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The second season was not as good as the first


When I first saw this series years ago, I thought it was one of the best TV dramas of all time. I just recently finished watching it again on HBO GO and the second season was not very good. So many forced relationships and ridiculousness. It was just corny. I wish there was source material that I could read to finish the story and fill in the holes. Still, the first season was addictive and captivating.

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First season was all style and did it well. The storytelling was the absolute pits, though.

"We gotta find this guy named Scudder" is pretty much what the entire season boiled down to, and the reasoning was piss poor as well. Why is Scudder important? Beats me. And to top it all off, they never even found the damn guy until halfway through season two!

If you can forgive that the story goes completely nowhere, then it's very enjoyable because of other elements such as cinematography, style, and subject matter.

Season two is where the story picks up and stuff actually happens, so if you're a plot-oriented person, you'll probably enjoy that one a bit more.

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Daniel Knauff was trying to appease HBO and speed up the storyline and dumb it down to attract more viewers who said the first season was too complicated to understand.

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Season 2 was better than 1 in my opinion. We finally get the confrontation between good & evil, albeit at the end of the season but we get it. Plus, the whole premise of the show become clearer.

Season 1 was ben is important and we have to find Scudder- but why, pray tell? We find out in season 2.

I watched season 1 when the show wsa on television, but I never saw season 2 until earlier this year when I re watched the entire thing. And, just when the show was getting good it was over. After I was through watching the series, I wanted to read what plans Knauf had slated for the show. Doing that further opens the show in a whole new light. The essence that was the show, its characters, family tree and good vs evil battle truly opens up.


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The season was also cut from 12 episodes to 8, so it was rushed.

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Both seasons are 12 episodes, though, so what are you talking about?

I like both seasons kind of equally. The problem is that it's a trade-off in quality -- Season 1 has that amazingly beautiful, atmospheric, mysterious feel to it, but is also very slow-paced and even I have to admit that episodes 7-9 feel like treading water a bit. Then Season 2 corrects the pace issues (a bit too much) by speeding things way up, giving us a huge exposition-dump in the first episode, and generally making things more exciting and fast-moving; in the process, though, it kind of (though not entirely) loses that carefully cultivated thick atmosphere of dread and mystery which made Season 1 so enticing. S2 also seems to eschew the more naturalistic aesthetic of S1 for something increasingly frenetic, frantic, and baroque, with lots of wildly-color corrected dreams/visions of people with black eyeballs (such scenes in S1 were much less "fake"-looking). In other words, the horror element in S2 is more pronounced but also more gaudy and over-the-top. That episode with the mask-maker has just the right amount of everything, but elsewhere in the season a little restraint could've been used perhaps. So, like I said, it's a toss-up. I like both seasons equally for different reasons; Season 1 mostly for that thick atmosphere and for having some of the best epiodes, and Season 2 for the exciting propulsive pace where everything finally comes together, and a thrilling ending. Damn, I miss this show.

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My mistake - it was cut from 16 episodes to 12, but the principle's the same. They had to rush it.

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I liked them both, for different reasons.

Season 1 was a slow build-up to get to know everyone very intimately. Ben was mostly passive/reluctant, yet determined to figure out what his mission was.

Season 2 opened things up and stuff actually started happening. I don't feel it was rushed and at no point did I find relationships forced. It took me right through, perfectly believable.

I truly enjoyed this show.


"Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn."

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