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I don't completely understand the film. Could someone explain it to me.


Particularly I'm having trouble with the Angel's and the title's significance. As I see it, it has something to do with some American core tradition or something. Also, the whole part about God having left, what exactly they were trying to say with that. Something about the shape of a world in which AIDS exist, mayhaps. Maybe it's because I'm not American and not religious. Any help would be appreciated.

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Hey, black-eyed girl. Whatcha doin'?
-Alexander "Xander" Harris

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Your questions are too broad for me even to understand well what you want explained, but if you ask some more specific questions, I'm sure people here will be glad to answer them. I don't think you have to be either American or religious to understand the movie or the play, but I suppose it might help to know a little about both America and some religions, especially Mormonism and Judaism, to enjoy it. However, I think I can safely (if broadly) say that there isn't "some American core tradition" that you missed and need to know about to understand the play or the movie.

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It has nothing to do with any American core tradition. The play and film is about so many things. For me, it was about AIDS, loss of love, repression of one's sexuality, religion, being afraid(and fleeing like a coward)because of seeing the one you love deteriorate, its about the Reagan era American ideas and the disillusion of those ideas.Thats what I got from the series, of course I'm no expert. There is much more but I'm not the type to type paper thesis long posts. You don't have to be American to understand or enjoy the film.

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HIV arrives in force, ignorance and attitudes allow it to thrive, science and humanity take shape, disease becomes manageable.

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basically in a nutshell, the theme is that the earth has gotten so horrible that god has left heaven, and in order to bring him back, the angels ask prior walter to tell the world to basically "stop", but prior goes to heaven and tells them no, no matter how terrible the earth gets, we are going to keep pressing on and keep living, because the point of life is that no matter what is handed to you, you keep going and make the best out of it because you can't simply stop.

and this theme is centered around and accompanied by a social commentary on the state of america during the AIDS epidemic of the 1980's that touches on all of issues that posters have listed above.

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The "Angels" reference in the title is camp: that is to say, it is self-mocking and ironic. The word itself is not used in a sacred sense, but in the sense that you might say "You angel" when someone made you a cup of tea.

In the 1970s, the behaviour of male homosexuals was extremely outrageous. Major misbehaviour in private bath-houses by hordes of drug-deranged men caused revulsion in normal society.

When AIDS happened, there was a widespread feeling that male homosexuals had brought the disease on themselves with their outrages. This prejudice caused delays with the preparation of a remedy that was already going to be very difficult because of the disease's effect on the auto-immune system.


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The post above is so clearly an attempt to troll that it's not worth responding to.

I'd really like to know, however, when "angel" became a camp term! People in all segments of society use the term "angel" the same way they might say "baby" or "honey" - do people out there really think of it as a expression primarily used by drag queens? For some reason that amuses me.

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This film wasn't about gay guys who get AIDS and die but rather heterosexual men who aren't gay but like to play around with boys. You can look like a duck, and smell like a duck, but you aren't a duck.

I don't get the angels in the film - i fast-forward through those scenes because the dialogue is too contrived and goes nowhere.

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Identity is a complicated thing.

Assuming for the moment, we're talking about someone with the usual XX or XY chromosomes, and the usual body that comes with that:

If the person is attracted mainly to the same sex, is the person gay?
If the person has sex mainly with the same sex, is the person gay?
If the person claims to be gay, is the person gay?

(similar questions for bisexual and straight and I guess asexual)

I think most people understand sexual orientation to be about attraction, and use behaviour as a proxy for that, since we can't easily know the contents of someone's mind, but somewhat more often we can know where they put their genitals. Relying on people's statements about themselves tends not to be very effective in this subject area.

There are some heterosexuals who have sex with the same sex (and vice versa). I think most often they do it for money, lack of opposite sex partners, or for some other sexual dimension like power. They aren't choosing their partners based on attraction, but some other need.

But then there are the closet cases, and even today, that's a very crowded closet.

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As for the film, I think you misrepresent it. It was mainly about four gay men, two of whom (Walter, Cohn) get AIDS, and one of whom dies from it. Two (Pitt, Cohn) are closeted. Pitt says he is gay. Cohn says he's not gay, but makes it clear that his reason for saying that is because people who say they are gay become politically powerless. In other words, he's in the closet, not heterosexual.

I do agree with you on the angels. They seemed grafted onto the play as an afterthought, mostly to provoke and draw attention. It's the sort of self-indulgent nonsense that good editors are supposed to cut out.

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I don't get the angels in the film - i fast-forward through those scenes because the dialogue is too contrived and goes nowhere.


I didn't understand that either. Part Two with the angel was so confusing.

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First of all this play.. (or film) takes us back through tradition, to something strictly and culturally fundamentally American, i.e. Mormonism. Thus, we also have a conflict with the past throughout the film.
What is America sybolizes? What is the driving force of America (or any other people really)? It is progress, the need to progress no matter what. However with this progress, there is something missing, and it is missing some of its citizens in the midst of this corrupt political and media-social propaganda situation. So... back in the 50 the word homosexual was not even allowed to be played on the television, as a homosexual you were sidelined, which is why Roy Cohn cannot accept that, because then he will have no "clout"... with the AIDS epidemic or the pestilence of AIDS what we have is the inability for the mainstream culture to ignore the minority and to put them on the sidelines anymore, they become important and then as a result they must be granted the rights just as any other, thus they become Angels for that reasons, as Prior says that they are all prophets.

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Thanks Mr Ban Ban. That helps.

Like the OP, I'm bamboozled by the play, and feel like there are too many references I'm just not catching. I'm also not American, though I've lived there a couple of times, and have had friends who were fervent Mormons or Jews, two worldviews (if I may say that) where Angels figure prominently. So the metaphor or imagery of the Angels sits okay with me; but what they have to say is something else entirely! 

Anyway, I haven't seen it for a few years, and was interested in giving it another go. I'd just like to feel I can grasp more this time. Maybe I should find some kind of study guide?



You might very well think that. I couldn't possibly comment.

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The thread running through the film about God's abandonment goes to the central question of the existence of evil and suffering in the world and religions inability to explain , or relieve it. This can be summed up by the quotation from the ancient Greek philosopher, Epicurus:

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”

But you ARE Blanche ... and I AM.

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