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Were the visitors even physical? Benevolent Solaris?


The points made for the visitors being physical are that our human characters are able to touch them. I am unsure of what to think, here are my thoughts.

I'm inclined to believe that Solaris is one huge sentient organism and probably has some kind of psychic abilities which it would employ against the annoying aliens orbiting it in a spacecraft.

Could the visitors be an illusion created by Solaris after reading the minds of the humans. The brains of the humans could have be stimulated into believing that they were capable of touching the visitors.

However, why were the humans able to see each others' visitors, is it a shared delusion?

If the visitors were not physical, what was the point of having Rheya kill herself and resurrect, also, the other crew members have seen resurrections before too.

And, what was the point of having visitor-snow around?

If visitor-snow was not physical, he would not have been able to chuck real snow in the ceiling.

Or, real snow is mentally weak and made to believe that he was visitor-snow, and the dead snow is the visitor-snow.

Regardless, Solaris' intention was probably to get the humans to leave.
Perhaps Solaris was compassionate in some way, choosing to somehow convince the humans to leave.
It succeeded in getting Gordon to leave.
As for Clooney, Solaris might have chosen to give him one last good dream before he plummeted to death in the space station.

In this case, if the Snow left on the station with Clooney was a visitor, he probably stopped functioning (?) as his purpose was done. Maybe he even felt bliss at returning to his creator if he was capable of thought. That's one way to explain his "O" face at the end.

If the Snow left on the station with Clooney was the real Snow, which I think is improbable by now, he could have been subjected to some happy last dream like Clooney, which also explains the "O" face.

Wish we got to see if Gordon made it back to Earth, would she be treated as a Crackpot or survivor of a perilous first encounter...

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Well, this is brought up in the movie and addressed much further in the book. They're physical beings composed of different subatomic structures than humans. In the book, they're comprised of neutrinos, which Kelvin and the crew discover after studying blood samples under a very high powered microscope. In the movie, they're comprised of a Higgs Boson field. In both the book and movie, a machine is used to disassemble these subatomic substrates and destroy the visitors.

Anyway, long story short, they're not hallucinations. The movie is pretty hard to follow unless you're reaaally paying attention or understand the novel upon which it was based. They don't make it easy for the audience to grasp everything that's going on.

Additionally, the novel is largely about the failure of humans and Solaris to communicate. Dozens of hypotheses are forwarded about why this is so, but there doesn't seem to be much indication that Solaris wants people to leave. There's even some reason to believe that the "visitors" are actually gifts from Solaris, since they are so meaningful to each of the scientists' memories. Alternatively, it seemed Solaris could read what is a meaningful thought or memory, but could distinguish the actual meaning of those thoughts. The concepts of love, hate, despair, happiness, may be too foreign to Solaris.

As for the visitors themselves, they are newborn humans with implanted memories. They themselves don't really know what's going on, and their actual function to Solaris is left unknown. Again, if we knew what their function was, we would be able to establish a better understanding of how or what Solaris is communicating with humanity, and we just don't.
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I think you answered you're own question. They are physical, but as Gordon stresses they aren't human.🐭

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solaris early attempt at trying to communicate. If it wanted to get the message right it should have materialized some aliens lol.

The increase in human knowledge is the cause of the decline of religions.

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They are physical, but as Gordon stresses they aren't human.

But maybe that's part of the deeper mystery that the film was trying to address-what EXACTLY does it mean to be human? Is a human being merely the collection of carbon-based bio-chemical reactions? Or is there more to us than that? What makes us feel that the "visitors" were any less human than the crew? 


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