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Unwad your panties, guys

posted 11 years ago by curious_chaos
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I cannot believe the message boards for this movie. The Dreamers is a stunningly beautiful movie. I thought it was great and I enjoyed it very much.

There is a post on here that tells anyone who liked this movie that they should go jump into a lake of urine or eat their grandmother's feces. The juxtaposition of that is astonishing. He tells us to swim in excrement or digest it because we enjoyed a film that had sex in it? Who says that?!?! A moron does!!!

We are all products of sex. You were created because your parents *beep* (there are exceptions, like artificial insemination, for all you dummies who like to pick at details and send threads off on bizarrely off-subject tangents). Sex is a completely natural thing. Everyone does it eventually (once again, there are exceptions like nuns or priests or prudes or whatnot). But to eat my grandma's poop? That's a pretty harsh thing to say. My my, I'm sure your parents are proud of the child they created (by *beep* I may add) who has a mouth like that. Did you learn to tell people that while throwing away the key to your chastity belt?

Gah. I'm really annoyed at this. Sex isn't something to be ashamed of. At all. I don't mean that everyone needs to go out and watch a porno, but more people definitely need to become more comfortable with sexuality. It's part of life. Seriously, seriously, RELAX.

This movie is not garbage, by the way. It is written so well, the acting is superb, and the cinematography is some of the most beautiful I've ever seen. The music is great, the scenery is great, and the story is captivating. 3 young adults get swept up in the romantic freedom of the bohemian european 60s. It's passion.

I don't think it's fair to condemn a film purely because you couldn't handle the sex. Seriously. Grow up. Or go neuter yourself. Either way, keep your immature and disgusting opinions to yourself before you say something that makes you look like a complete a**hole. Oh wait.... You already did.

[–] lifes_music 11 years ago

I cannot wait to watch this movie.

[–] eddieinportland 11 years ago

It's a good movie. It shows how all three of them were messed up and a product of the time. The dream was broken and lost forever when the rock was tossed throw the window.

[–] Quicksilver1900 11 years ago

Yes, it is a beautiful film, and yes, the portrayal of sex is intrinsic to the story. I don't think the film would have suffered at all, however, if the sex was less explicit.

[–] garreed22 11 years ago

I agree that it would/could have been the same if the sex was toned down. But I don't think that the level of sexuality was anything to get all upset about. It's just sex, and it's just nudity. Nobody has something that nobody has seen before. I don't get why some folks get their feathers so rustled over that kind of content. The Dreamers was definitely erotic but I wouldn't call it pornographic... There were no shots of penetration and the nudity wasn't shot distastefully. I just don't get how people get so angry about sex when those same people happily sit through films where people are brutally killed and violently exploited and they don't bat an eye, yet they damn films that have sex in it. I think violence is much more unnatural and upsetting that watching two people go at it in bed. Rape is different of course but The Dreamers is adament in telling us it's about love. I think people are very unfair to this movie.

[–] Mathias001 11 years ago

I feel the same way garreed22. I really don't know what is wrong with our society today. People get all upset over a movie like this one and yet the gore fests and "torture porn" garbage that is being churned out barely gets anything above an "Oh, okay."

I'd rather watch movies like The Dreamers than garbage like Saw, Hostel etc.

Long live the 70's!

[–] m-slovak79 11 years ago

The Dreamers is a stunningly beautiful movie. I thought it was great and I enjoyed it very much.

to me it's pretty damn dull/weird and basically boring overall and boring is the polar opposite of interesting/entertaining which is the #1 area a movie must succeed. but i did finish the movie at least unlike the only other movie i have seen from this director which is The Conformist (1970)(3/10 MAX) as that i only made it 1hr 5min into it before i could not take it any longer and turned it off.

i give The Dreamers (2003) a 4/10 MAX as it's failure at the end of the day. i would assume at this point i would be best off avoiding any other movies from this director.

p.s. the best thing Eva Green appeared in is still easily... Casino Royale (2006) (8.5-9/10) and for Michael Pitt it would be Boardwalk Empire(8/10).

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[–] curious_chaos 11 years ago

Yeah, if you didn't like this one, I would avoid Bertolucci from now on. His movies are not for everyone :) His masterpiece is 1972s Last Tango in Paris, which is loved by many and hated by many more ha ha ha

I'm afraid I disagree with you-- I didn't think The Dreamers was boring at all. There were a few parts that were a little
uncomfortable (sitting in the bathtub with menstrual blood in the water was... odd) but I didn't think it was ever boring. I gave this 9/10 and I truly think it deserves it. Oh well. To each their own :)

[–] Quicksilver1900 11 years ago

There is a big difference between seeing this film on DVD and seeing it in the cinema, same as with any Bertolucci film.

You really do not get to appreciate it on a small screen.

I also think that he captured the era perfectly, and if you didn't live through that time as a teen or adult, you wouldn't see that.

[–] lazarillo 11 years ago

The irony is having a Devil's threesome with Eva Green and Louis Garrel (or Eva Green and Michael Pitt) would no doubt be much LESS disgusting than having to have regular sex with the average IMDB user's surely much less attractive significant other.

Movies actually make sex much more appealing than it is real life (especially when you get older), yet you'd think these prudes that call movies like this "filthy" or "disgusting" were vestial virgins.

Besides, when it comes to sex scenes people can't see the forest for the trees. This is really a movie about being a young cinephile in Paris in 1968. Sex is just a part of the whole tapestry.

[–] killerdominos 11 years ago

I love independent and art house films but this is one of the most dull pretentious pieces of *beep* I've ever watched. It wasn't beautiful or thought provoking to me in anyway whatsoever.

[–] curious_chaos 10 years ago

Well I'm sorry you didn't like it... Opinions are always different. I didn't think it was boring at all, but I could see how it could be seen as pretentious. (I don't think it is, either but hey, that's just me). Are there any other erotic romance dramas you care for? If you didn't care for this story or style, what do you like?

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[–] Diss 10 years ago

I liked the sex in the movie, it was great. The incest, no. Your argument says we are a product of sex, true. But I'm not a product of incest. I was hopeful she would ditch her brother after going out on the dates.

I do like how the film portrays supporters of communism as out of touch kids who won't ever grow up.

[–] curious_chaos 10 years ago

Well, I wouldn't quite call the relationship between Isabelle and Theo "incestuous". I mean, technically it could be seen textually as incest but the root of their sibling relationship was a bond at the soul. They said it themselves "one soul, two bodies" or something to that effect. They didn't really have sex with each other.

Sleeping naked together is definitely uncouth and is not considered normal even today, but they were not sexually involved. Isabelle had never been penetrated before Michael made love to her, so other than being extremely close to each other, more than most, they were just siblings who truly felt at one with another.

I hope I made sense. I really just don't think that incestuous is quite the word to describe the pair. Unnaturally close sexually, perhaps?

Incest is the perfect word to use in another Bertolucci film called La Luna. That was most definitely incest between mother and son in that particular flick.

[–] Quicksilver1900 10 years ago

If I am not mistaken, Isabelle and Théo do have sex in the book.

[–] curious_chaos 10 years ago

I see that you are right. Gotta love the internet! That's really interesting... I knew there was a book that the film was based on, but I didn't know the circumstances the book was written for. Apparently the writer, Gilbert Adair, wrote the story, originally called The Holy Innocents, then Bertolucci expressed interest in filming the story, and then Adair rewrote the story and retitled it The Dreamsrs after/during the film was into production. That's so fascinating!

But, yes, to your point, I guess Isabelle and Theo are incestuous in the book. I knew Theo and Michael were sexually involved in the book, and in early drafts of the film, but I didn't know that Theo and Isabelle actually were supposed to be incestuous. Hmmm. Interesting. Hey thanks for correcting me! I never would have known! I'm going to have to read the novel. It seems like quite an experience!

Although I still think the relationship I described above in my previous post is accurate as far as the film goes,... Incest isn't exactly the word to use, though it does come to mind.

[–] srinath_r_htanirs 10 years ago

It is one of the greatest movies I've ever seen. It was profound - We probably dream of idealism (the ideals are different for each one of us), and the movie went on to draw disjointed, if not clear lines between reality and dreams in each of Sex, Cinema, Love and Politics. The twins were pretty much together in all their opinions and their ideals were the same.

We all have our ideals, we could shut ourselves from the world, dream of every aspect of life (the movie touched upon aspects like sex, cinema and others as mentioned above) and live in denial of the reality. Or we could face reality and move towards it (like what Matthew did in the end).