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Alex Should've Prevented The Moon Cataclysm


I found this movie to be very depressing because it was set in a post-apocalyptic future where the human race was split in half. I mean it was pretty decent for a remake I kind found it disappointing that in 2037 is the year civilization collapsed and reverted back the stone age thanks to the astronauts screwing up the moon colonization. I mean the original 1960 version made it seem fun and neat while the remake made it sad and depressing that several centuries worth of technology was lost. It's kinda depressing if you think about it! Also it was depressing that Alex could not save Emma but more importantly when the Merlock leader told him he found his answer and to leave he attacked him instead of going back in time. I mean why didn't he just travel back to the year 2030 and warn the astronauts about colonizing the moon and destroying civilization. If he did that he would've prevent the merlocks from existing. I mean here's what should have happened.

Merlock Leader: You have your answer, now go!

Alex: Okay, I'll just be leaving now.

Merlock Leader: Wise choice of words!

(Alex then leaves, get in his time machine and travels back to the year 2030)

In 2030:

Alex: Please, don't colonize the moon.

Astronaut: Why?

Alex: Let's just say that in 7 years the moon breaks up and causes the human race to split into two for 800,000 years, you'd be making a huge mistake!

Astronaut: Yeah like that's gonna happen, quit reading those outdated sci-fi books from yesteryear.

Alex: Okay, I'll show you the future then. I have a time machine I built.

(They get into the machine and travel to the year 802,701.)

Astronaut: So this was caused by the moon?

Alex: Yes, I stopped on August 26, 2037 and the moon was crashing into New York's skyscrapers. Now do you believe me?

Astronaut: Yes, We shall not colonize the moon!

Alex: Thank you!

THE END

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You do realize this would cause a big time paradox? If Alex takes the astronaut into the future and they see the broken moon, they will go back and everyone decides not to colonize the moon. Thus, the moon never broke up. If the moon never broke up, then Alex would have no reason for going back in time to warn the astronauts when he went to the year 802,701.

Like the Uber-Morlock said, you can't change the past. Even if Alex tried warning Earth's people, the moon would somehow have to break up by 802,701 in order to give Alex the motivation to go back in time in the first place.

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Of course at the end of the movie, Alex travels to 635 Million AD and sees the Morlocks are still in charge, so he goes back to 802,701 and kills them all. Because you can't change the past but you can apparently change the future. So if he went back to 2030 then the moon disaster would have been in the future, and he could have changed it. By the movie's logic.

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Then we have another question - what is the past and what is the future? You can change the future, but, if he had already seen the past (2037), then altering it would be the same as trying to save his beloved woman. If he could kill the Marlock civilization to prevent the future, which he had seen with own eyes, so in fact returning to 800 000 AD and changing it was as altering past by the time, then he could have saved his lady as well, tried it as many times as possible. Author made a plot hole.

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It was explined by the Uber Morlock that Alex could not change HIS past by rescuing his girlfriend because his girlfriend's death was the trigger for him to make the time machine.

Events that are outside his personal timeline can remain unchanges.

Think of the old paradox - I'll go back in time and kill my grandfather before he sired my father.

2 Possibilites, the first being that the action splits you into a different timeline where you grandsfather is still alive.. Or 2, no matter what you do your grandsfather survives and sires your father because you existed.

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I found this movie to be very depressing because it was set in a post-apocalyptic future where the human race was split in half. I mean it was pretty decent for a remake I kind found it disappointing that in 2037 is the year civilization collapsed and reverted back the stone age thanks to the astronauts screwing up the moon colonization. I mean the original 1960 version made it seem fun and neat while the remake made it sad and depressing

I don't know about the book, but the 1960 version has the Time Traveller stop in 1966 during a nuclear war, and sees the city destroyed. So they only gave humanity another 6 years of life after the movie, at least this one gave us 35 years before we destroy civilization. How is that more "fun and neat?" He still ends up 800,000 years in the future in a "post-apocalyptic" world where humanity has split into 2 races, just like in this movie.

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If I remember correctly, Alex gets into the time machine with the world falling apart around him. He is just trying to get out of there to save himself, from falling debris, when he gets knocked unconscious. He wakes up in the Eloi village and gets involved in their world.

If he was to go back and save the Moon, the Eloi would never exist.

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He couldn't, because he never did.
Or- if you'll remember how wOwied Al was... at everything... as a proper scientist, he kept his goal, squarely in his sights, undistracted. After all... when you have an 'effin' Time machine... he could go back anytime he wanted.

Problem is... who'd believe him? Who would he tell?

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The idea is that things are going to happen no matter what...interference can not alter what is to be. The problem they made with the film is that the Uber-Morlock mentioned that there were colonies of Morlocks and that he himself was one of many (if I recall correctly). All Alexander Hartdegen did was destroy one group of Morlocks when the time machine exploded, freeing one group of surface dwellers from their clutches. When he goes to the future and sees that the Morlocks have devastated everything due to there being no Uber-Morlock to control them, he goes back and changes it. But did he succeed? The machine is destroyed, so he cannot travel time anymore to see the results. The loss of one group of Morlocks is not going to change the world any more than Hartdegen would be able to alter the destruction of the moon. If he somehow had managed to convince the government of the dangers on the moon, something else in history would have resulted in the same thing...just like the death of his fiance. Certain things are GOING TO HAPPEN no matter what. Based on what Guy saw, his girlfriend will always die, the moon will always fall apart, Eloi and Morlocks will result every time, and Morlocks will eventually extinguish their food supply and themselves die. In effect, Hartdegen really didn't change anything in the big picture other than a few present circumstances.

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So basically, once the Time Traveller knows what's going to happen, any interference using Time Travel will cause a paradox. Unless the Time Machine itself is destroyed to prevent the bad future from happening. Makes sense. That's why he used the time machine itself at the end, to alter the future.

It basically breaks the Paradox from happening. As since the Time Machine itself is destroyed by time, no Paradox happens. (The big wave coming out in the end.)

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So basically, once the Time Traveller knows what's going to happen, any interference using Time Travel will cause a paradox. Unless the Time Machine itself is destroyed to prevent the bad future from happening. Makes sense. That's why he used the time machine itself at the end, to alter the future. >>> But did he really change anything that much. He saved a few Elois and eradicated one tribe of Morlocks. The future will still see the Morlocks take over and Earth become barren. Everything is set in stone and will happen, no matter what small details one changes.

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The astronaut would call his government bosses that he has something important to show them. Once the Time Machine was verified to work. The government would take control over it, and murderous government agents would manipulate past, present, and future. Thus the Morlocks of the future would only be vastly worse.


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