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Why kill the Uber-Morlock (*spoiler)

posted 15 years ago by ChazzJazz
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why the hell did he try to kill the uber morlock?

Didnt the ubermensch say that he could control the creatures from eating the humans?

so with the ubermensch dead and no nuking the time machine, the human race would all be eaten, and be extinct!

This is the same rash decision as attacking the mugger with the gun pointed at his girl.

Mugger: "why did you do that? it was only a ring"......a philosophical mugger LOL

Was this script written a new grad? good ideas but poor execution.

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[–] ijoker37 14 years ago

I dunno, what you guys are talking about. After the Uber-morlock as you call him lets the Time Traveler go he moves ahead in the future & sees the earth is all flaming skulls and now the above grounders are not only food but whipped slaves as well, he went back to end that path and give those people hope and a real life, that's why he killed him, did you all miss that part?

[–] TheSolarSailor 14 years ago

that's why he killed him, did you all miss that part? >>> Speaking of missing certain parts, I guess you were asleep when the Uber-Morlock explained that there were more like himself controlling other clans of Morlocks. The destruction of the time machine only took out one clan.

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[–] Parmenides320 14 years ago

...except that when he went to the desolate future the Uber-Morlock was already dead. He got into the time machine and said something like, "You forgot about 'what if'" and grabbed uber. But I believe you are correct in that once he saw the desolate future he went back to kill the morlocks and "give those people hope and a real life."

Of course, that means we're back to not understanding why he killed uber in the first place.

[–] jasperjvz 14 years ago

"But I believe you are correct in that once he saw the desolate future he went back to kill the morlocks and "give those people hope and a real life." "

Didn't Alex just learn that that is impossible? The desolate future made him decide to go back and kill the morlocks. But then the future wouldn't be desolate anymore, so he wouldn't have decided to go back and change it.

[–] TheSolarSailor 14 years ago

The desolate future made him decide to go back and kill the morlocks. >>> Again, this was just one tribe of Morlocks that were killed, so he ultimately didn't change much at all.

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[–] be236 12 years ago

Huh?

He only saw the bleak future AFTER the killed the Uber-Morlock guy...

Mean, he killed the Uber guy FIRST, then he saw the bleak future, and came back and killed the low-level Morlocks...

The question is.. why he killed the Uber guy when that Uber guy let him go the first time?? he could have just taken the machine and "gone home" or even go back a few days and saved the girl, etc... and let the Uber guy be and never have known the bleak future...

[–] outer_real 14 years ago

That Vampire was a noble creature, he told him the answer he had been looking for, he gave him back his time machine, I think the way the time traveller treated him was totally unjust. This film is devoid of morals.

[–] ZAROVE 14 years ago

I agree with Outer Real, the Morlock didn't seem evil at all. I mean, we're suppose to Sympathise with the Eloi because they look more like us, and unlike in the Original aren't just pacified Cattle, but the Morlock Leader didn't seem all that Violent or Evil. As Alexander was not an Eloi, he was not Treated as food. His question was Answered. Alexander could have tried to Reason soem mroe with him, or simply chosen to go back in time and prevent the creation of the Morlocs, as that wa shis Future, not his past, and so coudl be changed.

And its not liek he'd be abandonign Mara to her fate as she woudln't have been born for several Hundred Years later.

[–] Herreken 13 years ago

Mara may never have been born if Alexander some how prevented the creation of the morlocks.

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[–] Enough_Rope 14 years ago

He wasn't noble, that's like saying that war generals are noble. He had to keep the Elois are out so that they wouldn't find the "secrets". That can't possibly be considered noble.

[–] tutankhaten 14 years ago

The *beep* stole his watch!
:D

[–] Crusher_8000 14 years ago

The morlocks were violent and ate the humans so Alexander did a genocide on them. It's not like humans are the most peaceful race ever. The morlocks just tried to survive.
trying to survive = bad
genocide = good

[–] GreatWhiteApeofBarsoom 14 years ago

Morlocks are people--or at least an offshoot of humanity--Crusher. The Eloi are the descendants of the upper classes while the Morlocks are the descendants of the working class.

Carthago delenda est.

[–] Crusher_8000 14 years ago

Well they are humanlike, I'm not sure after how many mutations a group can be considered a whole different race, I would say when breeding with their closest relatives (the upperclass humans) is impossible but that would mean donkeys and horses are the same race. Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is the Morlocks just hunted people to survive while Alexander just did a whole genocide on them and was then praised as a hero. It's typical hollywood, killing is good as long it's not humans or cute cudly animals.

[–] TheSolarSailor 14 years ago

Alexander's action did nothing to change anything at all. The Uber-Morlock stated that he was one of many and that there are other clans. Alexander took out one group with his actions and prevented himself from being able to accomplish anything else. His only hope is to teach this one group of Eloi to resist when more Morlocks arrive at some point. The future he saw was the one that will eventually happen anyhow. Look at the landscape...do you think Morlocks eating all the people will cause that? The Earth will eventually die. They really should have thought out the ending a lot more rather than supplant a thoughtful story with stupid action scenes.

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[–] GreatWhiteApeofBarsoom 14 years ago

I'm aware of what you're saying, Crusher. I'm just pointing out the Eloi are no more people than the Morlocks. We sympathize with the Eloi more than with the Morlocks because the Eloi look more like us. They're both offshoots of humanity though. The source novel doesn't advocate genocide of the Morlocks though. They're clearly malevolent to both the Eloi and the Time Traveler, but that's not because they're evil. The Eloi are their food, and the Time Traveler interferes with their feeding. Ergo, they respond violently to him. (In the uncut original version of the novel, at some point after the time of the Time Traveler's visit, the Morlocks and Eloi interbreed and become a new species of kangaroo-man living in fear of being devoured by giant centipedes.) I wish Simon Wells had stuck more closly to his great-grandfather's vision of the future rather than essenially gutting the premise of the source work.

Carthago delenda est.

[–] gallileo60 14 years ago

Where did it mention what class of people the Eloi came from, or the Morlocks?? I missed it in the movie..

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[–] bcross11 13 years ago

^^^^It wasn't in the movie they were talking about the book.

I believe after he killed the one clan of morlocks he probably became the eloi leader after his heroic display. Then and taught them how to fight the morlocks in hope to change the future.

[–] gallileo60 14 years ago

Some War Generals are Noble...Killing can be Noble, depends on the circumstances...

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[–] FourKay 14 years ago

Agreed, the Uber-Morlock was actually noble and he answered his question and let him go, there was no need to attack him.

Things change and as the UM said "Who are you, to question 800000 years... of evolution?".

Eloi's had their time, now it's Morlock time!

[–] jasperjvz 14 years ago

Well uhm, did he kill him actually? He sentenced the uber morlock to a life of hanging on the time machine. However on returning to the time around the fight, the uber morlock was gone while he should just have begun his great adventure of hanging on the time machine for a few years.

When Alex destroyed the time machine, the sentence of the uber morlock was revoced. How can you hang on to something that doesn't exist?

[–] Max06 14 years ago

As much as I really like this movie, the last 10 minutes are very rushed and not thought out completely. It could have used another 10 minutes to the running time to come to a better conclusion, such as excluding the obvious plot hole of the many psychic Morlocks still out there in the future world, and a final scene with Alexander in his new home.

Still a good movie despite the quite big flaws.

[–] ShadowsGathered 14 years ago

I think the spoiler is in the thread title itself.

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[–] CountOroku01 13 years ago

How come uber morlock didn't use the time machine?

I wished he had descended from the goon or even be that guy, so the hero would had been felt good of killing him.