And they were underwater & one of them was 70. They spent sooo much time trying to figure out how to carry all that gold out. Apparently they just needed Donald Sutherland. It spoils my enjoyment of a movie when the producers think I'm an idiot.
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wasn't just two men, it was the underwater submarine type device that carried the weight, and they weren't speeding away having to make various maneuvers which the cars had to.
shareYou also forget that underwater things are substantially lighter due to their displacement of water. Thus it may have only take two guys a submarine like skid to move the gold underwater, but on land one or two cars wouldn't have been able to handle the weight, even with the extra outfitting.
share"Things are only 'lighter' underwater" by an amount equal to the volume of water they displace, therefor a single gold bar of the size depicted in the show would have been 'lighter' by about the weight of a plastic cup of water.
Since gold is substantially heavier than lead I think that hoard of gold bars would have weighed not appreciably less under water than it would on dry land, for all intents and purposes.
I too wondered about the conveyance that was used by the diving safecrackers to move that gold. If it were to be easily propelled by two men swimming with flippers then it must have had a carefully calculated buoyancy to counter the weight of the expected load of bullion.
In that case what was it that prevented it from bobbing to the surface before being laden the way it was? For that matter, the buoyancy to counter a ton or so of gold (Let's say for the sake of argument the gold weighed a ton, 2000 imperial pounds though I believe they said it was more, along the order of 1200 lbs. for each of the three cars.), would have required tanks much larger than anything that could possibly have been on that conveyance device we saw, even if the tanks had a hard vacuum in them!
As above the tanks would have to have a capacity equal to what would be needed to contain a ton of water at around eight pounds per gallon, or tanks capable of holding 250 US gallons of water.
That would equal about six common 55 gallon drums.
Of course that water must be removed for the necessary underwater lift of the gold plus the weight of the conveyance itself. The device they used to float the gold away as they paddled their flippers had no such buoyancy devices attached. So how did it hold up all that gold?
It's something I just decided to suspend disbelief in order to allow the story to continue.
maybe, The device definately looked like it had some propelling on both sides. That, plus they were underwater, a little shoving from the "old guys" it wouldnt take much to move. and again I think the point was for them to have enough speed to get away/ not do to much damage to the cars. Remember they got the mini coopers to drive through steves house. they would have been running away from a lot more people/ needed more speed.. but he" brought" the gold to them.
shareYou ain't getting it yet. :)
Something propelling it on both sides or not, that gold weighed more than a ton. That underwater conveyance could not have had neutral buoyancy so as to glide through the water like that, unless it had tanks capable of displacing enough water with relatively 'weightless' air.
The lifting tanks would have to total the volume of at least half a dozen 55 gallon drums in order to lift and suspend that much gold off the bottom, in order for it to be driven or pushed anywhere at all, be it by propellers, fins, ropes or whatever.
Otherwise the weight would just sit there on the bottom where it landed.
This guy wins.
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"Anyone talking about how anything in this film is within the realm of possibilities loses."
Because you said so right? You had to call yourself a winner, the guy I quoted didn't. Notice the difference?
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Wow, one troll post later and you still haven't proven a single point. There is no google search in the world that will allow you to "win." Move along.
shareThe most thought-out comment on imdb. And $35 million worth of gold would weight 3 tons in 2003. They would not be able to drive with 1 ton in each mini.
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Gold is invariably much lighter on film and TV than in the real world. Ever notice how people in movies can carry a dozen 80-pound bars like they're twinkies?
By the same token, movie and TV handguns can fire unlimited rounds without reloading, two muscle cars can drag a 100-tom bank vault around Rio De Janerio without difficulty, or two people can escape and survive a 50-ton thermonuclear blast by swimming down an underground river without drowning...
What did you expect in a humorless third-rate remake of British comedy classic?
If the writing were any good, you wouldn't have to pre-emptively and consciously suspend belief.
Three men make up the underwater team: John (Donald Sutherland), Charlie (Mark Walberg) & Left Ear (Mos Def). So two younger guys & one, fit older guy. Additionally, we are shown nothing but the initial removal of the gold from the immediate vicinity of the initial caper. There could have been a boat, extra divers, wenches & the whole nine yards waiting a short distance away. Which makes sense, since they create the whole "the safe-gold went thattaway/look over there" diversion, in the first place. Whatever it was, it had to be well planned or Ed Norton's character would have been unable to pull off a precisely executed double-cross.
shareThree men? Three Herculeses? As above, the gold would have been virtually the same weight underwater as it would above, well over 2000 pounds (more like 3600 pounds as the script later stated) Three men cannot lift and carry over 1000 pounds apiece! The strongest of powerlifters can barely get that amount of weight off the ground in perfect form and with special knee and abdomen wraps, for mere seconds.
Regardless, they didn't lift anything in the scene. The conveyance carrying the gold simply drifted along on its propulsion system, in neutral buoyancy.
To do this in reality and carrying a weight of 3600 pounds, it would have needed several very large buoyancy chambers big enough to equal the volume of 3600 pounds of water, and evacuated of such water, and there were no such buoyancy chambers on it.
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