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Why is this movie rated 'R' in the US?! ...and opinion.


Saw the film in the UK recently, rated PG, for some 'coming-of-age' themes and I'm presuming the one short shot of Tara Fitzgerald nude. Although they could have pulled off the feeling without this shot, I understand its effect. This film is clearly aimed at a teenage and older audience, and there were many in the audience I viewed the film with, most of whom I think could understand the notion of Fitzgerald's character and her... art.

My point is, this film should not suffer an R rating in the US because of this one shot -- the distributor/ratings board once again adhering to double standards for women (you don't see her bottom half, only her breasts). I've seen much *much* more graphic things in shot and context in many PG-13 movies lately! TPTB are thereby bypassing the exact audience the film would work best for, and is indeed aimed at, I believe.

Saw the film myself and loved it, and really appreciated that the ending is not predictable, but yet offers hope. This is a film teens need to see to tell them that everything is not dark and disheveled in this world. I have been already following Ramola Garai, whom I think will be around for a long, long time. Good actress, great in the film. See her also in Daniel Derronda, stellar performance for a 21 year-old.

Though can someone explain to me the implications of the title itself? I'm not familiar with the book.

Yours,
JM

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So it is rated G in Canada? Thank goodness! I'm underage, and I went to a screening of it and loved it. I'm really glad I can take all my friends now. As for the title, I read the book, and don't really understand how the title ties in either. My best guess is that Cassandra is 'capturing' the castle and it's occupants in her diary. The book is entirely from her perspective.

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Jack,

I agree completely with all your remarks. Saw the movie last night and found it completely charming, wonderfully cast (especially Garai and Fitzgerald), also think the R rating is ludicrous for such a sweet, gentle movie. No strong language, sex, or violence at all, and many PG-13 movies have plenty of all 3.

Just a note about your final question. In the wonderful opening scene of the book, in which Cassandra is sitting in the sink & writing in her journal, she meticulously describes everyone around her in the kitchen and what everything looks like, and says that she is teaching herself to be a novelist and is determined to "capture all our characters and put in conversations." As she describes their life and the castle in great detail, I'm pretty sure she says that she's writing it all down to also "capture the castle" (as well as the family), though I can't find that excerpt right now.

The book is wonderful, and the movie is very true to the details of it.

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Sorry to remind you, but there was a little violence. I can't understand Canada giving it a 'G'. I'd give it PG. It's sad that so many Americans are so afraid of nudity.

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Nudity is dumb, but about Canadian ratings- they rate very weakly here, unfortunately.

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It's rated G in Canada too! What were they thinking?

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When I saw this recently in Canada, it was rated PG, not G. (R seems a bit much, especially, as many said here, many PG-13's have much worse content.)

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It was just a case of the MPAA being dumb and giving out randomish ratings. Austin Powers 2 (I think its 2) has nudity in it plus swearing, violence, crude humor, ext, and that is only PG-13. Going by that I think this movie should only be PG, but no, they gave it R. The MPAA is fairly hard on sex scenes comapred to other ratings boards, but there usually not this hard. TITANIC also has nudity in it, and a sex scene, thats PG-13. So I don't get it.

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but more than that, this film is really quite understated and quiet, not insulting or confronting at all! because shouldnt that be the point of ratings, to make an 'informed' decision as to whether you expose yourself to certain things? and if movies like mean girls and austin powers only get PG13 ratings but icapture the castle gets an R, i think there is something wrong with this picture...
here in australia it was only rated PG, generally meaning that it is suitable for anyone beneath the age of fifteen, and i thought that the nudity in question wasnt crass or over the top... o_O

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Here's a good example of how us Americans are being censored.


http://www.tnmc.org/batcave/0701031.shtml



"Movies like [Victor] Vargas, Better [Luck] Tommorrow or Billy Elliot get R ratings that prevent them from being seen by teens and kids, the very people these movies are about. Why? Simply put, they feature swearing and/or drug use and thus are viewed as inappropriate to younger viewers. Never mind the fact that these films might be useful for kids to see. Billy Elliot was an uplifting film of a child in a poor working class family who fights through social conventions to become a ballet dancer.
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Meanwhile, a film like 2 Fast 2 Furious, which shows people engaging in outrageously dangerous driving, gets a PG-13 rating. Charlies Angels: Full Throttle, a film loaded with sexual innuendo gets a PG-13. One of the all time offenders was Coyote Ugly, a PG-13 rated film that contained images of young women dancing on a bar and pouring drinks on themselves. That was a movie that encouraged such dubious behavior in young girls. If I had a daughter, I wouldn't let her anywhere near that movie. Examples like these seem to indicate the ratings board is more concerned with specific details than context. Billy Elliot does contain countless exclamations of "*beep*" but Coyote Ugly has no nudity and just a hint of swearing, so the two get the rating the other deserved."

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it is discusting what the ratings for movies are. i hate america sometimes, they give bad, sex filled movies like austin powers a pg-13 rating, yet they give this movie an r-rating for one brief image of a nude woman! please, if i had a kid, id take her to i capture the castle, i dont care how old she is! the censors are teaching women to be ashamed of showing, or veiwing their bodies.

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As a former movie theater owner, I am more than puzzeled by the ratings and the fact that some religious groups will NOT see an R such as, Like Water for Chocolate or Speed, but will increase the grosses of films full of innuendos and violence.

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The movie Spice World got a PG rating for Brief Nudity and this gets a R rating for the same reason IMO the MPAA is screwed up

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Americas ratings are screwed. I swear, everything is R there. Everything. I empathise. Thank god i don't live there. Meh.

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Better Luck Tomorrow didn't just have swearing and drug use. It also had violence and Ariadne Shaffer's muff.

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American movie industry is owned by filthy rich liberals, who are mentally unstable and hence the randomness in their movie ratings, LOL.

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dwasserm, have you watched many American films? Far from being "afraid of nudity" Americans are obsessed with it. Do you really claim to be ignorant of how much gratuitous nudity is used in American filmmaking? Take a look through some video stores sometime. There is no shortage of sex and nudity in American cinema. If some groups of people do not want to see it and it is rated one way or another, we must accomodate them as much as anyone else. They have every right to want to NOT see that sort of stuff as much as some people would like to see MORE of it. I personally do not like gratuitous nudity because it makes women into decorations instead of people. It's almost always women who are nude in film and the nudity is used to get young men to the theatre. I don't like my sex used as amarketing ploy, that's my beef with the whole thing. To say that Americans are "afraid" of nudity is ridiculous and stereotypical.

Some people could walk around naked all day long but to you, if they don't want to see people in film or TV doing it, they're labelled as "afraid." What a crock. I don't see why some people are so condemning of any viewpoint but their own, that if they are comfortable with violence, sex and nudity that everyone else has to be as well.

On top of that, something I bet you don't know because you are grossly ignorant of America -- the MPAA is not handing out laws. Ratings are SUGGESTED. The filmmakers are not obligated to go by them or have their films rated at all. Perhaps what you need to do is stop complaining about ratings and start telling filmmakers to shun the rating system if they don't want their stuff rated. The power of choice is in the filmmaker's hands.




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that's your opinion

but Airplane had gratuitous breasts for no reason what so ever than to be gratuitous and that movie got a PG rating.

of course that was in the '70s. maybe we weren't such a prudish country.

this country is extremely confused about nudity.

the super bowl thing shouldn't have been on because of everything else in the dance, not the breast.

the success of porn and all the gratuitous nudity in movies is because it is such a taboo in this country.

nudity in a lot of american movies is not art. it is used to get young men into the theatre.

in the world I grew up in violence is much more dangerous than breasts.

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But nudity isn't bad as long as its tasteful. I really don't see why it would have been rated R at all. There are plenty other movies with things much worse and they can get off with a PG rating. And what about all of the other forms of art which involve nudity like sculpting and painting? You don't see art galleries and museums being restricted.

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I couln't believe this film was rated R. Stupidest thing ever-- Titanic was worse than this, and was rated PG-13. I think the American system of rating films is really inconsistent. This movie was very well done, and good movie that a lot of people I know could learn a lot from, but are prevented by the stupid rating.

Was that a plane?

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Just so everyone knows, the rule the MPAA uses is: One breast alone, PG-13, two breasts together, R. Thus Titanic, which carefully displayed only one breast at a time, is PG-13 and I Capture the Castle which made the mistake of letting two breast sit side by side (as God intended them) is rated R. I imagine that specific rules such as these allow the MPAA board to make decisions that are not based on personal bias. With violence I think it's more complicated. Because of rules like these we can clearly understand that film-ratings should be studied in context. I am personally what is called a "sensitive viewer" and see very few R films. But there's a whole lot of PG films I won't watch either.

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Interesting, Duane-7. I'd never heard the one breast-two breast rule.
With the MPAA, you do have to wonder if the fix is not in; if they're not just using their role in the industry to continue the promotion of crap films to the lowest common denominator. Otherwise how can professional censors give the destructive, demeaning images of, say, Coyote Ugly a less severe rating than Capture with its simple brief topless scene? Perhaps the MPAA has a vested financial interest in, along with enriching certain studios, the prevailing images of women as imagined by pubescent American males (the state of development in which so many Hollywood producers/directors seem to be arrested).

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LMAO Nice try, Duane, but Titanic PAINFULLY OBVIOUSLY showed two breasts at the same time. Good grief, there are two breasts all the freakin time without an R rating.

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I'm from Portugal, where the film was rated M/12 which is kind of mid-way between PG and PG-13. I simply cannot understand Americans, or rather the MPAA's hangover with nudity - even where no sex is actually present. Even if it was... It feels such a natural thing that audiences can relate to in Real Life. But then, lots of films filled with violence get PG-13 ratings there, don't they. And some rated R for violence(not sex)over there would get here the equivalent of X. Yes, there are exceptions.
But aren't the US encouraging a pop culture of sex as a dirty thing and violence as perfectly acceptable. Or did society get there first and Hollywood just follow the trend?

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It's ridiculous isn't it?! Here in Australia also some ratings are very wrong. Sex usually gets 15+ or 18+ ratings and is far more restricted than violence and even murder (not just cartoon murder) which can get by with a G and PG rating. It's crazy - the vast majority of people in the world will have sex, but only tiny minority of people witness or commit murder! Therefore, sex is natural, murder is not, and sex should not be as highly banned as murder! (Neither should nudity.)

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Well I do believe it is right in principle to shield underage children from any and all media nudity using a rating system. In light of that, I think the R rating for this movie is appropriate. I don't know why people fail to see this simple point clearly.


Old john wayne westerns have violence in them - should they be R rated? They are not innapropriate for children. National geographic has nudity in it. Should it be top shelf stuff? Come on.

Mild nudity is ok for kids, just like mild violence.

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Maybe the fact that in the 70's there was no such thing as PG-13? and R was effectively X, or NC-17. Take Big for instance. It has the F word in it and it's only PG as well.

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As a former movie theater owner, I am more than puzzeled by the ratings and the fact that some religious groups will NOT see an R such as, Like Water for Chocolate or Speed, but will increase the grosses of films full of innuendos and violence.


And this is what it all boils down to. The majority of Americans are "god-fearing Christains". And one of the most evil images in the Christian faith is a naked woman. It even goes all the way back to the 1930's, when all movie scripts that were about to be produced had to be sent to the church and approved by Christian readers.

Actually, since I have my American Cinema book on hand, I'm going to go ahead and list a few of the "Don'ts" and "Be Carefuls" of the 1930's Production Code:

1. Pointed profanity - by either title or lip - this includes words "God," "Lord," "Jesus," "Christ" (unless used reverently in connection with proper religious ceremonies), "hell," "damn," "Gawd," and every other profane and vulgar expression, however it may by be spelled.

2. Any licentious or suggestive nudity - in fact or in silhouette; and any lecherous or licentious notice therof by other chracters in the picture.

4. Any inference of sex perversion.

6. Miscegenation (sex relationships between the white and black races).

7. Sex hygiene and venereal diseases.

8. Scenes of actual childbirth - in fact or in silhouette.

9. Children's sex organs.

10. Ridicule of the clergy.


Although I only really agree with #9, this is to point out that 6 of the 11 rules are about sex. Sex was clearly the biggest no-no back then. And this list hasn't changed much when it comes to rating movies.


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"The majority of Americans are God-fearing Christians".



....C.S. Wood, have you ever BEEN to America? If not, then your statement can be attributed to horrific arrogance in ignorance. If you have, and especially if you live there, I can only assume you are either both legally deaf AND blind, or pitifully unobservant.



Yes, America is a "Christian" nation; however, your statement was grossly incorrect. Some thought before posting such bigoted, generalizing, biased, and rediculous things would be appreciated by the wider internet community.



By the way, I completely agree about the rediculousness of rating... the simple (and yes, EXTREMELY humorous! "..it was just my stepmother communing with nature...")presence of (so I've heard) very brief and very non-sensual nudity is about five hundred times less "inappropriate" than many things I've seen on PG-13 movies.

I actually haven't seen the movie (unfortunately! The book is one of my favorites)... hopefully I'll be able to find it somewhere soon!

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....C.S. Wood, have you ever BEEN to America? If not, then your statement can be attributed to horrific arrogance in ignorance. If you have, and especially if you live there, I can only assume you are either both legally deaf AND blind, or pitifully unobservant.


Now that's not called for. Yes, I'm an American and have been all my life, which is why I said what I said. Yes, there are lots of other religions in this country and there are plenty of open-minded Christians out there, but God-fearing Christians do make up the majority, otherwise there would be the chance of a Jewish president being elected or gay marriage being legal in the southern states. Passion of the Christ, dude. When's the last time a subtitled movie made that much money in the states? (plus, the ratings board went easy on it since it was about Jesus).

Even race wise, the majority of whites, blacks, mexicans, and perhaps even asians are into Jesus. That guy is huge in this country.

Yes, America is a "Christian" nation; however, your statement was grossly incorrect. Some thought before posting such bigoted, generalizing, biased, and rediculous things would be appreciated by the wider internet community.


I re-read my post and I still stand by it. I don't see how I was being bigoted (generalizing? maybe, but not disrespectful). I just told it how I saw it. If Bush wasn't so tight with the Christian nation he'd have been booted out by now (or not even have made it in the first place).

"Action is how men express romance on film." -- Kurt Wimmer

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i am quoting the back of the book, but it says "at the end of the tale, Cassandra has not only captured the castle by matering her own thoughts and feelings, but has capture the hearts of the reader." Something like that.

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I agree that it was kind of a silly rating, but if you don't live in the US, why complain? No skin off your back, it has nothing to do with you.

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