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Review of the movie - Narcissistic dad


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This movie is about a narcissistic dad that allways exaggerated stuff and facts.

Good cinematography. Good actors. Good scenes. Thats all.

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Yes! The dad was a delusional, narcissistic *beep* from start to finish. He was never interested in anyone else's affairs but his own and took every opportunity to tell childish, self laudatory stories that paint him to be heroic. His son was practically begging his father to hear a genuine account of his life yet the son was denied. The father was so obsessed with forging this fantastic image of himself that he couldn't even show his true self to his son. He probably *beep* believed his own *beep* too.

Then at the end, it's apparently justified "well actually the stories have a basis on fact (OMG NO WAY?) and he's dead so the audience should be sad and suddenly realise the father was a great guy... and that the only reason he told those stories was so his memory would become 'immortal'. i.e. until the grandchildren turn 11 years old and call his *beep* How is this self aggrandizing, deceitful behaviour anything to be admired? If he just told the *beep* truth, his stories might be taken seriously, and even be impressive. Both the younger and older father were among the most unlikeable characters I have ever encountered in any film.

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Great post baja462!

"Then at the end, it's apparently justified "well actually the stories have a basis on fact (OMG NO WAY?) and he's dead so the audience should be sad and suddenly realise the father was a great guy... "
This is so true!!

"Both the younger and older father were among the most unlikeable characters I have ever encountered in any film."
I also dont like all the movie.

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Yeah, you're probably right.

So what kind of dad are you and did you have?

What hump?

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"they make us view life in a different way."

Can you explain this?

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OK I understand your point of view.

But dont you think that a father like this on real life will be really annoying?

Talking all the time about his stories?

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Good answer, we are now on a less distant position

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Seems to me that Ed is a salesman, used to taking small benefits of a product and making you think they are big benefits. He is used to holding your attention until he makes the sale. He is used to allowing you to speak only long enough to keep you interested in his sales pitch. Ed is selling his life story, taking small events and making them large events. He is selling himself, not in the sense of selling out, but making you like him. As in many sales pitches he overdoes it sometimes. One of the questions is who is Ed's customer, his son or himself?
The son rejects the sales pitch as a sham and a scam. The son is massively disappointed that his father is not a super hero and becomes convinced, therefore that he is a villain. This is a journey that most children take. He finds out that there are no absolutes, that not being the best in the universe doesn't mean you are the worst in the universe. He finds that his father is not a super hero, but not a charlatan. His father was a man, who sometimes succeeded, some times failed, was tempted and some times resisted temptation and sometimes maybe not, but he loved his wife and son, worked his butt off to provide a nice life for them. In the end his father needs his help, he realizes that he has to become the superhero and a bit of a charlatan, and that someday he will be on the other end of this kind of story, and some day he will need his own son's help, or at least respect. And part of the tension is whether he will realize in time, or realize too late what the right thing to do is. Because this is a movie it all works out, but in real life not always.
lou

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"Seems to me that Ed is a salesman, used to taking small benefits of a product and making you think they are big benefits. He is used to holding your attention until he makes the sale. "

Nice point of view... new perspective for me

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Comes from being a salesman, a son and a father, not necessarily in that order. Life does funny things to you.
L

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lwi101: I'm one of those people who love this movie from start to finish. I think that your interpretation is one of the best that I've ever read.

For those who have a very negative view of Ed as a "Narcissistic Dad" ~~~ I'd just like to add this thought: I probably viewed my own father in such a way when I was younger. He wasn't a salesman, but he was an executive who instinctively knew that being entertaining, congenial, and being able to tell a good story created a nice relationship with those who worked for him.

I admired him and his ability to "schmooze," and I must admit that I consciously patterned myself after him once I became an adult. It helped me to be a successful teacher, since being able to present information to children in an entertaining "story-telling" way is always more productive than just lecturing them with dry facts. Think about your best teachers from childhood: weren't they the ones who kept your attention because they had a unique way of presenting the material that you needed to learn?

Now that my Dad has passed away a couple of years ago, I have a very empty spot in my heart, so this movie speaks volumes to me.

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Thank You!
If you haven't already, see Salmon Fishing in the Yemen.

Lou

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Thank you for the suggestion. I haven't seen it, but I'll look for it!

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Best and most sensible words on this movie.

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I found your observations about the father in this film to be interesting. I loved this movie and related to it. I'm the one with the "Big Fish" tales in my family and I drive my daughter and husband completely crazy if they have to hear anything about my life and stories of what I went through years ago. I'm not narcissistic, so its easy for me to see that they feel as they do. My reaction is to shut up and not tell them anything about myself, if I can help it.

Was the father a narcissist or was the son simply unwilling to ever pay attention to his father or give him any credit for his interesting and unique adventures?

I grew up with a grandmother who was a cattleman's daughter from Texas. She rode with Belle Star as a young woman, began riding horses when she was 4, smoking cigarettes at 6, and was a real, live cowgirl. Her mother, a Native American, was a midwife in the early 1900s and would take my grandmother with her to birth the babies. Grandma had stories of her uncle who went out for wood and was found in the morning with an arrow in his back, her times living in South America when my grandfather was working for Standard Oil, her life during the Great Depression and life in Texas long ago. I found her endlessly fascinating. Even if she told me the same story 25 times, I wanted to hear every word that came out of her mouth because there were always little details I hadn't heard before. Hearing the stories again and again ingrained them into my memory. I adored her and I would visit whenever I could and soak up everything I could possibly remember. My cousins thought she was nothing but a boring old lady - and who wants to listen to some old lady carry on? To them she was just an old fool and not worthy of their time. She died an old, old woman and my cousins loved her, but they knew little about her life.

So now, you tell me - was my grandmother the narcissist? Or was it my cousins who were too busy and had such fascinating lives working at the DMV?

I thought the point was that the son found his father to be terribly annoying, because he thought his father was a big liar. The father was telling big fish stories. The son couldn't remember the adventures that were the basis for the stories, so he decided his father was a liar. In the end the son meets up with the characters from his father's stories and realizes he has been misjudging his father all along. This is a Tim Burton film, so the settings are really unusual and sometimes unbelievable in order to throw the viewer off. You aren't supposed to be sure whether the father is telling the truth or a big whopping fish story until the very end. And isn't that the way life is? We don't really know whether the tales we hear are true or imagined, accurate or embellished, because the story teller has a perception of reality and they are sharing their perceptions with the listener.

I know that every single story I've ever told my husband and daughter has been accurate and truthful. I let it go and I don't make an issue of it, but the truth is that every one of the things I tell them is true and they are insulting me when they question my sincerity. Another point of the film was that you had a very normal appearing son and a father who had these whopping tales. In the end you realize the father was being completely accurate and the son was lying to himself about his father and what he had done. The son's erroneous perception of the truth had colored, twisted and badly affected his relationship with his father. The son had put up an emotional wall that separated him from his father. The son had really been disrespectful to his father all along, thinking himself to the be the righteous one all of his life in relation to his father.

Most people don't want to look at reality. They drink, smoke pot, take drugs, gamble, have affairs, get plastic surgery, spend money, throw away people, and do a wide variety of things to avoid facing the truth about life and themselves. If someone stands above the crowd, the crowd wants to chop off his head. Most people will avoid reality at all costs and this is the third point to the film, in my opinion.

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Wow, what a post!


"I know that every single story I've ever told my husband and daughter has been accurate and truthful. I let it go and I don't make an issue of it, but the truth is that every one of the things I tell them is true and they are insulting me when they question my sincerity. Another point of the film was that you had a very normal appearing son and a father who had these whopping tales. In the end you realize the father was being completely accurate and the son was lying to himself about his father and what he had done. The son's erroneous perception of the truth had colored, twisted and badly affected his relationship with his father. The son had put up an emotional wall that separated him from his father. The son had really been disrespectful to his father all along, thinking himself to the be the righteous one all of his life in relation to his father. "

I dont know, Im not sure. Maybe I need to rewatch the movie one day. I think the father exaexaggerated all the stories and trying to talk about himself all the time is really a bad choice.

"Even if she told me the same story 25 times, I wanted to hear every word that came out of her mouth because there were always little details I hadn't heard before."

Maybe this is the point, you love to hear the stories... the man (the son) on the movie dont. But he was condemned to hear the same thing over and over again and even when the "star of the moment" must be ... him or another one and not the father.

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Most people don't want to look at reality. They drink, smoke pot, take drugs, gamble, have affairs, get plastic surgery, spend money, throw away people, and do a wide variety of things to avoid facing the truth about life and themselves. If someone stands above the crowd, the crowd wants to chop off his head. Most people will avoid reality at all costs and this is the third point to the film, in my opinion."

So true.

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I think we are in basic agreement. I do not think the father was narcissistic, but he did have a healthy ego. I think the "progression" is a normal one, from thinking you parents are gods, to thinking your parents are failures and frauds to realizing that your parents are people just like you. Sure the father exaggerated a little, but that's part of story telling. Some people certainly don't like their reality and engage is destructive behavior, but Reality can be overrated. A little fantasy, fiction and imagination can be fun and be an alternative. And many movies can be described as escapist.
I love:They Died with Their Boots On, despite it's only coincidental relation to reality. I hate Stone's JFK for its blatant rewriting of history. I suspect that says more about me than Walsh or Stone.

I don't think the son was bored with the stories, but believed they were lies, total fiction, and therefore believed his father was a liar. He finds that its not a lie but not the truth. To me its about the progression: hypothesis, anti thesis, synthesis or something like that.
L

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"I think the "progression" is a normal one, from thinking you parents are gods, to thinking your parents are failures and frauds to realizing that your parents are people just like you."

Nice point of view... to think about it.

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It is not about narcissism , his dad made stories more interesting by embellishing it. Admit it everyone makes modifications to true stories to make it more interesting .

Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies.

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Good cinematography. Good actors. Good scenes.
Awesome movie. I agree.

Thats all.
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I'm not a control freak, I just like things my way

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You miss something:

"Basically:

This movie is about a narcissistic dad that allways exaggerated stuff and facts.

Good cinematography. Good actors. Good scenes. Thats all."

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This movie is about a narcissistic dad that allways exaggerated stuff and facts.
Usually I've no need to comment on that which is a lunge towards the painfully obvious.





I'm not a control freak, I just like things my way

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Cool!

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I pity your lack of imaginative taste, OP.

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My father was a motherchucker! I'd take Ed Bloom any day.

I don't love her.. She kicked me in the face!!

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