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Queer as Folk marathon - Season 1 - Episode 14


I've really enjoyed reading everyone's reviews, and I'm really on a QAF kick lately, so I thought I'd contribute one of my own.

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The first time I saw this episode, the only thing I really remembered was Justin's seduction and manipulation of Kip. On later viewings though, that actually seems to me to be the odd story out. The rest of the episode is really about relationships and accepting the people in your life (and yourself).

The relationships:
Brian - Michael - David
Even though David and Michael are happy together, it's clear that David is still really bothered by Michael's constant need to be with Brian. To the point that Michael starts lying to David. When David finds out, they almost break up. Then Brian shows up a David's office to point out what an idiot he's being.

The whole thing reminds me of the episode in season 4 where Emmett and Ted are at odds and Michael's caught in the middle. Emmett tries to force Michael to abandon his friendship with Ted. When Michael won't, it's up to Brian to point out to Emmett that "If you force him to choose, you're going to lose him"

I have to point out that even though Brian seems to be working against Michael and David's relationship as often as not, his visit to David's office really does seem to be about helping them. Michael doesn't know about it, so Brian's not trying to impress him. Even though his words are pretty pointed, they do seem to be what David needs to hear. Once David accepts that Brian is a major part of Michael's life, their relationship improves tremendously.

Emmett & the gang
Last episode, they tried everything they could think of to get him to knock off the whole "see the light" thing. Initially in this episode, Ted is bemoaning how much he misses Emmett. Michael and Brian offer to fill in for him at the gym, but it's not Michael reminds Ted that Emmett can't commit to anything that he's comforted.

Emmett for his part is still attending See the Light and this time he's targeted by a lesbian named Heather who convinces him that they can have a success story together. Later when they run into Ted and Mel at the movies, words are exchanged but Ted makes the first step towards accepting that Emmett. However, Emmett's response it to try to recruit him to See the Light.

Eventually, Ted and Michael go to See the Light and to tell Emmett that they still love him no matter what. After that Emmett and Heather start to really see the light and accept themselves. The episode closes with them back in Babylon, celebrating who they are.

Mel and Linds
Lindsey can't accept Mel's apology, even after she knows that Mel is helping Brian - so they remain estranged (for now, of course). It's really the counterpoint to the other relationships in this episode.

Mel and Brian

They are starting to accept each other and make peace. This is the first episode we see just the two of them, much less getting along.



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Additional thoughts:
I really like the scene in Debbie's kitchen where she and Vic are being silly together. It doesn't really move anything along in the plot, so I kinda wonder if the episode was a little short. Regardless of the reason, I like that QAF doesn't take itself too seriously (at least in the first season). Justin's reaction also makes me smile… and wonder if his family ever had moments of silliness together. Granted, we usually see the Taylors at their worst, but they just don't seem like the type and Justin's reaction bears that out. Michael comes in with supplies and though he's initially skeptical, it takes him all of 10 seconds to join in.

In the scene in Brian's loft where Mel is helping him prepare for his legal battle, in spite of his hangover. Linds shows up and we get to see the awkwardness between her and Mel. Gus misses Mel and so does Lindsey, but when Brian suggests that they try and make up, Lindsey is defensive and questions the fact that he's taking Mel's side. I find it interesting that when he responds, he seems to imply that everyone blames him for everything and glances significantly in Justin's direction. Linds glances that way too. What's that about? The way he says it seems to imply that Justin blames him for something, but it seems more likely that others blame him for Justin's problems (e.g. his parents kicking him out)
We also see Lindsey taking more handouts from Brian.
Then there's a long shot of Justin looking at Brian's check book. Not sure what that's supposed to be. They hold it for a long while, but I couldn't really figure out what they were trying to convey there.

Immediately after, we switch to see Michael's version of their shared hangover, which he's trying to hide from David. Seriously? Does he really think that David won't notice that he's hungover? David, of course, confronts him and ignores Michael's excuses. I don't think Michael was right to do what he did, but David certainly isn't helping by pushing him to forget Brian at every turn. You can certainly see why things worked out better with Ben than David. Ben gave Michael a lot more latitude in dealing with Brian, even after Brian started to get really demanding.

Later everyone except Brian and Emmett are hanging out at Woody's. I find it interesting that Justin's there, hanging out with them. He seems independent enough that he wouldn't go just because his guardians are there (Debbie and Vic) and at this point in the series, he wouldn't go to hang out with Michael or Ted. So what's he doing there?

Even though there are some smart characters on this show, they don't really focus on their intelligence, but Justin gets a good line that does show he's smart and well-read, even if he is just a kid. It seems like a good way to set the stage for later in the episode. It also explains, a little, how he and Brian deal so well together - he can keep up with Brian intellectually. In contrast, Debbie: "A leopard can't change his stripes" :-)

Later when Justin's scheme is revealed, he certainly seems smarter than Kip. It seems like a disconnect here. Kip's supposed to be some marketing wunderkind, but Justin basically has to spoonfeed him the whole thing point by point. I'm 17. My dad's a psycho. If he knew I was here. No way my dad could know. Unless I told him. I would never tell him. As long as you do something for me...

Heather's expression while she and Emmett are finishing in bed is laugh out loud funny. (at least to me)

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Agree that Brian is being very helpful to David, a man he despises, by warning him not to make Michael choose. Believe that even though he wants the couple to part ways, Brian no longer wants to be the cause of it.

Poor Ted, we really see how important Emmett is to him here. In the end Ted is even willing to accept Emmett as a heterosexual, unfortunately Emmett is far less tolerant. It's a lucky thing for all that Ted gives voice to the tolerance of God as he sees it. Otherwise who knows how long it would have taken Emmett to see the truth.

I don't recall Mel apologizing to Lindsay.


There will be rare moments when Brian and Melanie get along, but they never last. The the core reason for the hostility is probably because Lindsay really does love Brian more than she loves her own partner. And Brian resents the attention from Lindsay that Mel's presence takes away And as long as this is the case, the two will never easily accept each other.


Not a lot of time. Will reply to rest when I can.

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Yes Lindsay continues to take money from Brian even though he is going through a very hard time. I wish they had explained just once, why she needs Brian's constant handouts when so many women manage to raise children with little or no financial help from anybody.

They did make quite a deal out of Justin looking at Brian's checkbook. And it's certain they were trying to make some point. But I can't figure out what that point is either.

It is too bad that it took a warning from Brian for David to see the error of trying to keep Michael away from his long time best friend. And it does stand in contrast to Ben, who accepted Brian's place in Michael's life from the start.

I think Justin was just generally hanging out at Woody's with nobody in particular. But I don't think it's unlikely that he'd keep company with Ted and Michael, or even Debbie and Vic. Of course Justin might have been there in hopes of coming across Kip, which is what ended up happening.

It was funny that Justin almost had to spell things out for Kip in order to blackmail him. But it's not inconsistent that Kip would be great at his job but be so slow on the uptake here. Individuals are often very gifted in certain areas but remain intellectually disadvantaged in others.

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Lindsay continues to take money from Brian even though he is going through a very hard time. I wish they had explained just once, why she needs Brian's constant handouts when so many women manage to raise children with little or no financial help from anybody.]/b]

I hate Lindsay for that. And one think I don't understand: when Mel left, did she give up Gus altogether? I thought she would continue to help Lindsay financially, especially because Lindsay was not working at the time. How was she supposed to support herself and Gus if she's not working? Wht about mortgage? Who's gonna pay for the roof on Gus's head?

[b]They did make quite a deal out of Justin looking at Brian's checkbook. And it's certain they were trying to make some point. But I can't figure out what that point is either.


I had the impression they were just trying to make a point about Brian's deep financial crisis. And this is something else I can't understand: how can a susscessful ad execute who makes tons of money runs out of money only a few days he is not working? How is that possible that he has no savings? Even if he is let go, the company does not give him any compensation after years of work?

Let me explain how labor law works in Brazil: every company has to contribute to a fund that will add up year after year. The employee cannot cash that money except for: 1) To buy a house; 2) In case of serious deadly illness; 3) If he/she is fired. Let's suppose the employee has been working for the company for 10 years and gets fired. The company will have to pay the amount on the fund + 30% (if they fired the employee with no acceptable justification). This fund is about 1 monthly payment for each year the employee worked for the company. For example, if the employee earned US$ 3,000 a month, after 10 years he/she will get US$ 30,000 + 30% (fine for firing the employee) = US$ 39.000 And that's not all, there is more the company has to pay to him/her.

Well, OK, Brian was not fired yet, but even so. I don't know how things work in the US, but it's unbelievable that Brian has no money at all after only a few days. Besides, Ted says that he would be able to support himself for 2 months without a job.

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The way this show deals with money is beyond confounding. But I think the point of Mel moving out was that there was now more rent to pay. Mel surely wasn't going to stay at her relative's place forever or at least not contribute financially to her new household's upkeep. It's also likely that Melanie did stop using her inheritance, which supposedly allowed for Linds to stay home with Gus. Don't think Mel stopped contributing to Gus completely, but maybe she did, they don't really say.

I don't think they were trying to suggest that Brian was going to be penniless within days. But if they were trying to use his checkbook to say that Brian is having money problems, it is ridiculous to use a teen aged boy who's never paid a bill in his life to make this point. There's simply no way that Justin could tell at a glance what kind of financial shape Brian was in.

In the US there are supposed safeguards to keep from being fired for no reason. But in reality, you can be fired for nearly anything, and unemployment, or severence may or may not be given.

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But I think the point of Mel moving out was that there was now more rent to pay. Mel surely wasn't going to stay at her relative's place forever or at least not contribute financially to her new household's upkeep.

I thought they had a mortgage together. If that's the case, the right thing to do would be living separately in the house (as they did in Season 5), so they could still colaborate to raise Gus. Until they found a better way.

It's also likely that Melanie did stop using her inheritance, which supposedly allowed for Linds to stay home with Gus.

This is something I can't understand. For how long did he use her inheritance? Three weeks? I couldn't be longer than tht given the course of the events. When I heard the word "inheritance" I thought it was a substantial amount of money, considering she was so afraid to make the decision to use it so that Lindsay could stay home and raise Gus. I thought she had a lot to lose. Either this money wasn't that much after all, or she put it away in a saving account an stopped using it.

Tht's all so confusing! 

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About all these money questions, your confusion is warranted, but it might be pointless to ponder on it all. I'm still so stymied by the idea that a lawyer's pay alone isn't enough to pay the mortgage, that the finer points dealing with Mel and Linds financial woes don't even register with me. If the beginning premise doesn't make sense, how can anything that comes after be anything but ridiculous.

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If Justin wants golden gardenias, he should have golden gardenias! Brian Kinney

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I don't recall Mel apologizing to Lindsay.


I don't think she does. However she'll admit it was her fault they split. But then Lindsay will say the same thing.

There will be rare moments when Brian and Melanie get along, but they never last. The the core reason for the hostility is probably because Lindsay really does love Brian more than she loves her own partner.

Agree. Even Brian says "you love me more than you love her". I've always thought that too.

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So true about Lindsay loving Brian more than Mel. It must be horrible enough to know the one you love prefers someone else. But to have that someone put in your face all the time at the insistence of your own partner? Really don't understand why Melanie doesn't leave Linds and find someone who will put her first.

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pocceygirl, I can't thank you enough for starting the marathon thread for episode 114. I've been extremely busy. I hope I have time to read your review soon. Thanks, again.




"If Justin wants golden gardenias, he should have golden gardenias!" Brian Kinney

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................Thoughts on qaf episode 114 pt. 1 of 2

................Main points





First sight of Michael is as he is reading in bed. Almost as if in response to not seeing David at all last episode, we now see too much if him as he brings Michael wine and pasta in bed wearing nothing but an apron. Am really, really not into this. David does have a good body. But somehow, the addition of an apron just makes the Doctor's fairly respectable behind the focus of a ridiculous picture. And why again with the food and sex combination? It was awkward but cute with Brian and Justin, as it was played as a questionable choice in judgment by a teenager. But David is old enough to know better. The whole idea of dinner in bed is just unappetizing in every way. Really wonder if Michael untied the apron strings just to stop David looking so foolish rather than for plans of an intimate nature.

But annoyance turned to anger when David actually physically restrained Michael from calling Brian. David added to this outrage by having the nerve to forbid Michael to see Brian. What makes David think he has the right to demand such a thing of Michael, let alone put his hands on his partner? At this point Michael should get up and walk out, or tell David to go to hell, or calmly explain that he is not a slave, or any number of similar things. But instead, probably due to years of experience at being a doormat, Michael does nothing.

It's almost a shock to be reminded that Michael has other relationships and is not just David's boyfriend when he joins Vic and Debbie for a silly family moment that has Justin at a complete loss. Noticed that Vic and Debbie seem to be better dancers than any of the club frequenting younger characters. Younger being the key word as Michael decides to act like an eleven year old by lying to David about his whereabouts when he plans to see Brian. Small wonder David believes he can treat Michael like a child.

Enjoy the simplicity of Michael's visit to Brian's. Armed with an enormous larder of food, he comes to keep his friend company and get his mind off his troubles. The ceiling's eye view of both men sprawled out in Brian's living room with the mostly gone takeout, establishes that some time has passed. Also like the ceiling shot's use of color or lack of it, as nearly everything from the rug to the furniture to Brian's v neck t shirt( which he looks awesome in by the way), is a vibrant in your face cream or white. Only Michael's yellow shirt breaks the color scheme up, yet this only makes the white seem even more intense. That establishing shot is admirably followed by tight close ups of Brian and then Michael in a manner that conveys the closeness of their relationship and the intimacy of the conversation. As the friends finish off the last of the food, talk runs to the past as they reminisce about their days in school and at home. Like that we get to learn a little bit about the history of this friendship as well as about Brian's incredible vanity and excessive partying lifestyle. But their conversation eventually veers into uncomfortable reality when Brian speaks of possibly losing the loft and Michael admits to visiting Brian on the sly. Appreciate the escalation of intimacy here as the psychological closeness of the men implied by the camera becomes actual physical closeness as Michael moves to lay next to Brian on the pale shag carpet in a beautiful floor level shot. Here things take a solemn turn as Brian tells Michael he's innocent of the harassment charges. This is a revealing character moment for Brian, who always so fervently claims not to give a s!*t what others think. But Michael, who's not there to judge but to give comfort, simply acknowledges Brian's explanation and moves on, taking his friend back to their comparatively carefree high school days and the band they once hoped to form. This interlude is thoughtfully written, filmed, and performed, and stands as a fine example of the easy uncomplicated friendship between these two very different people.

But because this is television, where all misguided plans must be exposed, David finds out the truth about Michael when he visits Debbie with some soup. It's both hilarious and adorable that Debbie actually coughs once in an apparent gesture to partially cover for Michael. And again, because this is television, David gets a good look at Brian and Michael playing guitar not like professionals but like people who know a little about the instrument. And they play pretty well together, at one point engaging in a pretty substantial kiss. David sees this as well of course. Was thankful that the next day when David asks Michael about his mother's illness, he doesn't string Michael along too much. And have to say, even while he is berating Michael in a way he has no business doing, David's looking very good in that long dark coat as he heads out the door.

Brian looks as if he's posing for a painting as he reclines on David's table while waiting for him in his office. Love Brian's smoke rings and the way he is continually unapologetic about his cigarette habit. David enters, barely acknowledging Brian's there in a way that is reminiscent of an earlier meeting at Michael's old place. On first viewing, it took me until this scene to realize that David/Chris Potter is left handed as he casually does his paperwork. And though I hate David's cool dismissive attitude in general, it's great fun when it's used to spar with Brian. But even as he contemptuously tells David he'll be around when David's gone, and puts his cigarette out in his coffee, Brian does David the huge favor of warning the doctor not to make Michael choose. Once again, Brian is performing a great kindness couched in the behavior of an a**hole.

As much as David resents and dislikes Brian, it's to his credit that he's still able to see the truth and wisdom of Brian's advice as he suggests that Michael go out clubbing with his friends. But Michael decides to stay home and unfortunately for this viewer, do some rather uninspired dancing that only David would find appealing. Michael might have a "sculpted torso", but all I can see is that annoying patch of chest hair. Strange that Michael and David's story is book ended at beginning and end with unflattering images of each man in a state of undress.






In the opening of his story, Brian already seems slightly cowed by his predicament. In fact, this episode Brian will be the supporting player through most of his own tale. Melanie, Michael and Lindsay will all take the lead from Brian respectively. Brian has had the wind taken out of his sails to such a degree that Cynthia and even Ryder manage to eclipse him.
Both like and dislike the first meeting between Brian and Melanie. Dislike the way Mel's blaming Brian for her and Lindsay's breakup, again forgetting her own part in that situation. To recap, Mel was the one who allowed herself to be manipulated by Lindsay, who did not secure parental rights ahead of time, and decided on her own to give up her inheritance for Lindsay. And lets not forget that it wasn't Brian's idea to father Lindsay's child. And really, really can't understand how Brian is to blame for Mel's tryst with Marianne. Can well believe that Brian may have tried to come between Mel and Linds in a manner similar to the way he did with Michael and David. But all we are shown are problems owing partly or wholly due to these women's own poor judgments and decisions. What I liked about this meeting was how it looks. Mel and Brian sit down together in what appears to be an expensive restaurant with a backdrop featuring a large window displaying stark but still pretty bare tree branches and the fog or snow that highlight them. The interior beauty is Brian, looking almost too perfect in a light brown mid calf length coat, which he doesn't take off even as he sits to discuss his case. This is surely because Brian knows how good he looks and would rather run the risk of being uncomfortable or looking odd than missing the chance to display himself in his exceptional outerwear as much as possible. There's something very irksome about a person who will wear a coat indoors just to be seen in it. And it's a bit pathetic that Brian always tries so hard. But he looks so damn good here, this viewer doesn't really mind. But can't help but notice that both of the show's resident alpha males are wearing very dashing winter outerwear this out. This surely is no accident.

Along with his meeting with David, the moment with Kip is the only time Brian is in command of the room. Wasn't particularly bowled over by the confrontation between these two. I like Brian, but am not in love with him the way many fans and the qaf writers seem to be. And since I really didn't need the satisfaction of witnessing Brian tell Kip off, the whole thing seemed a waste of time. Did find it a bit interesting to learn that Kip really is delusional, not just playing an angle to get a payoff. Because while Kip might be wary of hidden cameras and microphones and put on a false front, he would not offer to drop the suit in exchange for a chance at the position Brian wouldn't champion him for earlier. For Kip to believe Ryder would give him that or any promotion based on Brian's advice after what has transpired shows Mr. Thomas to be genuinely out of his mind.

Brian's second meeting with Mel and then Lindsay ends up being more about that former couple than the man in question. The awkward meeting between the women is wistful and sad. Mel's short lived cuddle with Gus is slightly touching. And love the multi-colored outfit Gus sports. Find the ill fitting and homemade quality of the knitted baby sweater charming. And adore the matching stocking cap with pom pom, another of the cute baby hats we'll see throughout the season. Even after Mel leaves, their relationship continues to be the focus, as Brian suggests that Mel had good reason to cheat on Linds. Wondered about his on first viewing. Didn't know if Brian was just being a jerk, the way he was when he told Michael he should have stayed with the Doctor after his and David's breakup? Or, as Brian doesn't believe in monogamy, does he really feel Mel was right to do as she did? This question isn't definitively answered in this outing. But what is clear is that Lindsay is back to her annoying self as she accuses Brian of driving Mel away, apparently failing to remember that she is the reason Brian is around in the first place. Lindsay is also back, if she ever really stopped, to hitting Brian up for money, even while knowing the lawsuit is straining his finances. Suppose Lindsay's request for baby sitter money only was her idea of being charitable. Had Brian not had a cash flow problem, she probably would have persuaded him to support her completely.

My favorite part of Brian's story was Justin's contribution, which would prove to be invaluable to Brian. Ever the man of action, Justin uses prior knowledge of Kip's appearance, the luck of seeing the man at Woody's, and his underage status in a campaign to rescue his lover. Adore how this plays out, because while luck and circumstance put Kip and Justin together, everything doesn't fall in his lap. The boy still has to work for his results. Shortly after ordering a "stoli", which never fails to bring Patsy Stone to mind, Kip is the object of Justin's rather overt flirtatious advances. But for all the times this show has proclaimed Justin to be the hottest thing around, Kip is not impressed. I love this about Kip. Not sure if Kip's initial lack of attraction to Justin is presented as a difference in personal taste, or as more evidence of his faulty judgement. Either way, it's the one personality trait, if the only one, that I can admire in the man. But even more admirable is Justin's determination, who, despite being accustomed to getting by on his looks, soldiers on as Kip not only turns Justin down but also pointedly rebuffs him. But as Kip leaves Woody's abruptly, apparently to get away from Justin, the boys follows him into the ally. This gets Kip's attention. And Justin builds on this by employing the incredibly effective "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" tactic. And so, after a little more resistance, Kip finally takes the bait over a shared contempt for Brian Kinney. Next sighting of Kip and Justin is a make-out session at Kip's place. Appreciate that Kip's disrobing of Justin gives us a generous view of the boy's incredible backside. Also find it interesting that unlike Brian, Kip is rather fond of Justin's nipple ring. Absolutely in love with the way the rest of this interaction is handled. Displaying more cunning than most teenagers probably or realistically possess, Justin doesn't show all his cards at once. Instead, in a matter of fact/by the way manner, Justin says that they must hurry due to his curfew, which eventually leads to the revelation that he's underage with a "psycho" dad who's call to police got Justin's former lover ten years in jail. The smooth casual manner in which Justin shares all this makes it less than obvious this is a set up. Perhaps Justin is a bit too smooth because Kip still fails to get the gist of his dilemma until Justin again mentions his dad, finally dropping all pretense as he gets to the point.

We don't hear Kip's reaction to Justin's blackmail, but we do learn of the result when the sexual harassment suit is suddenly and mysteriously dropped. And a mystery it will remain, as Justin shows almost superhuman self discipline by never telling Brian. It's to Justin's considerable credit that he keeps mum about what he's done. Often ponder why Justin never tells Brian that he quite possibly saved his career. Could be that Justin did it out of his feelings for Brian, neither expecting nor wanting anything in return. Or it could be for a more pragmatic reason, as Justin might have feared that having Brian feel beholden to him could eventually breed resentment in his prospective partner. But regardless of the hows and whys, completely adore the way the scenario unfolds. From Justin having to work a little to bait and hook the resistant Kip, to Justin's seamless transition from eager trick to determined blackmailer, and finally the boy's herculean feat of will in never revealing what he has accomplished. So very well played.



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Great as always, dergil! 

First sight of Michael is as he is reading in bed. Almost as if in response to not seeing David at all last episode, we now see too much if him as he brings Michael wine and pasta in bed wearing nothing but an apron. Am really, really not into this.David does have a good body. But somehow, the addition of an apron just makes the Doctor's fairly respectable behind the focus of a ridiculous picture.

I love that scene, and I love David's body! The food and sex combination is disgusting, I agree. But thoughtful! As for Brian andJustin, somehow I think ice-cream goes perfectly with sex, but not pasta.

Really wonder if Michael untied the apron strings just to stop David looking so foolish rather than for plans of an intimate nature.

That scene reminded me of a B/J scene in Season 4, where Brian is on bed talking on the phone and Justing comes out of the shower naked and joins him and Brian flips him on his back. In both scenes (D/M and B/J) all I could think was I can do only one thing at a time. When I'm talking on the phone I can't focus on anything else.

But annoyance turned to anger when David actually physically restrained Michael from calling Brian. David added to this outrage by having the nerve to forbid Michael to see Brian. What makes David think he has the right to demand such a thing of Michael, let alone put his hands on his partner?

Agree. David pratically drove Michael into lying to him to be with Brian.

Michael has other relationships and is not just David's boyfriend when he joins Vic and Debbie for a silly family moment that has Justin at a complete loss.

That was such a sweet brother-sister moment!

Michael decides to act like an eleven year old by lying to David about his whereabouts when he plans to see Brian. Small wonder David believes he can treat Michael like a child.

Michael was naive to think that he could get away with such a flimsy lie! He obviously is not used to lie. Terribel lier. Even Justin lies better than Michael.

Also like the ceiling shot's use of color or lack of it, as nearly everything from the rug to the furniture to Brian's v neck t shirt( which he looks awesome in by the way), is a vibrant in your face cream or white. Only Michael's yellow shirt breaks the color scheme up, yet this only makes the white seem even more intense.

Brian has the exact same taste as me for decoration: neutral colors. I heard the guy responsible for the show's custom design say that Michael is almost always dressed in primary colors (blue, yellow and red) in Season 1, because they want to convey a boyish look for the character. That's gonna change in S2.

That establishing shot is admirably followed by tight close ups of Brian and then Michael in a manner that conveys the closeness of their relationship and the intimacy of the conversation.

Michael and Brian's relationship is a mystery to me because of their physical closeness. I don't kiss any of my friends on the mouth. Ted and Emmett are very close, they don't do that too. I find M/B's relationship sweet though.

Here things take a solemn turn as Brian tells Michael he's innocent of the harassment charges. This is a revealing character moment for Brian, who always so fervently claims not to give a s!*t what others think.

Michael is not the sole exception to the rule. I think Brian cares about what Deb thinks about him too.

Love Brian's smoke rings and the way he is continually unapologetic about his cigarette habit.

As far as I know Gale used to be a smoker at the time of the show, but he hasn't been smoking for a long time (well I read that from fans who saw him in different places). Gale looked soooooo thin back then. Now he is a little fuller, but still delicious.

But even as he contemptuously tells David he'll be around when David's gone, and puts his cigarette out in his coffee, Brian does David the huge favor of warning the doctor not to make Michael choose.

I love when Brian says that. That's a valuable lesson about friendship. People tend to put their love partners above everything else, even their best friends. I learned with a grat friend of mine that friends and family should come first in our lives. Lovers come and go, bur friends might be forever there for us.

As much as David resents and dislikes Brian, it's to his credit that he's still able to see the truth and wisdom of Brian's advice as he suggests that Michael go out clubbing with his friends.

Yes. I liked that the character is open enough to learn a lesson and change his ways.

But Michael decides to stay home and unfortunately for this viewer, do some rather uninspired dancing that only David would find appealing.

Hahahaha!  laugh] Totally agree, that was totally awkward and unattractive.


Michael might have a "sculpted torso", but all I can see is that annoying patch of chest hair.

I've always thought he could use a niCe shave there. 

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Well, as mentioned before, I think David has a good body too. But no matter how attractive someone is, there is always a way to make them look less so. For me, this is what happens when David wears an apron but nothing else.

It is possible to talk on the phone and do other things, but it's likely that one of those things will suffer. As for David and Michael or Brian and Justin commencing sex acts while on the phone, who would want to even if it was possible.

David forced Michael to agree not to see Brian. Think Michael shouldn't feel bound to honor an agreement made under pressure. And David should not expect Michael to be bound to such a promise. Actually find it annoying that Brian had to intervene before David saw the problem with it all.

Can never got enough of Vic and Debbie together.

True, Michael is not a very good liar. If he had been he'd have made up a story that wasn't so easy to disprove. How likely is it that David wouldn't have at least called Deb's that night?

I like Brian's neutrals as well. But always got the idea, as discussed before, that his choices were more out of what was fashionable that his personal tastes. Michael in primary colors always seemed a bit of an overkill on the childlike thing to me. Sometimes it was as though the characters almost wore signs that advertised their personality, just a bit too overstated.

There is a certain closeness between Brian and Michael that is more than ordinary friendship but less than actual romance. Not sure it exists in any other friendship on television.

Actually it seems like Brian cares what a lot of people think of him.

It's not much fun to be around cigarette smoke. But people and the government go on about smoking so much it angers me to the point that I want to run out and start a smokers rights group, despite not being a smoker myself.

Brian putting the cig out in David's coffee was so him. Brian will rarely do a favor without wrapping it in insults or rude behavior, particularly when he doesn't like the guy.

And agree that film, television and real life wrongly favor the romance above the friendship. This is probably because romance has the added component of sex. And isn't this what a lot of qaf fans do here and elsewhere? After all the b/k romance is a lot more commented on then the b/m friendship.

I liked that David was able to learn something and use the advice of someone he has an adversarial relationship with. Being able to learn so quickly and easily from an enemy is a rare trait even in otherwise good well rounded people.

Michael's patch of chest hair would come and go. Guess that's better than having it around all the time.

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Emmett's continued efforts to see the light opens on a meeting with another ridiculously stereotypical gay man and lesbian woman recounting their "success story'. Seems these two are so happy at being able to kiss each other, they see themselves as having successfully transitioned into heterosexuality and have become engaged based on this alone. It's hilarious the way the woman awkwardly waves her engagement ring in a poor attempt to imitate the way straight woman supposedly do. The idea that behaving in a manner that you believe heteros behave seems to be the mode of operation for the "See the Light" group, as Emmett and new friend Heather do some of their own hetero role playing by planning a date and exchanging arm punches. Like that the fallacy of this method is demonstrated in the absurdity of Emmett punching Heather's arm, as if even the rare straight male who did that sort of thing would do it to a girl he wanted to date. And even as the two plan a date, the passion that Heather exudes while recounting her first experience with a woman, even after it ended unhappily, shows the pointlessness of the whole charade.

The beginnings of Heather and Emmett's attempt at heterosexual sex is frankly, too awkward to be believed. The mechanics of kissing someone of the opposite sex are pretty much the same. So the idea that these two can't even physically touch lips is ridiculous. But as this is television and we don't get the benefit of a narrative, one can excuse this as a visual attempt to represent the mental awkwardness of this couple, who are not only not attracted to each other, but also don't know each other very well. But while this show overdoes the uncomfortable feeling of this event to the point of overkill, they are right on the money with the music, a bland, generic, very ordinary to the point of boring love song. And though not approving of what they're trying to do, I still admire the resolve and resourcefulness of this couple as they try to help things along by fantasizing about the perfect man and woman. Also grudgingly respect their commitment to their cause with lesbian Heather picturing the perfect man and equally gay Emmett picturing the perfect woman. We see these nude specimens of perfection leaning against the apartment walls, the man in Heather's field of vision the woman in Emmett's. This doesn't work of course, because despite their protestations and objections, both Heather and Emmett are gay. And no amount of beauty in the opposite sex will ever be enough to arouse either of this pair, so Heather and Emmett find a way around this obstacle. What follows is a stunningly inventive move forward as the pair soldier on, now with the perfect woman in Heather's line of sight, the man in Emmett's. Really doesn't make sense that Heather and Emmett could possibly invision the same perfect man and woman, but who cares.

The shift in perspective in accompanied by a drastic music change as Heather pictures her perfect woman in Emmett's place and Emmett does likewise with his fantasy male. Really enjoy the way this is filmed, with alternating images of Heather and her woman, Emmett and his man and Heather and Emmett together shot in successive consecutive cuts but with the same motion continuing from one couple to the next. The alternating shots of the three couples and the action on the couch accelerates in speed as the music also increases in pace and intensity. All this is a very unique way to portray a foreplay session when both partners would rather be with someone else. Have never seen this done so well before or since.

Next time we see Heather and Emmett they have migrated to his bedroom. Why move to the bed when couches are much better for this activity? Perhaps only !*#king in bed is another thing that homosexuals assume all straight people do. The mood is completely different now, with echos of Ty's "You can do it." replacing the music and what seems like an excruciating slow pan up the bodies of Emmett and Heather in the throes of something, but that something's definitely not passion. As the couple nears completion of their "success story", the yielding of fantasy to grim determination is evident in the awkward actions, noises and expressions of both parties. The look on Heather's face as Emmett finishes is a hard to describe mix of confusion, uneasiness, and relief, and it is hilarious. Have to say the combined efforts of the actors and the qaf crew have created what must be one of the most painful to watch sex scenes ever televised. Now this is an awkwardness I can believe. Also of note is an over the bed nude shot of both partners, giving us a full frontal view of one of the cast members. Look while you can, as such things are rare early in the series and will disappear altogether later. The only slight flaw in the scene is the mildly heavy handed ending. A ceiling's eye view shows Heather and Emmett starring up at the ceiling with worried, disappointed faces. The atmosphere is as if a balloon that was expected to suddenly pop had it's air slowly let out instead. There continues to be precious little eye contact as both exchange nervous untruths and empty, stilted pleasantries. It all ends with a profile shot of both partners still staring unhappily up at the ceiling, neither willing to admit what a lie it all is.




Some of the best moments in Emmett's story involve Ted. Early on Ted is rather tiresome as he goes on and on about not having Emmett around. One can only concur with Brian as he rolls his eyes at Ted's continuous whining over Emmett's absence. But Ted is quite a pleasure in his interaction with Melanie when he provides the woman with a friendly ear as she laments her breakup with Lindsay. In a conversation between these friends earlier in the series, Ted wouldn't listen to Mel's woes about her relationship problems. Glad to see that he's softened on this. Ted even makes an effort to cheer Mel up. which is really saying something for Ted. Think Ted and Mel's friendship is one of the most anomalist things about the show. It in no way involves Brian Kinney and presents Melanie in a different light than we usually see. But all good things must come to an end as the friends catch sight of the new straight couple that is Emmett and Heather. Like the way the action segues seamlessly from a relaxed moment between current friends to a stiff moment between former friends. But was confused by Emmett's attitude. At first he wears the same sour expression like that of a man being led to his execution that Emmett's displayed since his conversion to the straight life began. But Emmett's face brightens considerably when he spots Ted, only to become dour again when he sees that Ted's with Melanie. Are we to deduce from this that Emmett thought Ted had found himself a girlfriend? This is certainly what Heather believes. Love the way Melanie bites out the word "double" when Em's date offers to have them come along, the conversation skillfully and almost unnoticeably again, moving from merely uncomfortable to confrontational. Like that they kept the characters true to form with combative Melanie berating Em and Heather for their conversion, and the more staid Ted simply looking regretful. With sad acceptance, Ted offers to take Emmett as he is. But Emmett coldly rebuffs Ted, leaving him with only a "See the Light" card for remembrance as this scene ends on a melancholy note. Seems Emmett has not only decided he needs to be a straight man, but he must be a bigoted straight man as well.

Ted actually does make use of Emmett's invitation to come to a "See the Light" meeting. And the resulting conversation between these men makes for one of Ted's best scenes. It begins with a wide expansive shot of the large meeting room with most of the See the Lighters clustered in small groups. Like that little time is wasted getting to a more intimate shot of Emmett, Heather, the success story couple, and Ty, whose inviting Emmett to join a bowling league. Guess bowling is another thing homosexuals think all heterosexuals do. But the atmosphere changes a bit when the remaining characters are introduced in a shot of Ted and Michael at the room's entrance. The image of Ted and Michael, looking so small against the large door with much open empty space on either side of them, gives the sense they are alone, outnumbered, and out of their comfort zone. As shot over Ted's shoulder is another wide view of the room, with Emmett emerging as a small part of the whole moving out of his group to rather tentatively face his old friends. The uncomfortable, awkward, and even slightly threatening tone of this meeting is made through the camera slowly zooming in first on Michael and Ted, and then on Emmett's now typical grim face. Initially the conversation runs to mild levity with Michael remarking about the group's clothing choices, Ted fretting over his loss of a thousand dollars to Zak O Tool, and Emmett being slightly piqued that his old friends are not planning a van involved kidnapping. Far from being a diversion, this humor works well within the larger less amusing business of Ted and Michael's sad, semi tragic goodbye to Emmett. But these three are not the only people involved in this small drama. As Ted has his final melancholy conversation with an unresponsive, inflexible Emmett, there's a sudden close up showing a very concerned Ty watching this discussion right before he calls the start of the meeting.

The cut back to Ted and Michael saying their goodbyes seems to be the understated end, Michael's remark about Emmett's Liza impression forgettable. But Emmett's response that he doesn't " think God" appreciates it quite as much " is the catalyst for one of qaf and Ted's finest moments. With Ted's remark, " I think God appreciates it even more.", Em's old friend is shaken completely out of his helplessness as Emmett and Michael give him their full attention. And Ted casts something liken to a spell over his friends as he continues with " Cause he created you in his image, at least that's what I was always taught. And since God is love and God doesn't make mistakes, then you must be exactly the way he wants you to be, the way he intended you to be. And that goes for every person, every planet, every mountain, every grain of sand, every song.., every tear........., and every fa# #ot. We're all his Emmett, ... and he loves us all.", Throughout this lovely monologue, the action is kept almost exclusively between Ted And Emmett, the camera cutting between their closeups. And Ted's plea To Emmett is both touching and near mesmerizing as Ted's demeanor changes from matter of fact to more emotional. First in a hesitation between words that grows ever greater, and an increasing breathlessness in Ted'd voice as he finishes, a subtle emotional transition is revealed that lends impact to Ted's words without being overwrought. And equal to Ted's stellar delivery is the message itself, a touching statement about God's love for everyone. The words are a proclamation of self acceptance and inclusion that can resonate with even the non religious.

When Ted's amazing oralty ends, the already quiet room somehow seems even more quiet. But despite Ted's impassioned worlds, there isn't a noticeable change in Emmett's sour face as we see him in another closeup over Ted's shoulder. However, either due to some small indiscernible shift in expression, or perhaps just this viewer's imagination, Emmett does seem affected by what his best friend has said. Yet Emmett isn't ready to surrender his heterosexual aspirations just yet, as evidenced by his goodbye to Michael. Thought it was was bordering on overkill when Emmett turned his head sharply to avoid a possible mouth kiss from Michael, and it was the most jarring almost false note in the whole scene, but it did make the point. But here again, there are more than three people involved in this situation. The listening of others comes across in foreground /background combined shots. First is a foreground of Heather starring straight ahead but obviously paying heed to the conversation behind her while revealing nothing of what she is thinking. Not so for Ty, who's clearly distressed face is looking right in Emmett's direction as he nervously calls the meeting to start. Events take a sad, defeated turn as Ted and Michael silently and sorrowfully walk away from the meeting, their backs to us. This somber feel is continued with Emmett, now presented in an individual full body background shot. Though his face is mostly hidden, Em's downcast head and drooping posture betray his conflicted state. In the foreground of the same frame is Heather, waiting in the continuously held shot as Emmett tentatively meanders his way back to the seat beside his new "girlfriend". The aura of frustration and confusion is underlined with Emmett exchanging wordless uncomfortable looks with Heather, while Ty is imploring the pair to share their success story. Like that except for one quick shot of the group leader, you only hear Ty's voice as the camera is continuously kept on Heather And Emmett, giving a powerful and relentless look at their discomfort. Also heard but not seen are the murmurs of the group as they await the couple's report, whose persistent disquiet is evident in both party's continually unhappy expressions and Heather's agitated nonstop coffee stirring. The scene ends as the group goes quiet with anticipation, as Heather and Emmett look at each other in uneasy silence.

There is very little to complain about and much to like in Ted and Emmett's "See the Light" scene. But some elements stand out as favorites. Early in the scene, having a bit of comedy within a decidedly uncomedic conversation was an unexpected treat. And a wonderful balance is achieved between genuinely funny dialogue and not so funny goodbyes that allows for some amusing moments that don't compete with the main point of discussion. Also appreciate the transformation during Ted's short soliloquy from hopeful statement to empassioned but controlled plea. And the decision to convey Ted's deep concern and conviction towards Emmett in a retrained quiet way is far more effective than a highly emotional display that might distract from the heartfelt words. But favorite among my favorites was the realism of Emmett being virtually paralyzed after hearing Ted's words, no longer able to commit to his cause but unable to change course. Persuasion is seldom instantaneous, and I like that as the scene ends, Emmett and Heather have yet to act, leaving us with the action slightly suspenseful, and unfinished.











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Liberty Air? What kind of lazy naming is that? They couldn't think up a name that we didn't hear ad nauseum already? It also makes no sense. Why would a conservative airline name themselves after Pittsburgh's gay district? Such a name might be understandable if the company were centered in Washington or Philadelphia and thus have a different connotation for liberty, but it's implied to be a Pittsburgh based operation.

Have always enjoyed all of Vic's expressive shirts. But the blue and cream Hawaiian shirt he wears in the bar scene is a big favorite. The man just looks so good in these colors.

Can't help but notice that both the show's resident alpha males are wearing very dashing winter outerwear this time out. With both Brian and David in long winter coats at that. This is surely no accident.

Could more than do without Michael once again telling Justin he's living in "My room." Michael is my favorite character and even I almost feel like smacking him for going on about this still. Vic is so right when he says "Let it go.".

In the scene where Lindsay yet again hits Brian up for money, Justin takes a long look at Brian's checkbook. And the camera holds our focus on this for some time, so it's clearly supposed to be important. But I can't figure out the relevance of it at all.

David has already noticed Brian's huge roll/ interference in Melanie and Lindsay's relationship. And this is even with David being a relative outsider. Does everyone else truly not see the situation with Mel, Linds, and Brian, are they all in denial, or are they simply refusing to speak of the obvious?

Brian tells Mel he had sex with Kip twice, in the office and in his loft. Take notice of this all you "Brian has only ever had sex with Justin twice" believers. Brian himself has declared he did Kip twice. Hearing it straight from the horse's mouth should be enough for any logical person, but it's not clear if members of the "Never the same ones twice" chorus are logical people.

It really is a major oversight on my part not to notice til this point that David/Chris Potter is left handed. And it is so obvious when you watch the second time. There were several meals where David was eating with his left hand, he even hit Brian in the face with his left.

The almost complete cast change at "See the Light" meetings was a bit jarring. Seemed odd that nearly all the members of the group are different save Emmett and Ty. Not only is Matt missing, but also Ty's incredible wife and Ginger of the ugly shoes. Don't see why they couldn't round up at least some of the same extras even if a bit of time has passed.

Notice that not only is dowdy clothing a requirement for members at the "See the Light" meetings, but plaid seems to be particularly highly recommended. Emmett's shirt, Heather's skirt, the two men seated to Em's right and Ty's collar all sport the pattern.

Good to have Cynthia back. A whole prior episode devoted to Brian's work without her around just seemed so wrong.

Pleased with the generous amount of full frontal male nudity. In this episode alone we get a good look at Emmett's perfect man, a quick peek at Emmett himself, and a few glimpses of one of the dancing boys at Babylon. Don't know why one of Babylon's go go boys is nude, but am perfectly fine with it.

This is the first real good dose of snowy backdrops, something that will become a frequent motif of this show. This would be even more frequent as the series went on, and began filming almost exclusively in the fall and winter.

It is disgusting beyond words that political correctness in this country has gotten so bad that one has to cloak innocuous words as though they are obscenities. Seems that free speech is allowed only for some.




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Thank you Dergil for not allowing the marathon threads to fall off the board! I miss QAF so much and I didn't even get the chance to watch this episode, but reading your review reminded me of the scenes in such a vivid way.

But annoyance turned to anger when David actually physically restrained Michael from calling Brian.
Absolutely agree with this and I dislike David very much because he reminds me a lot of the "typical" straight man in my culture. Worst part is, most women think that this kind of jealousy and possessiveness is a sign of love 

This interlude is thoughtfully written, filmed, and performed, and stands as a fine example of the easy uncomplicated friendship between these two very different people.
Although I don't like Michael's way of comforting his friend, I also appreciate how well this scene is done and it makes their friendship very believable in spite of their difference. If my childhood friend and I met now instead of 22 years ago, there's no way that we'd become friends. We have absolutely nothing in common now but we share such a rich and long history together and this makes our friendship last in the present (and hopefully in the future).

My favorite part of Brian's story was Justin's contribution, which would prove to be invaluable to Brian.
Mine too! I prefer people who actively seek to help instead of trying to make the other person forget their problems (and by action, I also mean good advice or suggestions, it doesn't necessarily mean to actually "do" something) even though Justin's solution was dangerous for both him and Brian.

Shortly after ordering a "stoli", which never fails to bring Patsy Stone to mind
LOL, I had to look it up to see why, I had no clue about the character or the show (it looks interesting)

Or it could be for a more pragmatic reason, as Justin might have feared that having Brian feel beholden to him could eventually breed resentment in his prospective partner
I lean towards this reason the most.

Absolutely in love with the way the rest of this interaction is handled.
Unlike you, I've found the way this was handled way too obvious and the scenario didn't seem very believable to me, the way Justin mentioned his age and dad seemed very awkward (I can't find the right word, lol).

In the opening of his story, Brian already seems slightly cowed by his predicament. In fact, this episode Brian will be the supporting player through most of his own tale.
Wow, that's very interesting, I've never thought of it that way and if the writers did that intentionally and for that purpose, then they're geniuses.

Lindsay is also back, if she ever really stopped, to hitting Brian up for money, even while knowing the lawsuit is straining his finances.
Thank God I don't have "friends" like her! 😬 (just needed an excuse to use one of the Hangout's emoticons! lol)

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Glad to hear from you. And an glad someone appreciates the details in my reviews. But am extremely busy and leaving town right now. So I'll wait for a better time and give a proper response to your comment.

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I find David's attitude very hard to tolerate. While it's true that David does have good reason to be threatened by Michael's friendship with Brian, his way of handling it is completely wrong. And if you really do have to keep your lover totally away from his friend, then the relationship isn't working out to begin with.

Sorry to hear that David's attitude seems to be the norm in your country. As I'm sure I've said before, "Glad I don't live there.".

The scene between Brian and Michael is so well filmed, in such an understated way, that at first one doesn't notice all the detail that's put into the color scheme, camera angles, and even the barely audible but still important background music.

What Justin did to help Brian was priceless in it's importance. But there is still value in having the distraction of forgetting your problems for a few hours.

The show "Absolutely Fabulous" is well known in many gay circles. So it's almost certainty that some of the qaf characters would know who Patsy Stone was.

The more I think about it, the more I believe that Brian discovering that Justin blackmailed Kip would be a disaster. Brian would feel more and resentful while at the same time being begrudgingly grateful. This would eventually lead to something explosive and decidedly bad happening. Given this probability, it's odd that so many viewers are disappointed that Brian never knew what Justin did for him.

Found the awkward way Justin mentioned his age and his dad to ring very true. Justin is still in high school and not an experienced blackmailer, so a more polished approach would seem too professional. If any part of this scene is hard to believe, it's how long it took Kip to catch on.

Never really noticed how barely there Brian is in this episode til reviewing it. This shows surprising subtlety on the writer's part, and makes you wonder how they can be so obvious and so understated at the same time.

Have said this many times but, why didn't they as least once try to explain why Lindsay has such a constant and never ending need for Brian's money.

Have never cared either way for emoticons, but that angry yellow face is awesome.

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The more I think about it, the more I believe that Brian discovering that Justin blackmailed Kip would be a disaster. Brian would feel more and resentful while at the same time being begrudgingly grateful. This would eventually lead to something explosive and decidedly bad happening. Given this probability, it's odd that so many viewers are disappointed that Brian never knew what Justin did for him.

I agree, but I have conflicting feelings about it: I do want Brian to know that Justin saved him but at the same time, you're right, it would change the whole dynamic in their relationship. Maybe a more mature Brian in later seasons might be able to handle it.

Have said this many times but, why didn't they as least once try to explain why Lindsay has such a constant and never ending need for Brian's money.

I keep hoping that some of the lucky fans who get to meet Cowlip would ask them that!


Sorry it's taking me so long to reply!

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Eventually, Ted and Michael go to See the Light and to tell Emmett that they still love him no matter what.


Ted’s speech to Emmett was one of the best monologues/speeches/quotes ever on this show, and there have been a lot of great ones! I adore Ted.

I had the impression they were just trying to make a point about Brian's deep financial crisis. And this is something else I can't understand: how can a susscessful ad execute who makes tons of money runs out of money only a few days he is not working? How is that possible that he has no savings?


I also question that a bit, but keep in mind that Brian has *very* expensive tastes. A designer wardrobe to die for, expensive furnishings, artwork, appliances, etc. He owns his loft, but I’m sure he has a mortgage with high monthly payments, and probably pays quite a bit in property tax. Not to mention, with such a high salary, I’m sure he’s in a higher tax bracket. I don’t find it that unbelievable that he could lose what savings he has very quickly.

Even if he is let go, the company does not give him any compensation after years of work?


Well, here in the US, if he was fired for cause (the alleged ‘sexual harrassment’ of Kip), not to mention being sued, he probably wouldn’t get any kind of severance package.

But annoyance turned to anger when David actually physically restrained Michael from calling Brian. David added to this outrage by having the nerve to forbid Michael to see Brian.


Ugh, this is the ep where my hate for Dr. David was cemented! He was always so controlling of Michael (in general, but especially where Brian was concerned), but this was the last straw IMO. And I think there are two things at play here: Michael, although I’m sure he loves David (although maybe not in love with him, as he ends up being with Ben), feels pressure by his family and friends (mostly Debbie) to land a hot doctor, and have the lifestyle that goes with it. It's like he has to talk himself into the relationship at times. Secondly, David is very possessive of Michael, to the extreme, because he has a vision of what he wants his life to be like, and that includes a cute ‘wife’ like Michael. Unfortunately, Mikey isn’t ready to take that plunge yet, and definitely not with David!

But because this is television, where all misguided plans must be exposed, David finds out the truth about Michael when he visits Debbie with some soup.


Of course David would suck up to Michael’s mom like that!

Once again, Brian is performing a great kindness couched in the behavior of an a**hole.


Of course! That’s totally his style. Even if Michael wasn’t the reason for his ‘tough love’, he can’t just do a nice thing, or warn someone in a nice way. He always has to keep up his image of not caring about anything or anyone. But we all know better!

Michael might have a "sculpted torso", but all I can see is that annoying patch of chest hair


Aah yes, Mikey’s disappearing/reappearing chest hair! I think it finally went away for good soon after this. Call me strange, but I’m not a fan of hairy chests. My husband is very hairy, and I love it on him, but go figure!

The interior beauty is Brian, looking almost too perfect in a light brown mid calf length coat, which he doesn't take off even as he sits to discuss his case. This is surely because Brian knows how good he looks and would rather run the risk of being uncomfortable or looking odd than missing the chance to display himself in his exceptional outerwear as much as possible.


I thought that restaurant was gorgeous, but I agree that Brian was the most beautiful thing in it! I (mostly) love his wardrobe, and Mel always looks gorgeously dressed as well. Those two would make a beautiful baby IRL, but alas, on the show it was not to be (and for the better, for sure)

And love the multi-colored outfit Gus sports. Find the ill fitting and homemade quality of the knitted baby sweater charming. And adore the matching stocking cap with pom pom, another of the cute baby hats we'll see throughout the season.


Gus always had such cute hats throughout the series! I think the costume designer for this show was brilliant.

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I also question that a bit, but keep in mind that Brian has *very* expensive tastes. A designer wardrobe to die for, expensive furnishings, artwork, appliances, etc. He owns his loft, but I’m sure he has a mortgage with high monthly payments, and probably pays quite a bit in property tax. Not to mention, with such a high salary, I’m sure he’s in a higher tax bracket. I don’t find it that unbelievable that he could lose what savings he has very quickly.

Good point. And still he is generoud enough to share the little he has with Lindsay (oh, how I hate her!)


I thought that restaurant was gorgeous, but I agree that Brian was the most beautiful thing in it! I (mostly) love his wardrobe, and Mel always looks gorgeously dressed as well. Those two would make a beautiful baby IRL, but alas, on the show it was not to be (and for the better, for sure)

Elegant, sophisticated reataurant indeed. The producers manage to make Melanie look gorgeous with almost no makeup and without eleborate clothes. Well, Michelle is a beautiful woman, although I hate some of the clothes they pick up for her. Too lawyerly, too serious for such a young woman, sometimes. Some of her shoes are sensible shoes, look like a nurse's shoes. I'm not a fan of the her hair in this Season either. I think she will be better dressed in season 4 and 5.

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