Off topic but...


Anyone have any favorites out of the books? Obviously this thread is really only applicable to those who have read them, or at least more than just a few.

I'll amend my list later when I've had more time to review the list of them all, but some standouts off the top of my head are (in no particular order):

The Rubber Band
Some Buried Caesar
Death of a Doxy
The Red Box

And all of the ones with Arnold Zeck (And Be a Villain, The Second Confession, In the Best of Families) - the funny thing is that they were not favorites because of Zeck per se, I just happened to like all three a lot.

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Great topic Saiga!

Some Buried Caesar is number one for me, followed by The Doorbell Rang and after that probably:
The Black Mountain
If Death Ever Slept
Death of a Dude

Looks like you really enjoy the pre 1940 books, as do I.

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I was almost going to say "If Death Ever Slept" as well, but the reason I left it off was because I don't recall it as well as some of these others; I merely had a memory of liking it a lot the last tiem I read it. But I felt that to include it without being more familiar with it would probably be inaccurate/unfair, so I left it off.

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I have to say, I didn't really enjoy The Black Mountain a lot (not to say I disliked it) probably because it was missing so many of the old familiar faces that I've come to really enjoy from the (book) series. It wasn't a bad story per se, although I kind of didn't like the way the deaths of Marko and Carla were done. I understand that it was necessary to handle it in a completely "remote" -for lack of a better term (if we were talking about a movie or tv show, I would say "off camera") way, because obviously with the books in a first person narrative and the narrorator not being present, there's no other way to handle it, but it just seemed like they were bombs just being dropped out of nowhere. If you have ever read Roger Zelazny's "Amber" series (and I cannot have any expectation that Nero Wolfe readers necessarily would since they are two completely different genres) then it's kind of the same way the entire character of Caine is handled. No preemptory build up, just appears and dissappears like that.

I did actually enjoy many of the later books too, but for various reasons, I have probably read them less overall, as well as less recently, only out of the coincidental fact that my copies of some of the later books are less accessable to me (read: buried or maybe even lost) and therefore, the same reasoning I gave to excluding "If Death Ever Slept" applies to some of those as well.

Having just rewatched this TV series on a whim, (and because enough time had passed since my previous viewing) I am debating whether or not to re-read the books as well (after I am done watching the 1981 Nero Wolfe series, which I can tell you even after only seeing 1 and 1/2 episodes from so far, is VASTLY inferior to the AE series). I'm a little hesitant because even though I am very much in a "Nero Wolfe" type of mood, re-reading all those books - even just the ones I own - is a major undertaking/commitment (once I start, I'm extremely unlikely to stop until I am done, so the word commitment really applies here). I have a number of other things going on in my life - as I'm sure we all do - so I am very torn as to whether or not I want to do it now. But if I do you can be sure I will have a lot more to say on this subject.

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With you all the way on The Rubber Band and Some Buried Caesar, and 2/3 of the way with the Zecks -- And Be a Villain and In the Best Families.

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To be honest, I think my favorite of the Zeck ones was actually "The Second Confession," but I admit a lot of it had to do with Madeline Sperling, who is one of my favorite female characters in the series other than Lily Rowan (of course). I think a lot (maybe not all) of my favorite female characters had immeadiate chemistry with Archie Goodwin from the very first exchange (Lily Rowan, Madeline Sperling, Phoebe Gunther, Sally Colt are all excellent examples of this). And since this came up in a different thread, I guess I will bring this kind of full circle and say that I specifically didn't get that with Lucy Valdon, and maybe that is part of why she wasn't one of my favorites. I didn't feel the chemistry there and I guess I just didn't particularly warm up to her much more as the story progressed.

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Get your point about Black Mountain, and as you can see, some of my favorite stories have Wolfe leaving the Brownstone, and NY altogether. I get a kick reading about Wolfe out West in "Death of a Dude", or on a farm in upstate New York in Caeser. And of course, in "If Death Ever Slept" its Archie that leaves the Brownstone.

Btw, I'm glad you mentioned "The Rubber Band." The first chapter is absolutely hilarious(NW's new exercise program) and an example of great, great writing by Stout imo.

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The shame, for me, is that "The Rubber Band" was only the third Nero Wolfe Novel I had read, and the first one I owned, so I kind of rushed through it a bit (but well, what can I say, I was about 13 years old at the time) so I didn't fully appreciate that exercise program as much as I should have, though of course, even then the humor was not lost on me. But I think it gets a lot funnier after you've really gotten to know the characters, like they are close friends or even family. And if the first scene was hilarious, the final scene where Archie more or less extorts a raise out of Wolfe, was down right hysterical. It's one of the few times where Archie not only gets the better of Wolfe, but does so with a certain finality, at least on the one subject. And it was a great way to end the book.

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...some of my favorite stories have Wolfe leaving the Brownstone, and NY altogether. I get a kick reading about Wolfe out West in "Death of a Dude", or on a farm in upstate New York in Caeser.


I agree. One that definitely sticks in my head is "Door to Death," at least in part because Wolfe is a fish out of water (though he handles it very well).

I can't offhand say which books/stories are my favorites, though, because the last couple times I've read them, I've read them aloud to my husband after supper, and we generally cover only a chapter or two per evening, so by the time we get to the last book, the first one has pretty well faded -- which is good, because then the next time we read them, I have often forgotten who dunnit, and can be amazed all over again.

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Some Buried Caesar
Gambit
Death of a Doxy
Three For the Chair
A Right to Die

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Thanks for starting a thread about the books! I've already given my answer to your question in another post, but I have a question of my own:

In one story, Archie is with a character that he doesn't like very much, and he keeps saying that the guy's voice sounds like a cross between one thing and another thing, and those things get more and more ludicrous as the scene continues. Which story is that in?

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