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This is (not was) NOT a good 'Fantastic Four-movie'!


OK, would people stop making titles SO stupid I have to make counter-titles to them? I don't like doing that.

Now, I have read quite a lot of the Fantastic Four comics, this movie doesn't come close to battling with Galactus and being in Secret Wars and fighting Ultron and Dr. Doom - I mean, the COMIC version of Dr. Doom is a really scary, cool, insane and egomaniacal villain, the movie versions do not deserve to use that name.

This movie doesn't take us to the negative zone, it doesn't time travel, it doesn't have crazy 'evolution' stories (I blame Byrne for these)..

Also, the powers are changed in a weird way - instead of temperamental Johnny and his firepowers, we have 'cool Samuel Jackson' and his ice powers, which are more boring and weak. I do like Dash's and Elastigirl's powers, but making the husband a 'dumb muscle guy' instead of 'super intelligent stretchy scientist' is a low blow - men must always be seen as stupider as women in movies, right? Sigh.

violet as an emo kid is not as interesting as Susan, and the situations they end up with 'infrared vision' robots and villains are not interesting. There's no Baxter building with Herbie or other interesting robots, etc.

(I won't even mention Beyonder, and how interesting he could've been)

The most important difference, however, is that this movie doesn't have enough 'superhero action'. The end fight is pretty chaotic and lame compared to what the comics show us. There's only one, boring villain, and he doesn't even have superpowers.

The only really 'good' (in that kind of sense) part of this movie is when the family finally starts fighting together, after what feels like two hours of boring family drama (yawn). Seriously, who wants family soap opera in their action or kids' movies?

The problem here is, it lasts about three seconds. WHY, oh why, couldn't we have more of THAT? Couldn't there be a ten-minute, epic fight, where the family learns to fight AS A TEAM, the way Fantastic Four always does in their best fights in the comics? THAT would've made this a good FF-movie.

Just having MORE of that fight scene would've instantly improved and elevated this movie to a level even Beyonder could barely grasp (ok, I guess I did mention him).

I don't understand why most of this movie is basically 'Bond-sneaking' or 'monologging' or 'family soap opera' or or or .. but never enough actual, proper action. Couldn't we have had three minutes of that 'family fights as a team' scene? No frozone, no big robot, no lots of bystanders, just the jungle and the heavily armed goons with their flying things, and maybe some proper villain to egg them on and to act as a 'level boss' for their fight.

But no, they just throw people around a bit, SHOWING WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE, and the nit abruptly and instantly ends. What the.. WHY?

A GOOD FF-movie would AT LEAST have one, long, good fight scene with an interesting villain!

OK, maybe Dr. Doom doesn't have superpowers, either, technically, but his armor suit is so complex and interesting, it almost is a superpowers, and his megalomaniacal insanity makes up for it, plus he is more charismatic and menacing than this goofy carrot-looking, weirdly walking douche, whose goal is to.. sell merch? What?

In any case, this is still a good movie, of course, but after all I have seen, this is not a good 'Fantastic Four-movie'.

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Excellent analysis and criticism. Looking forward to your script for the next sequel.

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Yeah. Brad Bird is holding his breath.

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It was never mean to be a "Fantastic Four" movie.

I saw some "behind the scenes" stuff, and the writers said the powers were sort of based on the members of a supposedly typical American family. Dad is strong, Mom bends herself out of shape being all things to all family members, awkward teenager wants to disappear, little boy is hyperactive. Any resemblance to the Fantastic Four is coincidental, especially as it's actually a five-person family.

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The Fantastic Four were also a five-person family after little Franklin was born. A child whose power is greater than all the older members...

"Coincidental," lol

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I pride myself on not knowing too much about the Fantastic Four!

Seriously, though, th I s wasn't meant to be a F4 movie.

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