Okay I just finished Sandworms of Dune the final book and wanted to know other people's thoughts.
My thoughts below (beware of SPOILERS):
Okay the ending had Duncan as the final Kwisatz haderach. I did not care for that. I'm not much of a Duncan fan. I got into Dune because of Paul and Leto II. In the later books, I like Miles Teg, Sheena, and Murbella, but Duncan bugged me. I didn't like the fact that they kept bringing him back. It's if you were to read the Harry Potter books and somewhere around five or six they spend more time on Ron or Neville. In hunters and sandworms they bring back Paul and Leto and I wish they could have spent more time on them.
My second probably is that they didn't really say if the Golden Path was fulfilled. In fact they made it seem like Leto shouldn't have gone through the golden path at all. Also it didn't help that they rambled on in the last two books to get to this disappointed conclusion. I guess to me the series ends at God Emperor or Children(My favorite). The last four books are like the Star Wars Book after Jedi. Some are nice, but I don't take much stock in them.
Anyway for those of who are still reading this, give me your thoughts
I can't say as to why they would bring Duncan back, unless its because usually he never does get a proper lifetime (ie, a life with the love of his life. In GEoD, Siona doesn't count), until with Murbella. Didn't mind Duncan being the KH. It made sense in a way, I mean if something wasn't up, they wouldn't have continuously brought him back.
I mean he was always seen as the most human of the Atreides men. Besides, he was the unplanned KH, the one that no one saw the possibility of being the KH (Leto was never a KH in my opinion, only Paul before him was), made the final book interesting, slightly, for all the Matrix Revolution-like trait of man-machine symbiosis.
Humanity continuing to exist was the Golden Path. Humanity continued. The Golden Path was being fulfilled.
Personally, I could have lived without bringing the gholas of long dead figures. Especially what happened to Leto, you'd think that he gave up enough the first time around, but apparently not. That Leto underwent through the transformation was necessary, but the second self sacrifice was worthy of hair-pulling.
To be frank and with a probably, unpopular opinion, I could have lived without seeing Paul again, too. I never particularly cared for his character nor his relationship with Chani, other than for moving the story along, but it was so boring, and to suffer their soppiness was wearing.
With the end of GEoD, Leto was gone, and Hunters and Chapterhouse were all about going beyond the known empire and beyond a singular existence under the precients, divergent paths and all that, and to bring the gholas in, it almost cheapened the story, imo.
Duncan was the point almost from the beginning FH used him in each story as measurement fo humanities evolution as he remains constant each incarnation from the next, at least until Heritcs and that really just brought all the Duncans together.
If you are wondering what FH intended for the last book I highly recommend reading the Dune Encyclopedia first chance you get to get an idea how much the prequels and sequels diverged from what he no doubt intended; it is out of print and likely to remain so for the foreseeable future. But it is readily available on most file-sharing programs; even a P2P rookie could probably get a .pdf copy in a few hours.
I can say that the Dune Encyclopedia's accounts of the history recounted in KJA's and the ingrate son's books has more entertainment value in a few dozen pages for those specific entries than the two upstarts managed in six shoddy prequels, and their statement of the canon statue of the DE certainly conflicts with Frank Herbert's statements on the first page:
Here is a rich background (and foreground) for the Dune Chronicles, including scholarly bypaths and amusing sidelights. Some of the contributions are sure to arouse controversy, based as they are on questionable sources. Others round out long speculation. Specialists have had their field day here with problems geological, biological, astronomical, and mystical, with pronunciations, major biographies, histories and accounts of little-known figures. The range of topics is catholic: cf. from games for amusement to games of life and death (Cheops or Pyramid Chess to "The Assassins' Handbook.")
The history of the Financial Synod which spawned CHOAM gets its first airing in these pages. In fact, many secrets hidden in the Dune Chronicles are answered here.
How did Irulan first gain and then arouse the displeasure of Ghanima? Who was Jehanne Butler and why does the Butlerian Johand carry her name? What are the hidden origins of the Spacing Guild? Where did spice-trance navigational techniques develop? What was Leto II's private opinion of Holy Sister Quintinius Violet Chenoeh? Does Cheops have something in common with the three-body problem?
I must confess that I found it fascinating to re-enter here some of the sources on which the Chronicles are built. As the first "dune fan," I give this encyclopedia my delighted approval, although I hold my own counsel on some of the issues still to be explored as the Chronicles unfold.
So all of this talk about the prequels and sequels being based on Frank Herbert's notes is obviously nonsense; Take, for example, this excerpt describing tactics used in the Butlerian Jihad used by the crusaders against their "enemies:"
For example, consider Transcom, a trading corporation lasting for almost seven thousand years: the all-but-overwhelming amounts of data processed in split seconds during hyperspatial travel led Transcom to direct irs ships from a central computer bank, Centrans, located on an artificial satellite, Xenophon. As a ship entered hyperspace, its destination vwas transmitted to Centrans via Holtzman Waves. During the ship's progress to pre-designated points en route, Centrans processed the information and prepared course corrections. When the ship reached the first "mail drop," it reentered normal space and received course updates from Centrans. The computer-bank simultaneously handled routing for Transcom's more-than-twelve-thousand ships; during its long history, various mercantile associations subscribed to Transcom's service- the Van Rijn combine, Asconel, Far Traveler Couriers, and many others. With a clear perception of the indispensibility of the communications satellites, the crusaders of the Jihad struck early at Xenophon and similar establishments. The result was immediate and final: the utter collapse of regular interstellar trade. Had Transcom(and companies like it) not been destroyed by the Jihad, there would have been no transportation vacuum for the Spacing Guild to fill.
Hmmmm... you mean the human race wasn't trying to free itself from giant robots, but was instead embarking on a crusade against billions of innocent people in a clear parallel to Paul's Jihad? For Frank Herbert to say what he said in the introduction while he sat on notes detailing a Butlerian Jihad and other such events that are far different from what his son and KJA crapped out makes no sense. In fact, by telling such a bald-faced lie, KJA and Brian Herbert are in fact branding Frank Herbert as such.
Frankly, if I was the writer of the Peter Berg's upcoming "Dune" movie, I would sneak in as many little snipes against the prequels as possible: show a portrait of Duke Leto's father on Caladan that clearly says "Minotauros Atreides" rather than Paulus. Have Gurney Halleck talk about how Duke Leto freed him personally in a raid on a slave market on Giedi Prime. Have Duncan Idaho refer to Caladan as his homeworld. The one thing that surprised me was that Mohian is indeed Jessica's mother, but of course the circumstances are far different and has nothing to do with the Baron being immensely fat.
The Dune Encyclopedia is written as an in-universe historical document; it was published in 15540 AG, which is sometime before "Heretics" and "Chapterhouse", and there is a subsection under Paul Atreides entry arguing that he had to have been a Fremen and could not possibly have been born of a Great House (for many reasons- the Fremen wouldn't follow an off-worlder being one of them) and arguments for the history we know to be true.
It makes me wonder if the old man and woman from the end of "Chapterhouse" were actually aliens (they sure as *beep* weren't "Omnius" and "Erasmus" as no such concepts existed in the DE; there were no Terminator-esque robots, giant insectoid robots, no cymeks, etc. The butlerian Jihad was described as being fought against people who used machines rather than machines themselves), because of an entry detailing the Crompton Ruins, which were found on the planet Crompton which at that point the Guild believed no human had ever set foot on. Humanity thought it had finally found proof of alien life in the universe, and it details for a bit the reactions to (it was later discovered to be constructed by Leto II, the God Emperor)the site and how humanity thought for a time it was not alone (and it mentions that detailed protocols were in place in case of alien contact). It makes me wonder if he was trying to set up something with that. But we'll never know, as the two pretenders have likely wiped their asses with Frank Herbert's real notes.
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It makes me wonder if the old man and woman from the end of "Chapterhouse" were actually aliens
For me, it makes no doubt that the old man and woman at the end of "Chapterhouse" are Frank and Bev Herbert themselves, looking from the "other side" at the caracters they created (bios of Frank Herbert points the fact she was probably invovled in the creation process of the Dune novels). Add this to the fact Frank Herbert probably knew in 1986 he wouldn't have the time to write another Dune novel, and it was a perfect way to end the saga...
I felt that the last two books had potential, but it seemed like Anderson and Herbert, when it came time to reveal who the old man and woman were couldn't come up with anything else but Erasmus and Ominius. The whole thing felt contrived and forced. They never even discuss these characters after the revelation either, until the end. It almost makes me think they just settled for bringing those characters back as the ultimate Enemy
I thought the best part of the book was Leto II, but at the pivotal moment after he has regained his memories (well-written section) he just 'disappears'?
Plus, Duncan being a KH. Okay, but the ultimate KH? More than Paul or Leto with other memory? I disagree
What about the Golden Path with people being freed from being seen with prescience (Siona factor) as well as no longer capable of being under a despotic ruler?
Seaworms,other Gholas,insignificant. Too much of a matrix ending as well
"At the end of life, we will be judged by love" ST John of the Cross
My opinion: you shouldn't have read them. Plain and simple. KJA's a hack who gloms onto other peoples' work and tries to remake it in his image. BH is well-intentioned, but he's no Frank.
I read the three "origin" books that supposedly featured the beginnings of the Atreides, Harkkonen, Guild, Tleilax, Gesserit and Sukh Doctors all at the same time and I have to say that they were terrible. Reading it felt like I was reading another franchise grafted onto Dune with Dune terms and names thrown in.