Did Bundy deserve the death penalty?
i'm in two minds about this... i just dunno...i just think underneath, he may have been a good guy.
sharei'm in two minds about this... i just dunno...i just think underneath, he may have been a good guy.
sharei believe in the death penalty in theory. and in theory it should be saved for the worst criminals. ted bundy fits this bill. probably not most of the roughly hundred or so people killed every year via capital punishment. but it's subjective i guess.
share...hmmm, did anyone ever think that maybe Ted knew what he was doing the whole time? That just maybe he knew that he lived in a state that had the death penalty and that when he killed the women that he was pretty much asking the state to put him out of his insane misery. If you dont like the death penalty or are planning on mass murder, here is a tip.
MOVE OUT OF A STATE THAT HAS THE DEATH PENALTY!!!
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I understand what you mean, it sucks to kill people but........
in some countries they cut off people's hands for stealing. How many times does that have to happen (publicly) before little or no people steal? Same rules apply for murder. It is the babying of these people that makes it easy to kill in this country. They get cable, 3 hot meals, and a nice bed to sleep on. so what are they afraid of, a long drawn out court process? There are plenty of homeless people in the world who dont have anywhere near that kind of pampering. If you dont set examples for people they will do whatever they want without any consequences, and if you think putting an insane person in prison for life is punishment, i cannot agree. it seems that they wouldnt care either way, as all that does is increase the amount of 'free time' they have.
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I like the way you think. =)
You have a good point. It seems that the rest of the people (and I am including myself) have been trying to force their opinion on everyone else. The fact is that it is just that, an opinion. You can either agree or disagree and dammit when a good point is made, you have to admit it.
I totally agree with you Pumpkin-Jones.
I do believe in capital punishment but I also know that the judicial system is flawed and that it is very probable that a lot of innocent people have been executed because of this flawed system. But I am also sure that a lot of guilty people have been executed as well. My personal opinion is that execution should be reserved for special cases like that of Bundy. Bundy was a monster plain and simple. He was a true Psychopath/Sociopath devoid of a conscience. He himself admitted that he didn't feel guilty. From what I can make out a psychopath/sociopath is incabable of feeling guilt for their actions, in they're minds the rest of the world can go get *beep* as long as the psycho in question gets what they desire. It is this trait that seperates the true psychopath from the common murderer and it is also why in my mind they cannot be cured or reformed. In my opinion psychopaths are born with a kind of trigger, they start out being sociopaths and then for some reason, (be it parental abuse, pornography or whatever) something snaps. I'd just like to point out here that I am not saying that abused people or pornography consumers (I am one of those and I'm proud of it!) are destined to become psychopaths but that sometimes it can be a trigger that turns that sociopath into a psychopath.
Somebody before mentioned the case of the two boys that brutally tortured and killed the two year old. That is a very interesting case to use in this debate.
I have followed this case since it came about. Now those two boys have been let out supposedly reformed (it makes me uncomfortable to think that maybe my taxes have gone towards giving a new life to these criminals), according to the reports of the therapist who worked with them, according to the reports, one of these boys actually seems reformed, (because he felt guilt?), but the other just seemed to be faking that he is reformed. now here's the problem, who in God's name let out the faker???!! I mean if the head psychologist himself did not believe that that one boy had reformed, why in Hell did they let him out?? Because the system is flawed. My opinion is that one of those boys is a true psychopath (the faker) while the other also has/had some psychological problem, I believe he was more along for the ride, possibly manipulated by the psychopath.
And this is where we come to one of the most famous traits of a Psychopath, their almost innate ability to manipulate. Many of the worlds most famous serial killers have been described as seeming such nice, friendly even, extremely atractive people. This I think comes from their lack of conscience, because they don't care about the consequences of their actions, this is a lot of times confused with confidence, and confidence in one's actions is extremely atractive to most people. Add this to their almost supernatural ability to manipulate the people around them and you've got someone quite capable of getting anybody body to do anything including help them to murder or at least turn a blind eye to it.
Okay I am sure that my opinion is just gonna throw more fuel onto the flames of this, once a debate now mostly a name slinging argument.
But this is a subject that has always fascinated me and I have always tried to keep myself well informed, I am sorry if I have some facts wrong, I have not officially studied this subject,(eg at university), as I seriously would have liked to, but I am self taught, studying indepth anything I can get my hands on: text books, media reports and documentarys, that have anything to do with this fascinating subject.
I also apologise for my lengthy comment and if you find it unstructured, all of a sudden everyone seems to be trying to get in touch with me and I'm losing my train of thought. Hopefully I can come back later and continue as there are a couple more points I'd like to address.
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They should have killed him the first time they captured him. This sort of persons are very dangerous even when they are locked up. This monster called bundy escaped 2 times before he got what he deserved. He WAS NOT a good guy, he was sadistic pervers, who didn't care about the other people. I personaly think that he got away too easy.
shareI guess it's just human nature to want to kill people like bundy, but it would have been possible to rehabilitate him, with the only problem being that no-one would go for that when he can just be fried instead. Plus it isn't really right for humans to decide who get's to die. They should just give people a life sentence for things like these.
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shareTed Bundy got what he deserved and anyone who says different is a bleeding-heart liberal *beep* who will one day be on the bleeding end of some serial killers blade.
*beep* up thing is they'll probably be the first to apologize to the killer for getting their nice shiny blade all bloody.
So liberals will be the victims of serial killers? Sure. Whatever you want.
About the Death Penalty: I'd like to quote Cesare Beccaria about this subject:
"it seems to me absurd that the laws , which are an expression of the public will, which detest and punish homicide, should themselves commit it, and that to deter citizens from murder they order a public one"
"It is not the intenseness of the pain that has the greatest effect on the mind, but its continuance; for our sensibility is more easily and more powerfully affected by weak but repeated impressions, than by a violent but momentary impulse. The power of habit is universal over every sensible being. As it is by that we learn to speak, to walk, and to satisfy our necessities, so the ideas of morality are stamped on our minds by repeated impression. The death of a criminal is a terrible but momentary spectacle, and therefore a less efficacious method of deterring others than the continued example of a man deprived of his liberty, condemned, as a beast of burden, to repair, by his labour, the injury he has done to society".
And people said before that because Bundy escaped twice, he should be killed. I don't think that's a good reason for murder, but a good reason for improving prisons. He shouldn't have been able to escape in the first place!
Ted Bundy got what he deserved and anyone who says different is a bleeding-heart liberal *beep* who will one day be on the bleeding end of some serial killers blade
You idiot. I'm against captial punishment, how is someone being pro cap. punishment somehow 'immune' to someone on the street coming up to you and killing YOU?
NO ONE on this earth has the right to take another's life.
"If she's got an opening, I've got a stiff proposition."
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you idiot, how can u say he got wat he deserved and then say ur against waT HE GOT????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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"Ted Bundy got what he deserved and anyone who says different is a bleeding-heart liberal *beep* who will one day be on the bleeding end of some serial killers blade.
*beep* up thing is they'll probably be the first to apologize to the killer for getting their nice shiny blade all bloody."
You are an idiot. I'm a liberal and I don't feel one bit sorry for him.
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freyovsvart - if you directed your comment at me, forget calling me ignorant; concentrate on the fact that you're an idiot - I'm female, for one. Two, I didn't even EXIST when Bundy was on his 'spree'.
There are two types of killer...one's who do it, for the sake of it, and then, there are those who are DAMAGED.
(Again, not excusing them for what they did - NOT AT ALL). The problem begins at home...you've got idiots raising children and it snowballs. Plus, if they're born with 'it' in them (have a read of a few books on the matter) - all of it spells disaster.
"If she's got an opening, I've got a stiff proposition."
—Gene Simmons
TheBat_Man - excellent post.
"If she's got an opening, I've got a stiff proposition."
—Gene Simmons
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i've read the whole thread. i'm wondering about the victims. hardly anyone at all mentioned the victims. these were people just like you and me. they had all the same experiences as all of us. a first kiss, first day of school, christmas, first car, families that loved them, fun moments, embarassing moments, everything you and i have. an actual life. bundy took that life into the woods, bound it, and verbally explained how he was going to rape it, kill it, and leave it. to me, there really isn't anything worse. the dormitory killings were horrific, but the women he killed in the woods were the most terrifying. because he wasn't rushed, and he spent time with these people. i don't think there is a god, simply because these things happen. i think religion is a man made device and really is of no help. as far as the death penalty in general is concerned, i think he deserved it. locking people up in prison doesn't deter crime, just as the death penalty doesn't deter capital crimes. that argument is flawed by the fact that you should let all prisoners free if the system doesn't deter crime. if taking a life is the most horrible punishment, which i think it is, why not have it as a punishment for the most horrible crime. victims of these crimes were citizens of this land just like us. i would want my killer caught, tried , and killed. i pay taxes, vote, and approve of the system we have. if there were some alternative, i would like to hear about it. in regard to the quote posted about the death penalty, i don't see why it is the governmnets place to teach citizens a lesson. the government i vote in is an extension of myself. if the majority of people in a certain state want this penalty, it is their right by being the majority and voting their mind. as far innocents on death row are concerned, i don't see how this is the fault of the death penalty. that is a court problem for putting an innocent on death row. drunk drivers kill innocent people all the time but we dont outlaw drinking. we dont take all the cars away because an innocent may die. if transportation is an acceptable risk, i dont see why capital punishment isn't. in essence, merely existing in any environment poses the risk of dying merely because it is inevitable. prisons are not places to redeem yourself, but instead to inflict punishment for a crime. to take freedom and liberty from someone is a severe punishment which we save for severe crimes. the less severe the crime, the less you stay. the marijuana argument posted earlier has no credibility because drugs are illegal. that is the law of the land for now. if you commit crimes, you always know there is the chance you get caught and sent to jail. serial killers know that if they get caught they could be put to death. so dosen't this blantant disregard for their own well being in favor of committing horrible crimes to satisfy perverted sexual urges deem that they be subjected to the standing laws of the land?
shareyea i think he deserved the death penalty simply because he chose to kill innocent people....why not choose to kill somebody guilty of murder? he killed these people, people like you or me, people that could not fight back, people that may not be innocent of all 'sin' but who did not deserve to die like animals. yea maybe he was not in the right state of mind but i think his death will give his victims families some piece of mind, to know he will not breath again or laugh again or smile again to know that no matter what he will never see the outside of the prison again and most of all he will never live to kill again. in most cases i dont agree with the death penalty but in certain extreme cases i do and this is one of those extreme cases!!!!
sharei doubt anyone on this post is saying tht every person who does something wrong deserves death... ted bundy was a necrophiliac, sexual predator and murderer.. he was sick and did indeed deserve death.
share#1. Cops don't have the legal right to shoot to kill if there is no immediate threat.
#2. CRAWLING IN YOUR SKIN MUCH about religion?
#3. Whine, whine. "We need revenge!" To translate your posts, you're essentially asking for vengeance. Get over it. Are you going to be happier to have him killed?
Hello people. First of all I believe that you dont have to be mad or have a mental condition to kill people. There is a type of person that enjoys the domination of killing someone. Mr Bundy was that type of person. He absolutely loved killing. As for whether he deserved to be given the death penalty? well he couldnt live among society. But who are we to judge. Ask all the mothers who lost there daughters. They never had a choice as to whether their children lived. I believe that they should get the option to have the murderer die!!!
shareBundy definitely deserved the death penalty!!!!! He killed sooo many women for the sake of killing in the movie when hes scared and has to be dragged to the chair at first i felt sorry for him becoz he's like a scared little child but then you think back and he was the cause of the death of soo many women and destroyed families in the process! He was a sick perverted killer!
shareif it was one of your children who was murdered in her bed by bundy, would you forgive him and fight to keep him alive, no. as a society we act on a whole and after reading about what he did, that bastard deserved to fry
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i think its another ted bundy in the making.... a good man... what a joke
shareDo us all a favor and refrain from such retarded comments. I doubt he's going to become the "next Ted Bundy". You make it seem like he was in support of what he did.
Anyway, clearly, the death penalty has ceased to be punishment, and has essentially become retribution and revenge. If the death penalty didn't accomplish revenge, then I doubt as many people would support it. You people don't mention any advantages other than you feel that revenge has been sought.
Tell me - why are YOU any better than Bundy?
He: Found pleasure in the death of women
You: Find pleasure in his death
So, you do the exact same thing, except that you're finding pleasure in the death of a villain, of which is legal.
So, am I to believe that if Ted Bundy tortured and killed people like him, would you say the same? Doubt it. You would treat him like a hero, because he killed all of the bad people.
So, I would call you the next Ted Bundies. Kudos.
This is the most ridiculous thing that I've ever read in my entire life. Does anyone else realize that this thread has been going on for 9 months? Children have been concieved and born in the time that you have been arguing over this.
Zeldalttp: Obviously you like to get a rise out of people. On the other hand you could just be a really angry person who likes to take it out on strangers over the internet. I understand that you firmly believe that the death penalty is wrong. I also believe that it is wrong. But I have a question for you. Is the death penalty the only form of killing that you are against? You bring up God a lot and I was always taught in religious classes that if you believe that the death penalty is wrong then you also shouldn't believe in abortion or euthanasia because those are other forms of humans taking the lives of others. You can choose to answer this or not. I really only posted it to make you think about it. I will most likely not be back to this thread as I have noticed that you tend to insult anyone who tries to talk to you.
While I've stated that I do believe that the death penelty is wrong I am not opposed to listening and taking into consideration the many good points that have been brought up in this discussion by calm and clear people.
I can understand that people are passsionate about both sides of this issue but at least find an intelligent place to debate it. One where swearing and anger are kept out. One where points are actually made and those involved are not just talking in circles for the sake of insulting each other.
I do not believe in abortion, but I disagree more so with the illegalization of it. Abortion is not used as revenge, it is a tool to ensure that people are not harmed by the fetus.
As for euthanasia, it's not murder. It's condoned by the person dying, because they are in pain and do not want to live.
I heard he got saved as a Christian before he died, and maybe went to Heaven because he got a new start.
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I guess anyone can change but christian or not he still deserved the death penalty
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he shouldnt have been excuted, he should have been put through the process though, when he was brought down that hall and strapped in that chair, he knew fear, he knew what all those women felt, he should have been shocked for one minute as opposed to two and he should have been thrown back in his cell to rot and have the process repeated 25 times for every persons life he took all the while unsure whether he'd actually live through it this time then he should have been given the rest of his years so he could have time to comprehend the fear that all those women felt until he eventually died in whatever way his body deemed fit
shareI thougt one of the most disturbing scenes in the film was the execution scene.we don't have death penalty in Britain any more so i am not really in a position to say if it is right or not
its mother,she just goes a little mad sometimes
well this is for tammy way at the top. he killed the girls because he fell in love with a girl, and became obsessed with her, and she dumped him and she resembled all of the girls he killed, because in his heart he hated her.
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He got back with her when he was "handsome" and they decided to get married, but for sweet revenge he dumped her. (I don't know if that story is all the way up there, i didn't read all of it
I think the story was basically correct but i am sure some liberties were taken for more dramatic story line
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I suppose I shouldn't really get a say in this because I'm British and in all honestly there is a lot I dont understand about American culture with regards to the death penalty, but personally my take on it is:
- I dont see how anyone could be pro-life and pro-death penalty. If you can excuse taking a human life in one circustance then you cant suddenly turn around and disagree with taking it in another. Obviously with the exception of murder, and by murder I mean what EVERYONE would agree is murder, I know some people feel abortion and/or the death penalty is murder, that is an individual moral judgement we all make, I'm refering to the current legal definition of murder. Though I'm sure we could argue just as much about that definition!
- I'm a psychologist so I feel confident in saying porn almost certainly did not make Ted Bundy kill. Certain people have predispositions to mental health problems such as sociopathy, porn may certainly have triggered this vulnerability but it did not and could never create it. The idea that the media has direct influence over our thoughts/actions is an out dated and an empirically disproved one.
- I can understand the stance some have taken that he deserved to die however I still do not agree with the death penalty. In Britain we have not had it for decades and we have not all turned into a bunch of murderers. Personally I dont feel it acts as a deterant, and if it doesnt work as a deterant then I can not see the justification. Perhaps if there was some fool-proof way of knowing who was definately guilty and definately innocent I might feel differently, but that isn't the case, and the risk of killing an innocent person, no matter how small, destroys any possible moral justification. If we follow some peoples train of thought (and I'm being deliberatly extreme here I know, but it merely illustrates a point) someone 'commits' murder, you kill them, its then found to be a miscarrage of justice, do you then kill the executioner, the judge, the jury? there's an innocent family who have been robbed of their child/parent/spouse. My point is where do you draw the line?
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It happened in 1989, get over it,
there is no way to get him back now
Once you take the life of another person it becomes addictive. Ted would never have stopped he would of escape from prison and killed more and more people. With him being dead we don't have to worry about him taking another life we just have to wait for the next notorious serial killer to do that.
shareI'm not really for the death penalty, but Ted Bundy had to be killed. He had already proven that he could escape and kill again, so the risk of that happening again simply couldn't be taken. If he didn't deserve the death penalty, who does?
share"If he didn't deserve the death penalty, who does?"
Nobody does!
When a dog mauls a child, the owner has it put to sleep. When a tiger breaks loose from the circus and kills someone, the owner puts it down, it's a defect. Why are people any different? If you have a human being that rapes a child and kills 3 other people, damn, you better shoot that thing now. Now, granted Hannibal Lector in the movies has a benefit to society because of his intelligence, plus he's flat out insane. Ted Bundy could function like everyone else, he wasn't crazy in the way of an insane asylum, he knew what he did. They should have tried him and put a .22 bullet right through his forehead.
shareTed Bundy was so manipulative that if he had not been given the death penalty I am almost certain he would have killed again. I do not agree with the death penalty in so far as it is not always 100% certain that the person is guilty, but in this situation I believe he had to be executed. For the sake of the victims family and for humanity itself. Evil is laced throughout the world, but if it can be contained (in prisons) then that is what will have to be done. he deserved to die for what he did- there was no other way to stop him from killing people. He escaped prison more than once and so he would have done it again. There was really nothing else that could have been done.
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