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So Gale basically committed......


....suicide. He knew he would get caught. Knew he would get the death penalty. Knew he would die. What is the point of this movie??!! It's so stupid.

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It definitely illustrated the fanatical beliefs people hold and how unbelievably far they'll go to make their point.

That's one thing I found interesting about it - they had to deliberately frame Gale, and get his lawyer in on it to be SURE he would be unjustly sentenced to death.

If anything, it almost comes across as pro-death penalty...look at the lengths at which they went to prove it was a flawed system; they basically had to cheat.

Weird.

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Mr. morgan_mourning,
nail hit on the head.

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"... they had to deliberately frame Gable, and get his lawyer in on it to be SURE he would be "unjustly" sentenced to death. If anything(?), it almost comes across as pro-death penalty ...

Let's see. You say he was deliberately framed and then unjustly sentenced to death and you find this suggests a pro-death penalty attitude - the execution of one not guilty of a capital crime? What an interesting (mis)use of my language.


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It is now and you are here. All else is merely a belief.

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They had to cheat the system to get him sentenced to death. They planted all sorts of evidence and he went along with it; that's the only reason he got the death sentence. If it had been anyone else in that situation, he wouldn't have been complacent in his own death and the outcome would have most likely been far different.



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Let's see. You say he was deliberately framed and then unjustly sentenced to death and you find this suggests a pro-death penalty attitude - the execution of one not guilty of a capital crime?


But he was guilty. He did kill her. The system did work. The movie is pointless.

"All this machine does is swim, and eat, and make little sharks." -- Matt Hooper, JAWS

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He didn't kill her. She killed herself. Did you watch the movie?

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I agree. Their whole point was that innocent people could possibly be executed but every step of the way they had to with hold the truth to purposely get Gale executed instead of using the way the system is set up to help REVEAL truth. Total wasted point.

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Why would they not hold the truth? That's what the perpetrators do. It's the job of the system to find out the truth and apparently they weren't able, thus proving that the system is flawed.

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David Gale intentionally did not say that she committed suicide and that there was a video tape showing the suicide. The story might be a case against capital punishment but it is a very weak case. The convicted person intentionally withheld critical evidence. The system did not work because the person convicted did not allow it to work.

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It is normal for guilty people to intentionally withhold critical evidence that would prove their guilt but it is not normal for innocent people to intentionally withhold critical evidence that would prove their innocence.

Oooops, sorry for posting a second time. It was a mistake. I guess I will leave both however.

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Gale was murdered because the death penalty is flawed and wrong.

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He may have been murdered but it wasn't by the Death Penalty, or its advocates. He was set up, had evidence planted, and much more evidence covered up by people who knew better. Each and every one of them is culpable, but not the system that is designed to default to "innocent" at every step of the procedure, from indictment to the multiple appeals. If ANY of that information had come to light earlier, he would have been cut loose with the court's apologies (and lawyers looking to sue everyone involved), and those who were guilty of trying to get him killed via an elaborate "suicide by cop" would have ended up in jail instead.

And David Gale himself had to be willing to go along with the process, from start to finish. This is not the same as (say) standing in front of a battle tank as a form of protest, but him trying to argue "we fooled the system so thoroughly that they killed me, and I was innocent". If he were so innocent, he should have released this information after the first DP sentence came out, and used that fact -- "innocent people can get convicted" -- as an argument against the policy, not waited until it was too late to do anything about it.

But the death penalty, as a process, is not to blame. If you choose to believe otherwise, that is your right, but don't use a fictional portrayal as fact to bolster your argument. Deliberately subverting a process only speaks as to the wrongness of the subversion, not the normal operation.

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I think it is at least questionable if the system actually does presume innocence, let alone at every step in the procedure. The appeals in particular can be very tempted to defer to the initial trial, thinking that the defendant already had his chance to present his best case and lost with the jury unless there was flagrant wrongdoing by the prosecutors.

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You're just not very bright, are you?

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You obviously don't understand the movie at all

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They like it better than no thing.

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The movie is intentionally unclear and unrealistic. It is not a strong case for anything important unless you think it is important to show Laura Linney naked.

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Duh. It's called being a martyr for his cause.

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He explained it pretty clear during his philosophy lecture, he even mentioned self-sacrifice literally. Anyway, there were $500000 points he made for his loved ones.

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One more point is that Gale thought of death as the ultimate redemption to be away from the problems of life and death is not a bad thing after all-- as he talks to Constine before the sex part. So this justifies a bit on him considering death an option which we the normal people thing to be a grave thing to consider

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