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Walter Hudson's diameter should have been about 37.878 inches, or 3.1565 feet, and Dale's should have been somewhat less.
But fat is very flexible and rearranges itself when someone changes position.
If Dale had an elliptical body when lying down, with a horizontal width of 4.5 feet (54 inches) and a circumference between 80 and 130 inches (6.666666 to 10.83333 feet) his possible vertical dimension when lying down would be 80 to 130 inches, minus 54 inches times 2, and then divided by 2. It would be 80 to 130 inches, minus 108 inches, divided by two. That would give Dale a vertical dimension when lying down of about minus 14 inches to plus 11 inches.
Having a vertical dimension of 11 inches when lying down would be possible for a man. But combining that with Dale being 4.5 feet wide when lying down that would require him to have a total waist size of 130 inches, 11 inches more than the largest waist ever recorded, belonging to a man weighing 393 pounds more than Dale. That seems a little implausible.
I forget whether Dale said he was 4.5 feet wide or 5.5 feet wide, which would be even more implausible for a man weighing "only" 804 pounds.
Anyway, Dale could not possibly have a round cross section through his widest part and be either 4.5 or 5.5 feet in diameter. That would give him a circumference of 14.137 to 17.278 feet and he would probably weigh two or three times as much as the heaviest man ever. Dale should have been lying to conceal that he could move or be moved through the doors.
The police should have no problem getting Dale out of the apartment. Simply strap him to the bed with many straps, and have a bunch of strong men turn the bed vertical, and push and pull it out the door. And Dale's evil henchmen could have done the same to get him out of his room and into a truck which could have transported him close enough to the victim's house for him to enter it if he was not totally bedridden.
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Stratego (30534)
5 years ago
Google "800 lbs" and "bedridden" and see for yourself how plausible it is. When a man can't even walk more than 10 steps at 900 lbs, it's quite a leap to conclude he can go over to someone else's house and murder them at 800 lbs. I also don't get why you assume everybody has the same waist size.
So you think Dale the Whale is going to fake being completely immobile and stay in bed for 11 years just so he can have an alibi for murder somewhere in the future??? There is no reason for him to lie about that, the authorities knew all about him.
"And Dale's evil henchmen could have done the same to get him out of his room and into a truck which could have transported him close enough to the victim's house for him to enter it if he was not totally bedridden."
Why all that trouble if he has evil henchmen who can do it for him anyway???
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MAGolding (1228)
5 years ago
Yes he did have evil henchmen do the crime for him.
But a witness said they saw someone as fat as Dale walking around and committing the crime. When there is a paradox and contradiction between two alleged facts one has to examine both alleged facts to see if one of them is not accurate and correct.
The two possible facts that might not be correct are that Dale was the only possible murderer and that Dale could not possibly have left his room to commit the murder.
So the police should have suspected:
1. That some other very fat but more mobile man committed the murder, perhaps for his own motives or perhaps at Dale's instigation.
2. That someone wore a fat suit to impersonate Dale while murdering the judge.
3. That Dale was more mobile than he claimed to be and thus could have been moved to the murder scene and been active enough to commit the murder and then be brought back to his apartment.
The police don't have a fact checking department that checks out every single fact that is reported about every single resident of the city. They don't know for certain that Dale was bedridden. For all that they knew Dale could have been bedridden for years and then dieted and exercised for years to get back into shape so he could walk enough to murder the judge.
So the police shouldn't have just accepted the claim that Dale was bedridden, especially not if he lied to them by saying he was five and half feet wide and thus couldn't fit through the doors of his apartment.
The important dimension when trying to get an object through doors is its thinnest dimension. And there is no possible way that a man weighing "only" 804 pounds could have a thinnest dimension that was 4.5 or 5.5 feet thick.
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Stratego (30534)
5 years ago
"They don't know for certain that Dale was bedridden. For all that they knew Dale could have been bedridden for years and then dieted and exercised for years to get back into shape so he could walk enough to murder the judge"
Now that theory is just absurd. You simply don't get it. This is a 45 minute show. When the doctor said he would testify that Dale was bedridden and wasn't able to leave the house, Monk knew that it was true. Now they could've spent the next half hour trying to prove he really was bedridden, but that's just not interesting.
"So the police shouldn't have just accepted the claim that Dale was bedridden, especially not if he lied to them by saying he was five and half feet wide and thus couldn't fit through the doors of his apartment."
Again you don't get it. They had a huge piece of evidence with the eyewitness account of the victim herself. The thing is, if they took it to court, they would have to prove Dale was physically capable of doing the crime. Dale knew they wouldn't be able to do so because he is in fact 800 lbs and bedridden, that's why he concocted this plan. If he was lying, like you say, he would've committed the murder himself.
"And there is no possible way that a man weighing "only" 804 pounds could have a thinnest dimension that was 4.5 or 5.5 feet thick."
You're basing your calculations on your own bodytype, I'm not just going to accept that. But even if you were right, it just means the writers have no clue about obesity. It turns out that Dale actually IS bedridden, so your point is moot.
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MAGolding (1228)
3 years ago
Here is a link to the Guinnes World Records record for the heavest pair of twins:
https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/heaviest-twins
In November 1978 they weighed 337 kilograms (743 pounds) and 328 kilograms (723 pounds). And they are sitting on motor cycles in the photograph. So they should have been at least a tiny bit mobile while weighing about 7/8 as much as Dale the Whale.
so the writers could have looked up them and other weight records in the Guinnes Book of World Records, And the detectives in the episode could have looked them up. Thus putting in a line that police doctors agree that Dale is immobile and couldn't get out of bed would have made the imposible crime seem more impossible.
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Stratego (30534)
3 years ago
As mentioned before, you don't have to be the heaviest person in the world to be bedridden. And those guys could definitely not do what the killer did on this show. But I'm not going to revive a boring ass nonsense discussion from 3 years ago. You can just read back what I already told you back then:
" But even if you were right, it just means the writers have no clue about obesity. It turns out that Dale actually IS bedridden, so your point is moot."
"When the doctor said he would testify that Dale was bedridden and wasn't able to leave the house, Monk knew that it was true. Now they could've spent the next half hour trying to prove he really was bedridden, but that's just not interesting."
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