It seems difficult for a non-Christian to understand the obsession of Christianity in their focus on the torment of Christ ? Wouldn't it be more beneficial to speak of his teachings alone ? The symbol of the cross of course confirms this obsession.
shareIt's not an obsession. They sincerely believe that Jesus' death on the cross was an atoning sacrifice that removed the stain of sin from them and guaranteed them a place in Heaven. Therefore their salvation, they believe, rests on this key factor of a sacrifice of a perfect man and perfect God-Man for their sake. His suffering was proof of his deep love for them. Of course, this element is rightly called "Crossianity", which as you indicated, sometimes bypasses Jesus' teachings, parables, exorcisms, healings, conflicts with priests and Pharisees, etc. It was Paul and John who pushed Jesus' ministry to the back burner in order to emphasize that he is the dying-rising divine Savior and only-begotten Son of God.
shareSo in consequence for his "sacrifice " we owe him out allegiance? What kind of God would ask someone to submit to this kind torment anyway ? I know the Old Testament shows God to be a pretty tough dude i.e. the Great Flood with Noah, Abraham being called upon to sacrifice his son Jacob, etc., but this New Testament entry ain't helping how he's perceived.
shareWhat kind of God would ask someone to submit to this kind torment anyway ?
The sacrifice was voluntary. Jesus offered himself freely without human or divine coercion, the idea being that only a sinless sacrifice would be truly efficacious, and Jesus, being both "the perfect man" and "God the Son", uniquely fulfilled this requirement.
we owe him out allegiance?
Touchy subject, I admit, just asking out my own ignorance and personal edification. I'm not being.judgmental, and as non-christian,
but one who respects all faiths I find this subject fascinating. To be frank as child I found the image of the crucifxion unsettling and I never understood it central role in the faith.
To be frank as child I found the image of the crucifxion unsettling and I never understood it central role in the faith.
Because it's like an ego orgasm
"Look how awesome my savior is and how much he suffered. No one has ever suffered more!" *Ignores pretty much all history*
That's about it. Just something to jerk the ego's wang to till you're satisfied
Panzer vor!
It's a form of showing off.
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If I could stop a rapist from raping a child I would. That's the difference between me and god.
Without Christ fulfilling this purpose, there would be no salvation for any of humanity. It was the single most important thing He came here to do, as He told us Himself. As beautiful as His teachings are, taking the punishment for the sins of humanity upon Himself and resurrecting to conquer death itself is much more important than any amount of inspirational speeches could ever be.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews+9%3A12&version=NLT
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+14%3A6&version=NLT
+++by His wounds we are healed. - Isaiah 53:5+++
Without Christ fulfilling this purpose, there would be no salvation for any of humanity.
That is a doctrine not found in, and utterly foreign to, the Hebrew Bible, which clearly states that Yahweh instituted an eternal covenant - one form for Jews, and the Noahide covenant for Gentiles. Yahweh, in his mercy, was said to have designed these covenants for the salvation of all humankind, both Jew and Gentile. No sacrifice of "the perfect God-Man" was anticipated or prophesied in the Hebrew Bible. No such sacrifice was wanted or desired either by Yahweh or his Jewish and Gentile children. That idea came after John and Paul decided that Covenant and Torah were abolished by (the wholly fictional) "atoning sacrifice on the cross" that Jesus purportedly made. The Gospels themselves, where they have not been contaminated with Johannine and Pauline soteriology, attest to the enduring character of Yahweh's original covenants with Jews and Gentiles. In fact, Luke's Gospel, although it, like the other Gospels, contains a narrative of Jesus' Passion and death, never once references the atoning sacrifice doctrine. For Luke, Jesus' martyric death was at most a ransom for many, but not a ransom from "original sin" or the death of a World-Savior.
Moreover - and again - Luke in Acts reveals that for the Judean/Jerusalem disciples, Torah, Temple, Law, and kosher were still in effect for Jews and Jewish converts to the Jesus sect, long after Jesus' death:
19 Paul greeted them and recounted one by one the things God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry. 20 When they heard this, they glorified God. Then they said to Paul, “You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the Law. 21 But they are under the impression that you teach all the Jews who live among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or observe our customs.…
Acts 21:19-21 - bible hub
Thus even the NT testifies to an old tradition that Jesus' death was not an atoning sacrifice that abolished the Law, the customs, and the Covenants. It witnesses to the fact that Jesus' death was not atoning, did not replace Torah, Law, Covenant, and customs...just as it witnesses to the treacherous Pauline doctrine that Judaism had been invalidated by Jesus' fictional "sacrifice" on the cross.
Wouldn't it be more beneficial to speak of his teachings alone ?
You might want to read books on the sacrificial lamb and the Passion and Resurrection is the glue that Christianity is based on.
Also a movie board is not the place to seek out theology of a religious faith. I wouldn't go to some movie board to seek out questions and depth on Islam, Buddhism or Hinduism.
You have a lot to learn awrobel.
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