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Why does Vincent Gallo hate women?


The Brown Bunny is known for two things… driving sequences and the infamous scene in which Chloe Sevigny graces Vincent Gallo with oral sex. Critics hated it as well as most viewers and it is widely considered the worst movie ever to have been accepted into the prestigious Cannes Film Festival. This is the movie that prompted renowned movie critic Roger Ebert to claim that his colonoscopy was more entertaining. It was the morbidly curious kid in me that made me rent it, although I fully expected to hate it. The weird thing is that I actually understood exactly what it was about… loneliness. The first hour of the movie is an artistic expression of said emotion and it conveys it extremely well. Filmmaking is an art form which has been exploited by greedy, patently inartistic men and therefore most movies are made exclusively to make money and nothing more. The Brown Bunny is an art film, and like great pieces of art it skews entertainment value in favor of transmitting sentiment. As a fervent disparager of Gallo’s misogynistic films (exemplified by Buffalo 66) I found myself quite shocked that I was appreciating The Brown Bunny, but at the one hour mark it all fell apart. The hypnotic spell that had meticulously (purposeful or accidental) been cast was absolutely shattered by deus ex machine, a cheap plot devise in which a person or thing appears out-of-the-blue to help a character overcome an apparently insolvable difficulty. Although Daisy is mentioned throughout the first hour her appearance is no less enigmatic and only seems to spur Gallo toward two tacky, gratuitously explicit scenes that completely obliterate any and all artistic merit the film had. And once again Gallo’s misogynistic tendency rears its ugly head. What was building up to become a near perfect conveyance of self-imposed seclusion is utterly ruined by inscrutable moments of unnecessary contrivance. Most people are not going to like this movie anyway, there is barely any dialogue and no action set-pieces, but art-house audiences aren’t going to like it either. Unlike other sexually explicit films like Shortbus and David Cronenberg’s Crash in which the sex is actually pivotal to character development and plot, the sex here is just an unpleasant indulgence and one more example of Vincent Gallo’s narcissistic misogyny. It would be one thing if his films were critical examinations of these crude masculine traits but they aren’t. The worst part of Gallo’s incessant love affair with the sexist denigration of women is nearly amusing considering his effeminate demeanor and shrill, girly voice. Perhaps that is the deeply seeded reason for his anti-women films right there, I don’t know. One thing I do know for sure is that if he’s behind the camera I’m staying far away from that movie.

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"One last thing: If you see graphic sex and immediately assume the filmmaker responsible hates women, you're rushing to judgment, and unfairly so. It clearly offended you, as it did so many others, and in today's porn-laden age it really shouldn't. You knew what you were getting into, and so did Sevigny."

Please explain this last comment. Now that sexual exploitation has become common place, now that we can get porn 24/7 in our own homes w/no thought for the person(s) who has/have been dehumanized so the porn addict can get off--now we're not supposed to be offended when it's "mainstreamed?" Now it's okay to treat women (or men or children) like meat? Am I understanding your argument here??? Just because you may be a dead-on-the-inside, useless sack of soul-less flesh, doesn't mean everyone else is. Some people are still old fashioned enough to believe in love, respect, human dignity--some are even crazy enough to believe that no one's child should be used in such a manner...for "entertainment." And that's exactly what every single person on this planet is--whether you understand it on a deeper level or not--someone's child. Roegcamel, your last paragraph is heartbreaking and you don't even know it...

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I liked both the OP's comments and Roegcamel's response. Both were very thoughtful and intelligent and avoided the typical mudslinging of these boards.

I wasn't bothered by this film being misogynistic (although it would seem Gallo may have an issue or two...or three with women). I agree that it did a great job setting a mood of loneliness, I wasn't bothered by Daisy's appearance later and it didn't ruin the film for me. I also, don't think the movie is very special at the end of the day. Last Tango In Paris is an interesting comparison as there are some similar themes and somehwat similar pacing. One huge diference though...LTIP was an engaging and interesting film. Brown Bunny is painfully dull (and I love slow movies, Gus Van Sant, David Lynch, Cronenberg, etc. slow pacing does not bother me a bit) and just doesn't add up to much. Gus Van Sant's Gerry is one of the most painfully slow movies I've ever seen but when all was said and done, it definitely seemed to have more of a point and raise more interesting ideas than this film.

So, I don't know that he hates women and while I can appreciate what sweatpeagabrielle is saying, I don't think porn in the modern age is the least bit shocking (and frankly...I think the cries of exploitation are a bit much...Sevigny absolutely knew what she was doing as do 99.9% of the porn actors and actresses out there...many of whom seem to love their job). I do believe in love, respect and human dignity. I also believe that we have major voyeuristic tendencies and that it's normal to want to watch other people engage in secual activity and normal to allow yourself to be filmed and want to share that with other people. We're not talking about a rape or a snuff film or anything here...

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Finally, a thread on IMDB with well-thought, well-expressed, and interesting ideas. For the most part, I second brianpritchard's thoughts.

I will not warn of spoilers to follow except to say that if a reader has not yet seen the film, they should not be reading this anyway.

I did not find the film to be misogynistic at all. Gallo, on the other hand, I am convinced, has plenty of issues with pretty much everybody, including women. I do find it rather fascinating that so much of the attention given to this movie is centered around the oral sex scene, while very little is focused upon the rape scene. I suppose that says more about US than it does about Gallo. But in any case, except for the rape scene, none of the women in the film are denigrated, abused or degraded.

And I think it's important to point out that while the act of fellatio may place one participant in a more submissive position than the other, this certainly does not mean that the act is inherently degrading, abusive, or dominating (or misogynistic in this case). Those who naturally see it that way have serious emotional issues.

But we ARE talking about a rape film here. And I hate to admit it, but I think Gallo's portrayal of that entire sequence and plot point was wonderful. Here we do see the broad blade of misogyny wielded -- but it is wielded as a sword rather than as a battle axe. Although scenes of this subject matter are fairly commonplace in film, they nearly always attempt to beat the viewer over the head with shocking violence rather than to pierce the brain with disgust. I do believe that this may be the best portrayal of this subject matter I have seen. I don't know if that was Gallo's intent, but it any case, for me it was quite powerful.

As for the rest of the film, the excruciatingly tedious road scenes are quite the opposite. Gallo obviously hates us all, and so forces us to sit through these out of spite. At least he did provide some nice music to pass some of the time during some of these scenes...

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What still boggles the mind for me is that this is the same guy who made Buffalo 66! An amazing, engaging, snazzy, slightly twisted little love story.

As for effective rape/degradation scenes (gee that sounds a little creepy to be talking about). To me, nothing will ever beat Requiem for a Dream. Jennifer Connely walking out of that apartment, going through the elevator and then puking on the sidewalk always seemed to get the point across in a strong, but still subtle way.

That whole movie is like that though...

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People like Sweatpeagabrielle want the world to be black-and-white, instead of the spectrum of color that it is.

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Uh, no. People like you just want to think you're so much more sophisticated than everyone else, because it excuses your own behavior and you don't have to think of yourself as a bad person, even if by any objective measure you're a prick.

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BYOS, woohoocations?

(bring [/brought] your own subtext)

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And your response is actually dehumidifying. It was so dumb the water from my body literally tried to flee.

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The fact that he hates women shouldn't come as much of a surprise. Reading his website, I get the impression he hates everyone who isn't Vincent Gallo.

Sure, I keep some homemade plutonium in my pants.

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Ha! Well said, stillanotherharris :)

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Well noted, joshua_skye, in regard to Gallo's misogynism playing out in all his films. People pontificate endlessly on the graphic nature of Sevigny's work in TBB - but the most revealing performance (as writer, primarily) is Gallo's. His (apparently rather profound) issues with women are laid bare in TBB. I have absolutely no problem with nudity/sex....but this was unsettling. I have no desire to ever again immerse myself in this man's creepy personal problems.

Personally, if i could 'unwatch' this movie, i would.



No thanks, Gallo.

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