amusing how libertines don't understand the concept of 'moral' values. Their reaction is almost juvenile ... Kinda like rantings in OTR.
2014: Whiplash, Cold in July, that Terrence Malick project set in Austin
I don't think the 2010s is "square" in relation to the 40s and 50s. I think mabye the 2000s was more square. Now, we have a black president and pot legal in at least two states, so it can't be THAT square :)
But I think we really just live in times of extremes. I think the progressive places are becoming more progressive (California, New York, Washington, etc) while the traditional places are becoming more traditional (the South, parts of middle America).