............Thoughts on ep 117 pt 1 of 2
..............Main points
Justin's story begins with the fallout from Debbie's idiotic idea for Justin to start a gay/straight student alliance at his school, even though he'd be out of there for good in less than six months. It's hard to hear other students openly calling Justin names and feeling free to damage his locker and it's contents. It's harder still to realize that his sort of thing really can happen, particularly in private schools. And in a bit of irony that television loves so much, before he saw his locker Justin seemed ready to drop the whole club thing on his own. But now, it's a cause.
When an outraged Justin later tells Deb, Vic, and Jennifer his books and drawings were ruined, most likely by Chris Hobbes, everyone has a different solution. Vic's direct approach is to simply "go and beat the #!it out of him". Have to say, Vic's idea is my personal favorite. Even though Justin doesn't live at home anymore, it's still somewhat disturbing to find that Jennifer wasn't aware of the club Justin tried to form or that it was disallowed, supposedly due to a technicality. When Vic tells Justin this was probably just an excuse, Deb has to go and chastise him for messing with Justin's idealism. Seems it's fine for Debbie to fill Justin's head with nonsense about how all it takes is some effort and persuasion for all the homophobes to come around and embrace their gay brethren. But it's not okay for Deb's brother to educate Justin to the hard truth. Being his mother, Jennifer is understandably protective, suggesting Justin keep his head down and ride out the whole ordeal. But it's equally understandable that an angry violated Justin can't fathom this idea, as he asks his mother if she wants him to be intimidated his whole life. Debbie can't keep silent of course, cheering on the determination of "Sunshine" to fight. She even has the audacity to order Jennifer to stand with Justin in his battle. Glad that Jennifer finally told Deb to stay out of the conversation at his point, but think Jen was way too nice about it. What's really needed is for somebody to tell Deb to shut the !#ck up, and mind her own damn business. Justin's answer to his mother is to launch into a rousing passionate mini speech about speaking out even when other's don't want to hear you. Nice words, but were this viewer one of his parents, it would take more than this to be convinced. But it's enough for Jennifer, especially when Justin says she and his dad taught him these values. Though it's a nice sentiment, it's strange that Justin includes his father as a role model considering Craig's attitude about his son's sexual orientation.
Having discovered along with his mother that Vic was right about his gay club being deliberately excluded, Justin moves on to public protest on the steps on his school. Like the opening overhead birds eye view of the demonstration displaying a respectable number of protesters and the ever present snow. Justin, Daphne, and Deb are leading the protest chant, but it's bothersome that Jennifer's conspicuous absence is never explained. Glad we didn't have to wait long for the principal to wade through the crowd to be confronted by Justin. But while pleased with the protest's ultimate triumph, thought it could have been handled better. This being with the principal having no intention of backing down and threatening to call the police as everyone is trespassing on private property. Senator Baxter comes to the rescue that very second, and she's brought the press. By this point in the episode, all the perfect timing had worn out it's welcome long ago. But I did like exposure of the little known fact that a lot of private schools and universities get public funding, yet still expect to be allowed to exclude certain members of that same public. Yes, they want to have it both ways. And they will get away with having it both ways if no one dares to oppose them
In the end the "small victory" is small indeed, as it turns out to be the mere promise that the principal at Saint James will submit Justin's club proposal to the school board. But Justin seems satisfied at the celebratory meal at Debbie's home. However, things get darker visually and psychologically as Justin steps out the back door into the night air where Brian is already smoking. Brian sarcastically intones something about everything working out happily ever after. It's touching that Justin's hopeful remark thanking the Senator shows Brian hasn't shaken his faith. And as much as this viewer hates the way Debbie fills Justin's head with unrealistic expectations, Brian's cynical claim that Senator Baxter is only using the boy to get votes is little better. Fortunately we see that Brian is not just about crapping all over Justin's good time when he offers some useful advise about not ever thinking you've won. And this short statement on the evils of complacency serves not only Justin, but all oppressed people. Imagery takes over as Justin stands next to Brian and both fall silent as light snow comes down around them. The juvenile thing with the cigarette almost breaks the spell following Brian's warning about the dire consequences of ever thinking the struggle is over. But the asinine smoke trick is forgotten when Brian puts his arm around Justin. Must admit, they do make a good looking couple most of the time. When Justin speaks again, he expresses an almost childlike confidence in Brian's ability to protect him. A point Justin emphases by putting his head on Brian's shoulder. This heavy burden so suddenly thrust upon him hits Brian pretty hard as his worried look plainly shows even in the dark. Like the heavy unacknowledged emotion that hangs in the air when the pair look at each other, then look away as Brian stares straight ahead while Justin's gaze turns toward the sky. Despite the heavy subject matter, it's a very aesthetically pleasing scene, with Brian and Justin evenly lit to create a pleasant effect with their faces but still allow them to stand out noticeably but not starkly from the dark background. But the muted beauty does not distract from the message. Even on first viewing and having not been spoiled, Brian's words as well as the sedately somber mood contain a sense of foreboding. And as the two men look into the Pittsburgh night, there's an unmistakable warning of troubled times ahead. As the scene concludes the camera pulls upward, high above a bare branched tree in Deb's snowy backyard, where Brian and Justin are but small figures in the lower right corner of the frame.
In spite of the fact that it was her dumbass idea to split from Linds in the first place, one has to feel a bit bad for Mel as she tries to reconnect with Lindsay at David's house. Especially when an innocent comment about Gus quickly leads to Lindsay bragging about how well the arrangement with the Frenchman is working, sidestepping Mel's attempt to get back in her good graces. Can't decide if Lindsay is totally unable to comprehend how her words affect Mel, or if she knows exactly how deeply they cut her ex partner. Think Melanie is remarkedly calm about all this, her only response being a fading smile. And even when the news gets much worse, with Gui's imminent deportation forcing a wedding next week, Mel hold's her tongue in the house. Once outside however, Mel goes on about what a disaster this all is and how she's to blame . Must say this viewer will have to agree with Mel about that. And it's rather surprising that the usually alarmist Ted and Emmett can't see the problem, while Brian not so surprisingly, is totally bored with what he sees as Mel's overreaction. Melanie is so alone in this.
Mel is correct when she says Gus is getting bigger. Not only that, but this is the cutest Gus they've had in some time. And this baby is very animated with eyes wide open, no alternately sleeping and waking this time around. Really enjoy how vocal and responsive to Lindsay Gus is, as he playfully and repeatedly touches her face. And after the rather boring infant gear he sported while under Brian's care, Gus is back to another attention grabbing ensemble. his time it's a wonderfully bizarre green sweater with an extremely pebbly nubby texture. Topping this off is a hat in a different hue of green with a pointed tip twisted round and round into a knotted top. Simply can't get enough of those flamboyant baby hats.
As always seems to be the case when he's in a scene with Mel or Linds, Brian is by far the best looking thing in the room. And it's no different here as Brian reclines on Lindsay's bed looking nearly perfect in a well fitting black suit. Brian's visage is so commanding that Lindsay becomes part of the background as she views herself in a wedding dress and veil. As she twirls around and gives Brian and the viewer a better look, the full ugliness of the gown is astounding. But while it might seem unlikely that Lindsay would really choose such a hideous dress, there is fun to be had from it, so who cares. Having Brian call it a "horror movie", and Gui almost comically understating that the dress will take "a lot of work", are worth the slight doubt in validity alone. It also wouldn't do to have a beautiful, tasteful gown on display for an audience who opposes the wedding itself.
But fun with the ugly gown leads to an unsurprising admission on Lindsay's part that she's always fantasized about being a bride. At one point, Brian stands beside Linds, their reflection seen through the mirror makes the pair look very much like a couple in a wedding portrait, something doubtless not lost on Lindsay. And in what seems to be a revelation, or in my case a confirmation of what I'd already believed, when Brian tells Linds she's marrying the wrong person, her immediate response is "You never asked me.". Brian instantly blows this off with "I mean Melanie.", but why? Has Brian really not noticed that Linds behaves as if she's practically, if not actually in love with him? At the very least she's been hung up on him for years. And even Brian says Lindsay loves him more than she loves Melanie. So it's hard to buy that Brian's clueless or even in denial about Lindsay's feelings. And with all the talk of Mel's infidelity or Linds withholding affection, this fixation Lindsay has on Brian is probably the biggest problem these women face as a couple, yet it's rarely mentioned.
It's strange hearing Brian plead Mel's case, a woman he normally seems to despise. But think Brian's action might have more to do with how much more he dislike's Gui, or views him as a bigger threat than any new found fondness for Melanie. And Gui's presence does loom large over this entire episode, with his household skills, ability to match Brian's penchant for sarcasm, and most insidiously, as a surrogate father to Gus.
There is a trio of short but important scenes, some better than others, that all help turn the tide in hopes for a reconciliation between the women and more importantly, get Brian to act. It's a definite sign of a thaw between the former partners when Lindsay calls Mel on the phone to sing a cranky Gus to calmness. Gus looks adorable as Linds holds the phone up to his ear. And as much as I love the hats, it's also nice to get this rare glimpse of the baby's head, which now has a decent amount of hair. But the tune Mel sings is one this viewer never liked, and later grew to hate thanks to some Julia Roberts movie. And this unfortunately, effects my fondness for this whole interaction.
Much more fun is a new round of verbal sparring between Gui and Brian at a produce market. With the baby in tow, Gui deals best line with his "Look Gus. Your sperm donor.", as both men downplay the tense dialog by going about their shopping. And Gus is quite a sight wearing a one piece suit that completely encases his arms and legs. In fact, the snow flaked patterned outfit is so voluminous it actually wears the baby. Very soon the baby's father and unofficial guardian's traded remarks about hygiene and risky lifestyles give way to Brian's indirect threat to report Gui's marriage plans. Though not particularly fond of Gui, liked that he was clever enough to immediately return this with a volley of his own about Lindsay possibly going to jail if that happened. Which makes it all the more bothersome when Gui is revealed to be stupid enough to make a comment about adopting Gus before he has secured his marriage with Lindsay. Although we know little about Gui, this does appear to be an uncharacteristically dumb move on his part. But perhaps another chance to stick a pin in Brian was just too mach to resist. The adoption idea does shut Brian up, but it also gets him worried, which is a very bad thing for Guillaume.
Really dislike the exchange between Brian and Justin at the loft as I find Justin beyond exasperating here. First Justin tells Brian he's not a bad father and loves Gus. Did like the touching seconds when Brian admitted he never thought he would love his son. But then Justin starts needling Brian about Gus growing up speaking French and declaring that Brian will never be a full time dad. This from the person who all too recently gave Brian grief for planning to sign over his parental rights. But as the next scene will reveal, we are apparently suppose to glean from this that Justin now thinks Brian should sign over his rights after all. The purpose of it all seems to be an explanation for what Brian does later. But the confusion as to what Justin was trying to say about Brian's fathering abilities, makes the Gus discussion in this last scene a failure in my opinion.
As Lindsay and Gui go about leaving for their marriage license in a rushed, hectic, agitated manner, it's implied that a lot of things have gone wrong this day to make their delayed departure seem like some cosmic interference, resulting in their still being home when Brian and Mel come calling. Don't know if it was intended, but it reminds one of the little things that caused delays when Brian was supposed to sign over his parental rights at an earlier date.
Gus is not nearly as animated as he was previously. He's not sleeping but, the baby isn't moving or babbling either, which seems a little odd. But his clothes are as eye catching as ever. This time Gus sports a wholly looking blue knitted outfit with a matching multi tasseled cap that so envelopes the child, his face is barely visible. But as this scene's Gus appears to be impersonating an inanimate object, it's just as well. Perhaps this is being overly critical, having been spoiled by a far more lively Gus earlier in the episode. But how can one not be disappointed to start with so energetic an infant only to close with a baby that appears to have been given mild tranquilizers.
But it's not just the baby that isn't moving in this scene which gets the future green card couple Brian and Mel's unwelcome presence. Like the way the camera follows Brian with a frontal view so we see his determined expression as he goes charging into the house and doesn't stop til he's in the living room. And Brian remains the focal point with Mel bringing up the rear and Lindsay trying in vain to explain the need for them to leave. Everyone is a background player for Brian when Linds' failure to oust him and Mel prompts Gui to attempt removal of the unwanted gusts, which in turn spurs Brian to action as he tells everyone to "Sit down and shut up.". As the rare individual who is not under Brian's spell, Gui resists this aggressive action. But Lindsay, who is as always, hung up on Brian, takes his side against her prospective future partner, just as she always did with her former partner. So, every one sits down and shuts up. What follows is in this viewer's opinion the most entertaining moment in the episode as Brian launches into a weary voiced monologue about how he doesn't want to hear anymore from Mel or Linds about how " This is my fault. No it's my fault, I'm to blame. No I'm to blame.", and so on. Predictably, this causes the women to go into another round of "it really was my fault", that is only saved from being completely tiresome due to the twin consternated looks of Brian and Gui, and the comic effect of Mel's hair, clothes and sitting position making her look so much like a boy, she comes off as a caricature of a typical male.
Still, no one is sorry when Brian puts a quick end to the self blame fest by dramatically throwing his parental rights papers on the coffee table, where Gui can be prominently seen in the background. Was confused and a little disappointed in Mel for being so moved by Brian's gesture, since he was supposed to sign over his rights from the beginning. But Melanie does redeem herself quite a bit when she calls Brian on what is in fact, a bribe. Like that Brian doesn't sugarcoat or deny the bribe accusation, but instead, suggests that the women take a more pragmatic approach to his offer. It's always a treat to see Brian, ever the one who can get things done, when he's actually in action. The only fly in the ointment is Brian's talk about Gus needing to have two parents who love him and love each other , seems a bit, as he might put it, too "lesbionic" for him. But this is a minor complaint.
The reconciliation between Melanie and Lindsay was gently handled and kind of nice. But it would have been a lot more touching if it didn't seem that Mel could do a lot better. Linds probably does love Mel after a fashion, but Lindsay will always love Brian Kinney more. Melanie deserves, as does everyone, a partner who will put her first in life. She will never have that with Linds. However, one needs only witness her treatment of Gui to see that Lindsay has other serious shortcomings. Lindsay doesn't even seem to remember Gui til he asks what will become of him. And then the best she can do is offer a halfhearted apology with barely a glance in his direction. No matter what one might feel about the Frenchman, Lindsay's flippant attitude and seeming lack of remorse over leaving a friend in the lurch shows some serious lack of character. But this fickle flighty entitled woman who claims to be a lesbian yet longs for a gay man is what Melanie wants. Sometimes there's just no saving people from their poor choices.
..........end pt 1 of 2
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Golden_Gardenia
10 years ago
Always a pelasure to read yout thoughts, dergil! Glad to see that you had the time to write your review in detail, I had so little time, couldn't go over all the details, but had a great time reading yours! I'm afraid we don't agree much on the first part of your review (Justin's sory line).
Justin's story begins with the fallout from Debbie's idiotic idea for Justin to start a gay/straight student alliance at his school, even though he'd be out of there for good in less than six months.
I was wondering why you think Deb's idea was idiotic, I think it was extremely educational for Justin, no matter how long he would be in school. He and Daphne planted the seed. I remember that in Season 4 he introduced Daphne to Cody and said he and Daphne started the GSA in his school, somebody else must have continued the club. In my opinion, Deb thaught Justin to fight for justice. Only Deb could have done that. Justin's Mom would never advise him to put himself in danger for a cause. brian doesn't believe in this kind of initiative, and I think this is something he will learn from Justin (first with GSA, later with Justin's activism agains Stockwell). Maybe Mel and Lindsay would encourage Justin to start GSA, hadn't been so busy with their own separat lives.
It's hard to hear other students openly calling Justin names and feeling free to damage his locker and it's contents. It's harder still to realize that his sort of thing really can happen, particularly in private schools. And in a bit of irony that television loves so much, before he saw his locker Justin seemed ready to drop the whole club thing on his own. But now, it's a cause.
Exactly. Deb educated Justin better than the school, which was supposedly sheltering all diversity. There's no better education than activism for fustice. The real education should teach students to be conscious and critic of reality and not to obey to the unfair rules. Sorry for being so insistent about this but this is exactly my job here in Brazil. I offer teacher training about gender relations and diversity so they can educat their students about it.
When an outraged Justin later tells Deb, Vic, and Jennifer his books and drawings were ruined, most likely by Chris Hobbes, everyone has a different solution. Vic's direct approach is to simply "go and beat the #!it out of him". Have to say, Vic's idea is my personal favorite.
I understand, but this is not the most effective way. It's amazing what we can do when we educate people. Once I had a teacher in one of my long term trainings who was totally transphobic at the beginning of the course. She told the class that she had a transexual girl student in her class but she refused to call her by her chosen female social name. She called her by her birth male name and she never responded to that, she just kept silent. And the teacher marked she was absent, ever though she was seeing the girl in front of her. At the end of this training this teacher (in tears) told us that for the first time she called the girl by her chosen name when checking students' presence, and for the first time the girl (also in tears) looked at her and said: "here". Everybody in my class was in tears when this teacher told us that she would never forgive herself for treating this transexual girl with so much disrespect and was feeling so gilty not only for causing this girl so much pain but also for teaching the other students to be disrespectful. Yes, I believe we can do a lot with education.
When Vic tells Justin this was probably just an excuse, Deb has to go and chastise him for messing with Justin's idealism. Seems it's fine for Debbie to fill Justin's head with nonsense about how all it takes is some effort and persuasion for all the homophobes to come around and embrace their gay brethren. But it's not okay for Deb's brother to educate Justin to the hard truth.
I think Deb wanted to make sure to teach Justin that we have to fight for social justice, no matter whether the enemy is powerful or not. But I agree that Deb could have said: "Yes, there will be obstacles, society is unfair, but we have to fight the system anyway." Not only she educated Justin but she was there for him in the first meeting to make sure he would be safe and he knew he was not alone. Not even his mom was there.
Being his mother, Jennifer is understandably protective, suggesting Justin keep his head down and ride out the whole ordeal. But it's equally understandable that an angry violated Justin can't fathom this idea, as he asks his mother if she wants him to be intimidated his whole life.
Even tough I can understand Jennifer's stand on this, she's his mom and is afraid that something worse could happen to him, I don't agree with her. She is a hypocrite, first she teaches Justin that it's important to fight for justice, but when a real problem happens she changes his min and asks him to let it go? This is not education.
Debbie can't keep silent of course, cheering on the determination of "Sunshine" to fight.
I LOVE DEBBIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Something comes to my mind though. I have a feeling Deb might have tried to educate Michael the same way when he was a teenager, but was unsuccessful, and Michael turned out to be closeted in his social circles except for family. In so many levels Justin is so much braver and mature than Michael. Or, maybe Deb didn't try to educate Michael and chickened out the same way Jennifer is doing and because she was afraid he could suffer some kind of violence in school. In that case, she would be trying to do the right thing with Justin, feeling guilted for not having encouraged Michael to be brave. Well, we'll never know, but these possibilities came to my mind.
She even has the audacity to order Jennifer to stand with Justin in his battle.
I'm not sure if Deb should have said that to Jennifer, even though I totally agree with her. Jennifer has her own way of dealing with things and Deb should respect Jennifer's opinion at that moment.
Glad that Jennifer finally told Deb to stay out of the conversation at his point, but think Jen was way too nice about it.
Again, I disagree. When not even Jennifer had the balls to confront her husband and get Justin back home, when Justin had no place to live, who was there to help him? Deb!!!! The way I see it, Deb has all the right in the world to have a say in Justin's education. If Jennifer had acted as a real mother in confronting her husband in being on her son's side, she would have this right.
Justin, Daphne, and Deb are leading the protest chant, but it's bothersome that Jennifer's conspicuous absence is never explained.
BINGO. I'm not surprised at all.
By this point in the episode, all the perfect timing had worn out it's welcome long ago. But I did like exposure of the little known fact that a lot of private schools and universities get public funding, yet still expect to be allowed to exclude certain members of that same public. Yes, they want to have it both ways. And they will get away with having it both ways if no one dares to oppose them.
In Brazil no private schools or universities can get public funds, whether they are for profit or non profit. However, private schools have to follow the same legislation applied to public schools, except secular education, considering that some schools are religious.
It's touching that Justin's hopeful remark thanking the Senator shows Brian hasn't shaken his faith.
I guess we all hav that kind of hope when we're young, before reality changes our mind.
And as much as this viewer hates the way Debbie fills Justin's head with unrealistic expectations, Brian's cynical claim that Senator Baxter is only using the boy to get votes is little better.
And I feel that among all the negativity around Justin's plans to fight back (Brian's, Vic's, Jennifer's and the school board), I feel so happy that there is Debbie to give the boy some hope, otherwise, Justin could just grab a gun and shoot teachers and students in his school. That's what can happen and has happened to many bullied kids in the US. Thank God there are Debbies around the world, who doesn't take no for an answer and is brave enough to fight back. Justin ould use the balance. Deb's the only one supporting him.
(To be continued)
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dergil27
10 years ago
response to Golden_Gardenia post 17:52:09,
I think Debbie's idea for Justin to start a gay/straight alliance in his school was idiotic because of the timing. Justin had only a few months to graduation and at that time was still interested in attending Dartmouth. His activism caused great resistance among the school faculty and could have placed his diploma in danger. Not because the school might withhold it, although that is a possibility, but because Justin would need to concentrate on the task at hand, which is making it out of St. James in good standing. There would be plenty of time for protest later.
As said before, not saying activism is a bad thing, actually believe in it whole heartedly. But also once again, sometimes one just doesn't have the time, and this was the case for Justin. And Justin was lucky that Senator Baxter intervened, as things could have gone far less well. And had things gone against Justin the only thing he might be educated about is how much harder it is to find employment without a diploma.
Everybody in your class was in tears? Hate to sound abrasive here, but you must have the most sensitive group of students in the world.
I get the idea that Michael chose not to be out at all times partly because of the world he lives in, a world where there is a lot of homophobia. It's easy to say one should always be out when they live in a gay neighborhood, work in a gay diner, and have a homosexual brother and son. Also Debbie lays the "I love my gay son" on pretty think. Can imagine Michael would get pretty tired of that over the years. It brings to mind the pilot, wherein Michael was telling Deb something to the effect that he was going home to his gay apartment and get in his gay bed ect.
Don't see Justin as ever grabbing a gun and shooting up the school. As I recall he was raised to be quite opposed to weapons. And considering who he didn't fire upon in a much later season, really doubt he'd shoot people at random.
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Golden_Gardenia
10 years ago
I think Debbie's idea for Justin to start a gay/straight alliance in his school was idiotic because of the timing.
Although the timing might have been wrong, the fact that Justin put his beliefs about justice and equality above his individual interest makes his actions even more valuable for me. He decided to do what was right, not only for him, but to start something that might become important for future students of this school. I might think different if his activism had actually hurt his academic achievement, which definetly didn't, afte all "the lad is a genious", ad brian put it in Season 4. i wish we had more people like that in the world.
Everybody in your class was in tears? Hate to sound abrasive here, but you must have the most sensitive group of students in the world.
When a former homophobe teacher finally realizes how much his/her actions have hurt a student, and starts feeling sorry for being such a jerk for so long, it is a very emotional moment, dergil. When you work directly with people trying to change the way they learned how to feel their whole lives, and they finally understand it, it is a very emotional moment. Most of the teachers in the classes I teach are there just because the school demanded that training. It's not easy to get through to them and show them they need to put themselves in the student's shoes so they understand what is really going on. Some of the teachers finish the course as homophobe as they started. But sometimes there is significant change. This case I told you about touched me deeply because that teacher was brave enough to speak up, to the others he was a homophobe but he was trying to change. No, they are not sensitive, they are humans. Humans can change. Some humans work for this change. Justin is one of them. Others just ignore it, pretend that's not happening because they feel it's not their business to fight for other people's cases. You can make a difference NOW. Later doesn't exist.
I get the idea that Michael chose not to be out at all times partly because of the world he lives in, a world where there is a lot of homophobia.
Exactly my point. Living in the closet and feeling sorry for himself does not help to chance anything. Justin chose to be different and this is why I admire him. So much more mature than Michael.
It's easy to say one should always be out when they live in a gay neighborhood, work in a gay diner, and have a homosexual brother and son. Also Debbie lays the "I love my gay son" on pretty think. Can imagine Michael would get pretty tired of that over the years. It brings to mind the pilot, wherein Michael was telling Deb something to the effect that he was going home to his gay apartment and get in his gay bed ect.
Well, Michael had all the support a gay boy could get to be an out and pround homosexual, but he chose not to. We don't know his whole story, so it wouldn't be fair to judge him. Justin came out to his conservative family early in life and never came back to the closet.
Don't see Justin as ever grabbing a gun and shooting up the school. As I recall he was raised to be quite opposed to weapons. And considering who he didn't fire upon in a much later season, really doubt he'd shoot people at random.
In the past decades, we all have seen real American teens with access to lethal weapons shoot teachers and students in American schools for being bullied or troubled somehow. Maybe if these teens were taught to fight their battles in a different way - in activism, for instance - they didn't have to feel the need to shoot people or to take their own lives. Maybe if there were more Debs in the world encouraging teens to speak up and be brave, a lot of pain would have been avoided. Just a guess.
If Justin wants golden gardenias, he should have golden gardenias! Brian Kinney
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Golden_Gardenia
10 years ago
In spite of the fact that it was her dumbass idea to split from Linds in the first place, one has to feel a bit bad for Mel as she tries to reconnect with Lindsay at David's house.
Yes, and that makes Lindsay look dumber and dumber with that ridiculous wedding scheme.
Can't decide if Lindsay is totally unable to comprehend how her words affect Mel, or if she knows exactly how deeply they cut her ex partner. Think Melanie is remarkedly calm about all this, her only response being a fading smile.
Sometimes I think she wants to hurt Mel by showing her how her bad ctions affected deeply Kindsay's and Gus' lives. Honestly, I look at those two and immediately look away to Brian and Justin who are far more interesting with their delicious kissing in the dark.
Mel is correct when she says Gus is getting bigger. Not only that, but this is the cutest Gus they've had in some time. And this baby is very animated with eyes wide open, no alternately sleeping and waking this time around.
I think this is one of the babies of episode 115, the smaller one, even though he s really getting bigger.
Really enjoy how vocal and responsive to Lindsay Gus is, as he playfully and repeatedly touches her face.
I think this is the kind of baby who smiles to everyone and touches everyone. Thea does not convince me as a mother. I've seen lots of pictures of Michelle Clunie holding her new baby on Facebook recently. It's so funny that these pictures remind me of Melanie holding baby Gus.
As always seems to be the case when he's in a scene with Mel or Linds, Brian is by far the best looking thing in the room.
YES! YES! YES! .
And it's no different here as Brian reclines on Lindsay's bed looking nearly perfect in a well fitting black suit. Brian's visage is so commanding that Lindsay becomes part of the background as she views herself in a wedding dress and veil. As she twirls around and gives Brian and the viewer a better look, the full ugliness of the gown is astounding.
Totally agree. Lindsay is so frumpy in general, bu shet gets to look frumpier in wedding dress. In her real wedding with Mel in Season 2, Deb made her a hideous dress. Hideous, hideous. In my opinion Lindz becomes less frumpy as of season 3, when she starts working in that art gallery.
At one point, Brian stands beside Linds, their reflection seen through the mirror makes the pair look very much like a couple in a wedding portrait, something doubtless not lost on Lindsay.
Yes, and I'm sure this is why they put Gale in a suit, so they could look like a couple getting married. This is the only time I remember seeing Brian in a suit in their house. That reflection of the couple in the mirror, in my opinion, makes it clear that the producers wanted to lead us to think about Lindsay and Brian as a couple, of course that dream materializes something that has crossed Lindsay's mind, she says it herself in season 3.
And in what seems to be a revelation, or in my case a confirmation of what I'd already believed, when Brian tells Linds she's marrying the wrong person, her immediate response is "You never asked me."
Exactly!!!!!
Brian instantly blows this off with "I mean Melanie.", but why? Has Brian really not noticed that Linds behaves as if she's practically, if not actually in love with him? At the very least she's been hung up on him for years.
I think he noticed but doens't want to embarrass Lindsay. I don't think he gives her any chance to talk about her feelings, or even express her feelings. On the contrary, despite his dislike for Mel, he feels that Mel and Lindsay should be together.
And with all the talk of Mel's infidelity or Linds withholding affection, this fixation Lindsay has on Brian is probably the biggest problem these women face as a couple, yet it's rarely mentioned.
Agree. This is really an obssession. She didn't even considered Mel's feelings or opinions when she decided to ask Brain to father her baby.
It's strange hearing Brian plead Mel's case, a woman he normally seems to despise. But think Brian's action might have more to do with how much more he dislike's Gui, or views him as a bigger threat than any new found fondness for Melanie.
Agree. Gui's so obnoxious, he made it clear that wanted Brian to keep his distance after the wedding. I guess the perspective of not seeing Gus bothered Brian a lot.
And Gui's presence does loom large over this entire episode, with his household skills, ability to match Brian's penchant for sarcasm, and most insidiously, as a surrogate father to Gus.
As Brian says, a Coco Chanel. Is there anything this Gui can't do? He's like Martha Stewart with French accent.
If Justin wants golden gardenias, he should have golden gardenias! Brian Kinney
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dergil27
10 years ago
Mel and Lindsay really are continuing to be ridiculous. First Mel moves out over a one night stand even after Linds said she could stay. And then Lindsay seemingly overnight moving in a Frenchmen for a green card marriage. These women just seem to manufacture problems for themselves.
Didn't mean to say the baby being so animated was due to Thea Gill in particular. Just meant that the baby was very lively. It's very possible that this baby would be friendly with anybody. But we don't know this for certain. And though it may or may not have been done here, it's common for actors to handle the babies they'll be working with so they might better respond to them.
Brian and Linds as a wedding couple is totally on purpose. But while Lindsay looking awful was also deliberate, the truth of the matter is that Brian would be the more beautiful half of that pretend couple no matter how they dressed Lindsay.
Agree that Linds is obsessed with Brian. But can't decide if Brian is in denial about Lindsay's obsession with him, or just refuses to allow her to express it. He does seem to swiftly wave aside her totally uncalled for attempts to express longing for him. But at the same time, if he knew of her feelings why would he allow himself to be put in the trap of being tied to Lindsay forever by agreeing to father Gus?
Think Lindsay's lack of consideration for Mel's feelings started way before insisting that Brian be the father of her baby. Lindsay had no consideration for Mel's feeling when she became romantically involved with her knowing full well she'd(Lindsay)always want Brian more.
Gui really is like a French Martha Stewart. And he's a little too handy to be believed. But then so is Martha Stewart.
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Golden_Gardenia
10 years ago
Mel and Lindsay really are continuing to be ridiculous. First Mel moves out over a one night stand even after Linds said she could stay. And then Lindsay seemingly overnight moving in a Frenchmen for a green card marriage. These women just seem to manufacture problems for themselves.
That's right. My grandma udes to say that certain people cannot live without drama. so, they are the people always in trouble. They cannot stand peace an quiet.
And though it may or may not have been done here, it's common for actors to handle the babies they'll be working with so they might better respond to them.
I wonder if the actors spend some time with the babies they're gonna act with. And I wonder how Gale did that with these babies! he looks so cute with Gus!
But while Lindsay looking awful was also deliberate, the truth of the matter is that Brian would be the more beautiful half of that pretend couple no matter how they dressed Lindsay.
No doubt about that! Once I saw apicture of Gale and Thea in a funraising garden party, ad they looked soooooo good together. That doesn't happen in this show.
But can't decide if Brian is in denial about Lindsay's obsession with him, or just refuses to allow her to express it. He does seem to swiftly wave aside her totally uncalled for attempts to express longing for him. But at the same time, if he knew of her feelings why would he allow himself to be put in the trap of being tied to Lindsay forever by agreeing to father Gus?
That's a good question. I think Brian's relationship with Linsday is similar to his relationship with Michael. They both worship him, and he likes having that kind of power over them. It's good for his sel-esteem, I think. Both Lindsay's and Michael's partners feel jealous, they feel threatened by Brian. But they accept Brian to some extent otherwise they would lose their partners.
If Justin wants golden gardenias, he should have golden gardenias! Brian Kinney
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10 years ago
But the tune Mel sings is one this viewer never liked, and later grew to hate thanks to some Julia Roberts movie. And this unfortunately, effects my fondness for this whole interaction.
Hahahahaha! I love that song. I already loved it when sung my Dione Warwick and Aretha Franklin, loved even more after the Julia Roberts movie!
Much more fun is a new round of verbal sparring between Gui and Brian at a produce market. With the baby in tow, Gui deals best line with his "Look Gus. Your sperm donor.", as both men downplay the tense dialog by going about their shopping. And Gus is quite a sight wearing a one piece suit that completely encases his arms and legs. In fact, the snow flaked patterned outfit is so voluminous it actually wears the baby.
Gus looks so cute in this scene. And he gets even cuter (if that's possible) when gorgeous Brian is holding him! Ahhhh, who wouldn't live to give birth to Gale's baby?
Though not particularly fond of Gui, liked that he was clever enough to immediately return this with a volley of his own about Lindsay possibly going to jail if that happened.
Yes, but that shows what a jerk he is.
Which makes it all the more bothersome when Gui is revealed to be stupid enough to make a comment about adopting Gus before he has secured his marriage with Lindsay. Although we know little about Gui, this does appear to be an uncharacteristically dumb move on his part.
This I can't understand. Melanie needs Brian to give up his parental rights to parent Gus, but this French frog can simply adopt Gus and doesn't need Brian to even agree? Just because he is marrying Lindsay this gives him the right to adopt Gus?
Gus is not nearly as animated as he was previously. He's not sleeping but, the baby isn't moving or babbling either, which seems a little odd. But his clothes are as eye catching as ever. This time Gus sports a wholly looking blue knitted outfit with a matching multi tasseled cap that so envelopes the child, his face is barely visible.
I have to tell you this, dergil. You have no idea how much English I learn from reading your reviews. Your detailed accurate vivid descriptions of everything has taught me a lot! Multi tasseled cap? In behalf of all non English native speakers who read your reviews, I really thank you!
Was confused and a little disappointed in Mel for being so moved by Brian's gesture, since he was supposed to sign over his rights from the beginning.
Yes, me too. Too out of character.
It's always a treat to see Brian, ever the one who can get things done, when he's actually in action. The only fly in the ointment is Brian's talk about Gus needing to have two parents who love him and love each other , seems a bit, as he might put it, too "lesbionic" for him.
That made me think about Brian's own upbringing with two hateful parents in a hteful marriage.
The reconciliation between Melanie and Lindsay was gently handled and kind of nice. But it would have been a lot more touching if it didn't seem that Mel could do a lot better. Linds probably does love Mel after a fashion, but Lindsay will always love Brian Kinney more.
Couldn't agree more. Lindsay knows she cannot have Brian (and I think she loves Justin for being the person Brian might love in the future). Brian is her second choice. If Brian turned straight and she had a shot on him, she would dump Mel on the spot.
Melanie deserves, as does everyone, a partner who will put her first in life. She will never have that with Linds.
Agree, but I think pretty much in couples one always love more than the other. It's very hard to find love in equal amounts.
But this fickle flighty entitled woman who claims to be a lesbian yet longs for a gay man is what Melanie wants. Sometimes there's just no saving people from their poor choices.
Let me put it this way: if Brian were straight, Lindsay would be straight too. Being a lesbian (or at least convincing herself and others that she is a lesbian) is the only way she can be closer to Brian. Brian would never be close to a straight woman in love with him.
You can post part 2 of your review, if you want. I'm done.
If Justin wants golden gardenias, he should have golden gardenias! Brian Kinney
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dergil27
10 years ago
responce to Golden_Gardenia 19:16:23
Always looked forward to seeing what Gus would be wearing next. Some of his outfits were quite creative and it helped to make the scenes with Lindsay more tolerable.
Yes Gui might be a jerk. But am not convinced that being able to give as good as you get always means your a difficult person all the time. But even if Gui is a jerk, so is Brian. Not really fair to say Brian is to be excused just because he's beautiful, as so, so, many people do.
Pretty sure you need the father's permission to adopt his child. Even mentioned it in my notes. And while Gui saying this annoyed me before, it's possible he knows so little about U.S. law that he might think this.
If Brian were straight Lindsay would dump Mel. This is something I'm always saying
saying too.
It might be that one partner often love more than the other. But in the situation Mel's in, her partner prefers another. And with Gus, Linds has a long bond with Brian that time and distance.
Have heard others say Lindasy is only playing the role of lesbian to keep Brian close. Not sure I'd go that far,but always noticed she was often saying "I'm a lesbian, like she was trying to convince herself.
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10 years ago
............Thoughts on ep 117 pt 2
...........Main points continued....
Pretty much everyone is there when Michael and David present a slideshow from their trip to Paris. But as slide shows often do, this one induces various stages of sleep among the guest. The only people who appear alert are Brian and Justin, making out on the couch and ignoring everyone around. Normally it's bothersome when this couple pulls this crap, but today their "frenching" is rather charming. And Michael seems pretty much detached and dismissive of everybody there, blowing off Ted's declaration of love for Catherine Denueve, and getting far too haughty about Deb's confusion over his french pronunciation. And it is amazing the number of Parisian places Michael rattles off. The shots of an annoyed Ted as Michael went on and on with the french name dropping was far milder than the irritation this viewer felt. Why Michael's "The sane mother." didn't get get him one of Deb's smack's upside the head is a mystery. Later, we get an even better idea of just how full of himself Michael has become when he seems to look down on the help with his " Isn't that why we pay her" directed toward the presumed cleaning woman. But Michael's not done being an infuriating little snit as he decides against inviting his friends to a gay rights benefit party he and David are having because they wouldn't be comfortable with his new crowd. Found it an interesting and somehow believable change for David to actually present as more inclusive and pliable than Michael, as he doesn't object to Michael's friends himself. But he's still David, which means he doesn't try too hard to change Michael's mind either. Also found David's familiarity with Michael's friends both surprising and interesting. It suggests that off screen, some time has been spent together, at least enough for David to know Ted well enough to put his hand on his head to wake him and to hold Gus. Was thoroughly irked by Michael as was the intention. But his attitude is laid on so think it's overkill, making me almost more annoyed at the lack of subtlety even for this show, than I was at Michael.
The next we hear of Michael is by way of Ted and Emmett complaining about his irritating behavior and how he doesn't seem to want to hang out anymore. Walking alongside, Brian, who is the visual treat he so often is in a long leather jacket that he wears so well, seems to think Michael will get over it. As the three walk down the city street, they come upon a gold Miata with top down in cold weather, which of course leads to much ridicule being thrown toward the unknown driver. And because this is tv land, of course the mystery jerk#$$ is Michael, looking every inch the fool in leather jacket, yellow turtleneck and worst of all, driving gloves. Not only does this get up look silly, it's very different from Michael's usual style. And like Emmett before him and others later, such a huge change in personal dress is indicative on this show of a character trying to be something they're not. It's really shocking to see how totally Michael has embraced the idea of his partner footing the bill when, with no sign of embarrassment or hesitation, he says David bought him the car, just as he payed for the incredibly unsuitable clothing. Considering how objectionable Michael found David's paying for everything not so long ago, it's a bit of a stretch that Michael would reverse himself so completely that he he makes reference to having "our investments with him", when speaking of ridiculously monikered new best friends Bobo and his wife Melisande. Michael's Captain Astro vanity plate, seemed to further put off his old friends, But to me, it seemed something that was left of the old Michael and therefore comforting. Loved Michael getting a parking ticket. It served no purpose for the story, but it is so very much a part driving in town. Like to see such a touch of realism in an episode full of unrealistic coincidences. But didn't care for Michael almost gleefully blowing off successive invitations from Ted and Emmett. Just don't buy that Michael would so quickly move from one circle of friends to another without looking back. Not saying Michael might not do this, but this kind of thing occurs in incremental stages, not instantly as happens here. After awkward goodbyes the scene ends with a slightly strange side view of the street as Michael pulls away, leaving Brian to walk forward as Ted and Emmett remain standing in the spot that was right behind Michael's car. Fail to understand the reason for this odd closing picture, but it does command your attention.
Really don't see any purpose in Brian visiting Michael while he's polishing his car. Brian declaring that Michael's become a boring snot is stating the obvious. And while Michael appears upset at Brian's accusations, they have no effect on his future behavior. And it's hard not to compare this scene with the earlier visit to Brian's father, also taking place in a garage on a cold dark Pittsburgh night. But while the visit with Jack was pivotal to the story and packed an emotional wallop, this scene lacks purpose or passion. Can only assume that the writers were a little too taken with the notion of Brian out in the Pennsylvania night. But have to admit, Brian once again looks elegant in his winter gear as he walks out into the cold snowy darkness.
Almost seems that merely speaking of Michael makes him show up in the manner of a horror movie when his old friends at the diner read of the planned political fundraiser at his home. But despite the irritant that is the new "improved" Michael, this is a very enjoyable scene due to the pleasant easy atmosphere of the "gang" interacting. Even Vic has a rare moment with the younger men. Adore the occasional event of Vic getting to associate with someone other than his own family. And this time his intellect and wit are even called into play. Especially liked Vic's good natured ribbing of Emmett. Unfortunately the good times come to an end as the man in question arrives. When Michael walks through the door, he is jack#ss personified, wearing a darker turtleneck sweater this time, and a dark coat that Michael would have characterized as making him look like a "slick @ss hole in earlier times. But even without the clothes, Michael's countenance exudes an air of superiority and snobbery that makes you wonder why he even deigns to visit the diner in the first place. The turkey meatloaf must be out of this world. Things are a little tense as most of the table prattles about Michael's party in a quiet manner. Meanwhile Deb excitedly gushes and carries on way to loudly about her "baby" being in high society. It's Brian who points out to everyone that they're not welcome, an sentiment seconded by Michael himself. After this things get a lot tense as the table, understanding the situation, falls silent, while Debbie just keeps on with her ostentatious display. As full of himself as Michael is here, I kind of understand why he wouldn't want Deb anywhere near his party. On and on Debbie goes, not heeding either Brian's direct declaration that none of them are invited or Michael's indirect downplaying of the event. Finally Michael loses his patience, and again I sympathize with him over Deb despite his attitude, and tells Debbie it's not her thing. Instead of the usual outrage or copious verbal protests she usually displays at being crossed, Deb becomes subdued, acting defeated and hurt. The table clearly feels sympathy for Debbie, but this viewer was just happy she finally shut up. Like the way Michael walking away to escape his mother's pained gaze is a realistic uncontrived way to have him absent so Brian can begin plotting.
David and Michael's fundraising party is introduced via a waiter's back. As said waiter enters the living room, the camera leaves him for a wider view of the guests and the and the room's set pieces. Liked the event decor, an understated mix of large white Chinese lanterns, groupings of small white lights, and a few flowers. As the camera pans the event, the suit wearing party guests are seen mostly from chest high length and from the back as they stand clutching their drinks. Believe these odd camera angles is to create the effect of a pleasant but not particularly exciting time. So it was gratifying when the camera soon stopped it's sweep of the room to rest on the trio of David, Michael, and state senator Dianne Baxter. Approve of the personification of the senator, who looks and behaves just as one would expect of a senator. But the senator soon takes her leave, allowing us to hear yet another of Michael's irritating utterances. This time he reflects on how different this party is, and by unsaid suggestion better, than those with his old friends. In the short silence that follows, the voice of Emmett can be clearly heard. Love that we see the high speed zoomed in close up of Michael's exasperated food filled face before we see where he's looking. Only then is there a second lightning fast zoom shot of the source of his annoyance. Although an effort was clearly made to display Debbie and the men as a group rather than a reception line, they didn't entirely succeed. But the bonus of getting a good look at the outlandish outfits hand picked to get under Michael's skin, far outweighs any drawbacks. Brian's open to the waist shirt and very tight pale paints, seems to be the best of the colorful lot. But Brian is the most attractive person here and can wear almost anything, so it might not be a fair comparison. Deb's outfit is my least favorite. But as I tend to find hippie types uninteresting, disliking Deb's gear be as unfair as preferring Brian's based partially on his looks. Most of his former crowd ignore Michael's rudeness when he asks why they've come. But thought it interesting that Vic was not inclined to let his nephew's ungracious behavior go completely unanswered. Enjoyed the little flick on Vic's hand behind his seventies pimp hat, and his swinging said hand forward to form a pistol as he unsmilingly states they are not bandits. The only thing to possibly top Vic was Brian handing David a check to secure their passage, then sauntering on past Michael with a dismissive false compliment and nary a passing glance. In what appears to be a mere few minutes time, there is a single sustained shot beginning with Brian and the waiter he's already found to flirt with. Then, within the same field, the camera moves slightly left to reveal Michael protesting his friend's presence as David expresses his appreciation for the size of Brian's donation. Behind David and Michael, Justin can be seen lighting up a cigarette in the background. As Justin walks forward and is more clearly in the viewer's line of sight, the camera follows him. The focus then falls solely on Justin and his contempt for the music coming from the stereo. Found it great fun when Justin quickly changed the tune to something more rhythm friendly and roped someone into dancing. Justin's dance partner at first demurred, but few can resist an attractive teenager in a club boy half shirt. And so, a dancing Justin ends the continuous shot.
But while the festivities are fun and all, it's nice that Vic and Deb remember what the party is about. In a smaller room with music slightly dimmed, Vic's nod signals the pair's success at finding Senator Baxter. Was grateful that Deb is actually toned down to tolerable here, not at all like the noisy cheerleader of earlier. Also liked the bit of vinegar injected when the senator's description of Michael as a "charming young man", gets a "We used to think so." from Vic. Glad that Vic is at least one who still shows open disdain for Michael's poor attitude. Unfortunately, the mere mention of his name once again brings forth Michael and his snotty declarations. This time it's about getting Deb away from the Senator as he spies the women talking from the main room. It's interesting and a bit perplexing that David continues to be so relaxed and reasonable about the party crashers, Perhaps it's so we will concentrate all our outrage on Michael, or maybe it's to make clear that Michael is to blame for his own actions.And as the party continues the camera moves around the room for another look at the party guests now loosening up a bit, passes Brian, sits briefly on a dancing Justin, then finally settles on Ted. As he leans against the fireplace all done up in leather, one can guess the experience in Dale Wexler's playroom must have been a good one. Liked that even here Ted is still himself, which means he's having no better luck than usual as his typical arsenal of lame pickup lines nets him a cold shoulder followed by outright rejection. But in a fresh twist Ted remains in high spirits, giving his would be dance partner too much information about his leather habits before rudely putting a bread stick in the other man's drink. Not sure if the party guest was shocked, intrigued, or merely confused. But as we leave Ted, he definitely has the man's attention. No roving camera leads the viewer to Emmett, it's a direct cut as he practically holds court over a small group of men in need of fashion tips. It's not explained why any one would assume a man dressed in Jacqueline Kennedy drag would have a sense of style. But it's amusing to see the men listen attentively and heed Em's directives. And so the early stage of the party ends with Michael continuing to be up in arms, David continuing to roll with the situation, and Emmett going off with a man he fancies to parts unknown.
When the party returns some time has passed, in a lively scene with everyone dancing. And while Justin now wears his dance partner's jacket, almost everyone else is in their shirtsleeves, with a few absent even that including the attractive waiter Brian continues to pursue. Always have to appreciate this show's offering of male eye candy. Also worth noting is that Ted's dance partner is the guy who blew him off earlier. In the midst of these good times, the camera follows another waiter carefully making his way through the crowd, only to spill shrimp cocktail all over Emmett. Emmett is very upset about this. But doubt he's only distressed about the cleaning bill, because Em's not just wearing a Jackie style frock, he's wearing a pink dress and hat very reminiscent of the one the real first lady wore when her husband was shot. Not sure why there is a tie in with the Kennedy assassination, but am sure I don't like it. The Dallas reference is pointless, jarring and completely out of place here, temporarily stopping the flow of the story line completely. But though it seems to take an eternity, the focus thankfully leaves Emmett for Brian and his waiter as they head upstairs over Michael's objections. The pair create a pretty picture making out on the stairwell as Michael frets and David remains unperturbed. But I'm not buying it this time. It's possible that David might be laid back about the Liberty Avenue contingent crashing his fundraiser. But no way do I believe he'd be okay with having his upstairs turned into a makeshift backroom, no matter how big the size of Brian's check.
But there's little time to ponder uncharacteristic behavior patterns as the sound of Debbie's voice mingling with the senator's causes Michael to rush over to this perceived bigger problem. It appears his new found snobbery has also rendered Michael hard of hearing. This can be the only reason the senator's laughter, her stating she's "having a ball", and being on a first name basis with Deb, fail to dissuade him from pulling his mother aside. There was some fun to be had even here in little details like Michael's eye roll when Deb introduces Justin to "Diane". And loved the way Justin buttons up his borrowed jacket when he meets the senator. Even liked Debbie getting back to her more irritating self as she advised a waiter about his tray. But this I mostly liked for the waiter's annoyed expression. The party music, already less audible, is completely replaced by a strange repetitive mix of voice and drums as Michael unbraids his mother for embarrassing him. And he's quite nasty about it, telling Deb the senator's interest was just to be polite and saying they should all leave. When Michael raises his voice, even Michael seems to fear he's gone too far, as is clear from his subdued silence and the mortified looks of his friends and family. In the quite that follows, Michael really does deserve one of Debbie's smacks in the head. But like chronic complainers who whine about trivial events but fall silent when real problems arise, Debbie does nothing. At least not at first. Deb is quite forthright when she admits to Michael that she knows she can be "hard to take", and is even fine with him being ashamed of her on occasion. All of this is delivered in an even tempoed , matter of fact tone. But after a short pause, just how appalled Deb is at her son is easily discerned as she tells him in the hushed, halted, staccato tones of a still loud voice that she "never thought the day would come" that she would be ashamed of him. Debbie then turns and walks out. As Michael scowls after his mother, Justin can be seen following Deb out in slow motion behind him. Love the strange discombobulated mood that's created as the camera begins spinning and the music picks up with faster and louder percussion and sinister sounding laughter. With Michael at it's center, a slow motion pan of the party surrounding him shows a mixture of guests looking disapprovingly in his direction, while others continue to party. And as the camera continues to circle Michael, his expression changes from sullen irritation to empty despair.
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part 3
On another day there's a much quieter get together at Deb's house with Senator Baxter and most of the Liberty Avenue residents present. Like the nice informal homey feel as every one is eating in the living room. And there's a lovely shot of Emmett sashaying adorably toward the kitchen. As Diane compliments her cooking, Deb commands Justin to get some Romano cheese. The weary, slightly hesitant way Justin gets up to do this seems very real, and makes one wonder if Deb hasn't had the boy waiting on everyone all night. But despite the good time everyone is having without him, this is still very much Michael's scene as Senator Baxter regrets that he couldn't be here. And it's clear not much has changed as openly critical Vic says dinner with his mother is no longer Michael's style. But Deb merely says he had other plans, still defending Michael to others despite what happened between them earlier. The responses of Michael's uncle and mother were easy to predict, But Brian's "!#ck him." was a surprise. A surprise for me as well as everyone in the room, who look at Brian in shock. Thought everybody was taken aback that Brian would say this about Michael. But Brian's apology to the Senator cleared up that erroneous idea. Not unexpected but still appreciative of Baxter taking obscenities in stride. But her confession about using the F word followed by Bush, made the story come to a sudden and prolonged halt for me. The unpleasant memories of the overly political direction this show would take in later days actually took a while to shake off. But was slowly calmed by the small talk about Deb's wonderful hosting and Justin's club.
But despite a slightly delayed arrival, talk of Michael causes him to appear yet again. But this time he comes donned in his older style of dress and carrying himself far more humbly. At Michael's "Hey.", everyone looks up, with all save one immediately looking away and going about their business. Love that the mere act of gracing them with his presence isn't going to do it for Michael's old crowd, even if he has come in a posture of contrition. A good moment of awkward tension follows as everyone falls silent and Michael stands looking uncomfortable, his eyes flitting about and focusing on no one person. And though he may not deserve it, Deb breaks the spell and alleviates Michael's misery by offering him a seat. Not quite sure if Michael feels unworthy or is just stupid, but almost ridiculously he claims he can't stay. Like that Vic keeps up the voice of outrage to the end as he accuses Michael of making it a choice. After another awkward silence, Deb makes a second attempt to save her son from the situation. Admire the way her voice, half choked with emotion, betrays Deb's state of mind, and gives gravity to the small but important drama being played out here. And this time, the invitation of something to eat, does the trick. Small wonder Debbie believes every problem can be solved with food. And think Deb may very well be using Justin as a waiter given his slow " Not again." body language as he's told to get Michael some pasta. As Deb stands to face Michael, regret and sadness is clearly shown as the camera gets very close. Think the whole exchange with "Di" over saying #$$hole was a huge mistake, as it interrupts the flow of this moment to an incredibly distracting degree. When the attention is finally back where it belongs, the pair again face each other until Deb gives Michael a halfhearted smack immediately followed by a wholehearted hug that breaks the tension. A slightly prolonged embrace gives way to reveal both parties near tears as Michael gives his mother a quick kiss before taking a seat. There are few words spoken, and none of any importance. Michael's apology and Deb's forgiveness is communicated completely through their eyes. It's a powerful and beautifully done moment of silence. But as wonderful as this last scene was between Michael and Deb, she did let him off the hook far too easily, as mothers tend to do. So, I hope that the others at least made Michael work for it a little bit.
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From the time he moved into David's house and that episode's end, to Hank's visit, there was a noticeable reduction in the number of Michael's toys and other decor in the living room and the bedroom. By this outing one is hard pressed to see any of Michael's things in David's architectural house.
When Justin and Daphne go up the steps of St. James Academy, there is a background shot of what looks like a field as they enter the building. Several outdoor shots of the school's front entrance show the view to be that of a city street opposite a row of houses. Suppose it's possible that they came in by another entrance, but it's still confounding.
Though Brian did look stunning on Lindsay's bed, he was once again wearing that tie with a distracting design, making his visage less than perfect.
Bo Bo might sound like an unrealistically stupid name. But stupid nicknames, given out as early as infancy, often persist for the rest of someone's life. And this sort of thing is especially common among upper class old money families.
Not completely sure about this, but believe the biological father's permission is needed before another parent can adopt a child. Which would make Gui's threat idle and Brian worried for nothing.
During the protest at the school, strongly approved of the way the principal recognized State Senator Baxter instantly. Whether on purpose or just for convenience sake, having the man know the woman on sight is an accurate detail. Many people don't even know who their state representatives are by name. But as state policy often effects them directly, educators, especially those in positions of power, are keenly aware of the politics and the politicians in their respective states.
Was extremely irritated with the scene in which Brian is insulting Justin, and the boy somehow finding being treated like #!it so endearing that he responds by planting kisses all over the unimpressed man. Justin claims to be the most mature person Brian knows, but many of the actions Justin takes before and after this moment shows Justin to be anything but mature. Getting tired of this mutually dysfunctional relationship. And it was all made a lot worse by both men looking far less attractive than usual. Justin was wearing a sheet in a totally unflattering green color, with his toga styling emphasizing his nonexistent upper body tone. While Brian just doesn't look at all good in a black satin robe. And for some strange reason, even Brian's knees looked unattractive. Guess Brian can't wear anything after all. The frequent mental abuse is bad enough, and when not having their beauty to fall back on, there doesn't seem to be much left. This couple is really beginning to bore me.
Since Brian has given his parental rights to Melanie, he now has no legal rights over Gus . Which means that Melanie and Lindsay are now free to raise the baby in the Jewish religion and have him circumsized if they so choose. And after Brian's a##hat display over this earlier, I hope they did.
Believe that Guillaume should be given credit for being one of the few people, along with Emmett, who is not impressed with Brian Kinney
As Michael is carrying on at length over Brian and company's behavior at the party, far more relaxed David actually puts his hand on Michael and practically leads him away by his face. In the context of what was happening this doesn't seem so bad. After all, David is being reasonable as he tries to prevent Michael from causing a scene. But it is still a controlling action and if isolated from the motive, a disturbing gesture.
For some strange reason the men with whom Justin, Ted, and Emmett interact the most at the party are all wearing glasses. Two men looking this way might be a coincidence, but three is on purpose. But can't imagine what that purpose might be.
It sounded like Ted said something about Bo Bo sauce at Debs place. Not sure if this was a strange attempted slam at Michael, or I just heard wrong.
Feel it's worth noting that Brian is kissing the waiter at David and Michael's party. And kissing him quite a lot. Mention this for all the " Brian never kisses his tricks but he kissed Justin and this means Justin is special" people.
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dergil27
10 years ago
reply to fairpenguin post 09:03:42,
Yes things changed later on, when Justin put those rules into place and Brian agreed to follow them.
I was referring to a small but insistent group that claims Brian never or rarely kissed others from the beginning. And this is sited as an example of how special they believe Justin was to Brian from the very start.
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Golden_Gardenia
10 years ago
As Diane compliments her cooking, Deb commands Justin to get some Romano cheese. The weary, slightly hesitant way Justin gets up to do this seems very real, and makes one wonder if Deb hasn't had the boy waiting on everyone all night.
I guess so. That's soooo Deb!
But Deb merely says he had other plans, still defending Michael to others despite what happened between them earlier. The responses of Michael's uncle and mother were easy to predict, But Brian's "!#ck him." was a surprise. A surprise for me as well as everyone in the room, who look at Brian in shock. Thought everybody was taken aback that Brian would say this about Michael.
Classic Brian! I think the shock was the f word, not his attitude. We are sooooo naturalizing the F word in Portuguese here in Brazil, it's everywhere, it's not even funny enymore!
But Brian's apology to the Senator cleared up that erroneous idea.
This is what shocked me. Unapologetic Brian saying he's sorry.
And though he may not deserve it, Deb breaks the spell and alleviates Michael's misery by offering him a seat.
Yes, this is what family does. No matter what you do, everybody forgives you and move on.
And think Deb may very well be using Justin as a waiter given his slow " Not again." body language as he's told to get Michael some pasta.
Yes, the boy couldn't eat in peace that evening.
From the time he moved into David's house and that episode's end, to Hank's visit, there was a noticeable reduction in the number of Michael's toys and other decor in the living room and the bedroom. By this outing one is hard pressed to see any of Michael's things in David's architectural house.
Love David's classy house! Love the lighting. Less and less toys, indeed.
Bo Bo might sound like an unrealistically stupid name. But stupid nicknames, given out as early as infancy, often persist for the rest of someone's life. And this sort of thing is especially common among upper class old money families.
The nickname "Bobo" reminds me of a few Italian restaurant's waiters called Bobo. The word "bobo" in Portuguese means "fool".
During the protest at the school, strongly approved of the way the principal recognized State Senator Baxter instantly. Whether on purpose or just for convenience sake, having the man know the woman on sight is an accurate detail. Many people don't even know who their state representatives are by name. But as state policy often effects them directly, educators, especially those in positions of power, are keenly aware of the politics and the politicians in their respective states.
In Brazil the government cannot give money to private schools, they are on their own. However, the government gives some tax exemption to parents because they pay private school (well, considering the government saves money with less children in public school)
Since Brian has given his parental rights to Melanie, he now has no legal rights over Gus . Which means that Melanie and Lindsay are now free to raise the baby in the Jewish religion and have him circumsized if they so choose.
And I hope from now on they don't have the guts to ask money from Brian, no matter how poor they are. But I'm sure Brian would never deny them money if Gus needed.
Feel it's worth noting that Brian is kissing the waiter at David and Michael's party. And kissing him quite a lot. Mention this for all the " Brian never kisses his tricks but he kissed Justin and this means Justin is special" people.
He only stopped kissing tricks after his agreement with Justin in Season 2.
If Justin wants golden gardenias, he should have golden gardenias! Brian Kinney
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dergil27
10 years ago
Think part of living with Deb is that Justin is not afforded "guest" status. Which probably means the boy must help out during her meals.
Was actually a little surprised that the qaf writers remembered that the population at large doesn't use the f word on a regular bases. At least during this period they remembered.
Was also surprised that Brian so readily apologized to the Senator.
True that it's human nature to let family off the hook. But still think Deb was far to easy on Michael.
Agree that David's house might look better with Michael's toys out of sight. But it says a lot about about the uneven manner of this relationship that it's all David's stuff. It drives home the point that Michael is living with David in "David's" house, not living with him in "their" house.
Lindsay's taking money from Brian did seem to lesson at this point. At least we saw less of it. But I always assumed it went on off camera. Never occurred to me that the begging might have stopped or been reduced at this point. Would hope that it did though.
Agree that Brian only stopped kissing tricks after he agreed to Justin's rules. But there are some deluded fans out there who incorrectly insist that Brian ever or rarely kissed tricks, or claim that when he did kiss them, it was to show dominance. But with the waiter, Brian's kisses are clearly about seduction and pleasure.
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Golden_Gardenia
10 years ago
And Michael seems pretty much detached and dismissive of everybody there, blowing off Ted's declaration of love for Catherine Denueve, and getting far too haughty about Deb's confusion over his french pronunciation.
And her lack of geographic knowledge. Michael's French pronunciation is awful, by the way.
Later, we get an even better idea of just how full of himself Michael has become when he seems to look down on the help with his " Isn't that why we pay her" directed toward the presumed cleaning woman. But Michael's not done being an infuriating little snit as he decides against inviting his friends to a gay rights benefit party he and David are having because they wouldn't be comfortable with his new crowd.
I've always wondered what the writers were thinking with this Michael's sotoryline, it makes no sense to me. I could understand if David was a jerk and was manipulating Michael into this lifestyle. But we know David wanted to invite Michael's friends and family to the party. And during the party David accepted the whole gang with no problem and couldn't care less about their behaviour. Michael was the problem, which made no sense to me.
About the travel slide-show party, this is so clearly before social networks like Facebook were around (Facebook was lauched in 2004). People haven't been showing travel pictures like that for long time now!
As the three walk down the city street, they come upon a gold Miata with top down in cold weather, which of course leads to much ridicule being thrown toward the unknown driver. And because this is tv land, of course the mystery jerk#$$ is Michael, looking every inch the fool in leather jacket, yellow turtleneck and worst of all, driving gloves.
Again, I would understand if David was like that, but considering he is not, from where is Michael absorbing all these images? Movies? Games?
Loved Michael getting a parking ticket. It served no purpose for the story, but it is so very much a part driving in town. Like to see such a touch of realism in an episode full of unrealistic coincidences.
Yes, I liked the parking ticket too. It brings him down to earth and reminds him he is like everybody else.
Really don't see any purpose in Brian visiting Michael while he's polishing his car. Brian declaring that Michael's become a boring snot is stating the obvious. And while Michael appears upset at Brian's accusations, they have no effect on his future behavior.
No point. But I like that Brian cared enough to show up and check up on him.
And it's hard not to compare this scene with the earlier visit to Brian's father, also taking place in a garage on a cold dark Pittsburgh night. But while the visit with Jack was pivotal to the story and packed an emotional wallop, this scene lacks purpose or passion.
Yes, good point. That scene has a deja vu feel to it.
But even without the clothes, Michael's countenance exudes an air of superiority and snobbery that makes you wonder why he even deigns to visit the diner in the first place.
Yes, all that sounds so fake and unreal to this character! Brian acts as if he wanted to be accepted socially as straight. WTF? It's exactly what Brian says about David in Episode 120 (although I think Brian was wrong then)
Instead of the usual outrage or copious verbal protests she usually displays at being crossed, Deb becomes subdued, acting defeated and hurt. The table clearly feels sympathy for Debbie, but this viewer was just happy she finally shut up.
Sometime she annoys me too. It must have been difficult for Michael to live with her for so long. Larger than life personality.
Liked the event decor, an understated mix of large white Chinese lanterns, groupings of small white lights, and a few flowers.
I love David's house. I like everything about it. My ideal home would be a mixture of David's style and Brian's good taste for furniture. Actually, I've been decorating my apartment borrowing Brian's taste for minimalism and designer's furniture. I already have a Charles Eames lounge chair and ottoman (Brian doesn't have that, but it is his style). Deb's and Emmet and Michael's homes are a nightmare in terms of decoration, too cluttered, too colorful for my taste. I like Ted's condo, but it is very serious, like him. Mel and Lindsay's home is tasteful and feels like a real home with rugs, curtains and tea sets. Lots of fabric. Brian has fabric only in his curtains, everything else is leather and hard materials in chairs and tables. The furniture says a lot about the characters.
In the short silence that follows, the voice of Emmett can be clearly heard.
Emmett is really something. How appropriate the Jackie K. outfit. A Marilyn Monroe costume would be interesting too. I like all their outfits. Brian looks amazing in those leather pants.
In what appears to be a mere few minutes time, there is a single sustained shot beginning with Brian and the waiter he's already found to flirt with.
Very, very cute waiter!
Found it great fun when Justin quickly changed the tune to something more rhythm friendly and roped someone into dancing. Justin's dance partner at first demurred, but few can resist an attractive teenager in a club boy half shirt. And so, a dancing Justin ends the continuous shot.
Justin is soooo cute! Apparently all the guys in this party ar gay!
It's interesting and a bit perplexing that David continues to be so relaxed and reasonable about the party crashers, Perhaps it's so we will concentrate all our outrage on Michael, or maybe it's to make clear that Michael is to blame for his own actions.
I think so. David has nothing to do with Michael's decisions of not inviting his friends and family and the a$$ Michael became.
Liked that even here Ted is still himself, which means he's having no better luck than usual as his typical arsenal of lame pickup lines nets him a cold shoulder followed by outright rejection.
As Mel so well put it in Season 2, if Ted were straight, there would be lots of women hitting on him.
It's not explained why any one would assume a man dressed in Jacqueline Kennedy drag would have a sense of style. But it's amusing to see the men listen attentively and heed Em's directives.
It's always assumed that gays and trans have a deep sense of style. A few years ago I caught myself asking a gay friend what I should wear to our mutual friend's morning wedding! He said he had no idea, and that could win a contest of the person least interested in fashion and clothes ever.
Always have to appreciate this show's offering of male eye candy.
This is the major reason I fell in love with this show in the first place.
What a delicious description of the party, degil. Loved it.
If Justin wants golden gardenias, he should have golden gardenias! Brian Kinney
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clofa
10 years ago
I've only managed to read the first few posts so far (and only part 1 of your review dergil), so hopefully more to come later!
Dergil, you made me laugh because I remember how you also commented on Deb's advice to Brian when he found out that his father was dying. I guess Debbie would never have any effect on you!
But I'm surprised you'd actually go for Vic's "solution," which to me wouldn't solve anything, but only make matter worse.
I tend to agree with Golden-Gardenia about Justin's attitude. If I were in his shoes and I didn't do anything, I'd probably feel like a coward or a useless human being for not trying to raise awareness about a matter that relates to my own identity. This storyline definitely made me respect Justin a lot more.
And while I understand Jennifer's reluctance in the beginning, I actually thought the way she told Debbie to mind her own business a bit too rude (I still haven't watched the episode though, so it could be my messed up memory!)
By this point in the episode, all the perfect timing had worn out it's welcome long ago
Do you mean because the senator showed up? I've always thought this was done on purpose (and not supposed to seem like a coincidence) because it's her opportunity to show the public what she's doing. So she knew what was happening and when, then picked the right moment to step in.
Has Brian really not noticed that Linds behaves as if she's practically, if not actually in love with him?
I never thought he was clueless about it, specifically because, as you mention later, he clearly says it (that Lindsay loves Brian more than she loves Melanie).
Can't decide if Lindsay is totally unable to comprehend how her words affect Mel, or if she knows exactly how deeply they cut her ex partner.
I see it as the latter, probably because of my extreme dislike of Lindsay.
It's always a treat to see Brian, ever the one who can get things done, when he's actually in action. The only fly in the ointment is Brian's talk about Gus needing to have two parents who love him and love each other , seems a bit, as he might put it, too "lesbionic" for him. But this is a minor complaint.
I agree! This kind of explains my own conflicting attitude about this: I love watching Brian in action like this but he's picked the "wrong" reasons. I love Brian most for not being brainwashed by mainstream society and its "norms" about what constitutes a family. But here, he seems to be contradicting his own principles, and I hate that.
No matter what one might feel about the Frenchman, Lindsay's flippant attitude and seeming lack of remorse over leaving a friend in the lurch shows some serious lack of character. But this fickle flighty entitled woman who claims to be a lesbian yet longs for a gay man is what Melanie wants. Sometimes there's just no saving people from their poor choices.
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Despite the heavy subject matter, it's a very aesthetically pleasing scene, with Brian and Justin evenly lit to create a pleasant effect with their faces but still allow them to stand out noticeably but not starkly from the dark background. But the muted beauty does not distract from the message.
Absolutely love this scene, and the music that goes with it!
Brianwashed!
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dergil27
10 years ago
reply to clofa,
Nice to hear from you. And appreciation as well as sympathy for reading my review, as things really got out of hand lengthwise.
As said before, I don't fault Justin for his work toward a gay/ straight alliance. Only feel that the very critical months before graduation is not the time to start such an involved "project".
Debbie had the nerve to pretty much command Jennifer to "stand beside" Justin in his fight against homophobia. If anyone was rude it was Debbie, who seems to think her perceived rightness on this issue means she can order everyone else around.
Concur over the dislike of Lindsay. Find Lindsay's continued fixation on Brian only moderately irritating. But her insistence on dragging Mel along for this one sided ride is endlessly infuriating, making Linds my least favorite character in the show.
Think the senator came out and brought the press for the publicity. And agree that there was an element of preplanned timing. But her stepping up just as the principal was about to call the police seemed too coincidental. But suppose even this could be deliberate. So perhaps it wasn't just the luck of accidental perfect timing after all.
Brian's speech about Gus needing two parents who love each other just seemed very out of character for him. Often wondered if those words were originally meant for somebody else.
Think that dislike of Gui makes people fail to notice the shoddy treatment he gets from Lindsay. She practically deserts the man with barely the blink of an eye. But the Frenchman's being an unlikable character does not make her actions any less reprehensible.
Really like the end scene with Brian and Justin. It artfully combines beauty with substance.
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Golden_Gardenia
10 years ago
Brian's speech about Gus needing two parents who love each other just seemed very out of character for him. Often wondered if those words were originally meant for somebody else.
I see echos of Brian's own childhood here.
If Justin wants golden gardenias, he should have golden gardenias! Brian Kinney
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clofa
10 years ago
I've FINALLY had the chance to watch this episode in full and that made me see a few things a bit differently.
-I said in a previous post that I remember Jennifer being rude but now after watching the episode, she didn't seem too rude and she was pretty easily convinced by Justin about why he should stand up for himself (by the way, personally, I think the part where he says he learned all that from her and his dad were just a lie so that he could win the argument).
So I actually love Jennifer's attitude and the fact that she went with her son to discuss the matter directly with the principal.
-Another thing is I love how Brian was the first to pick up that they weren't welcome at the party (and, on a shallow note, he REALLY looked gorgeous in that scene )
-I also now realize that Guillaume deserved the treatment he finally got from Lindsay. In that scene with Brian at the market, he implied she'd get in much worse trouble than he would in case they were caught: he'd simply be deported back to France while she might possible be sent to jail. I did feel sorry for him a bit at the end and Lindsay's "sorry" didn't seem enough (she didn't seem to feel any guilt about it at all!)
-As for Brian's arguments about a baby deserving 2 parents who love each other, I'm now a bit relieved about it because he seemed to only be saying what they wanna hear and not really out of conviction. His only motivation was to still be able to play some part in his son's life. Even though he and Melanie didn't get along before, he still felt a big part of Gus' life and he was still much in control.
-I'm very annoyed about Michael not saying he's sorry (even if he said it silently) and it annoys me more that Debbie was satisfied with that (kinda reminds me of my mother and my brother, and how I argue with her when she does that!)
-I still love that final scene and the music just as much as I remember and it's the first time I notice that the heart-shaped mound of snow behind them (or am I imagining it?!). In any other real-life or fictional setting, I'd have thought this was too cheesy and nauseating, but since this is QAF, my reaction is:
"Awwwww, how cute. If that's done on purpose, then this show's crew are geniuses!"
Brianwashed!
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Golden_Gardenia
10 years ago
If I were in his shoes and I didn't do anything, I'd probably feel like a coward or a useless human being for not trying to raise awareness about a matter that relates to my own identity. This storyline definitely made me respect Justin a lot more.
And while I understand Jennifer's reluctance in the beginning, I actually thought the way she told Debbie to mind her own business a bit too rude (I still haven't watched the episode though, so it could be my messed up memory!)
This is exactly how I feel, clofa. Among the people trying to give Justin and education, I guess Deb was the bravest and the best!
I love Brian most for not being brainwashed by mainstream society and its "norms" about what constitutes a family. But here, he seems to be contradicting his own principles, and I hate that.
Yes, although sometimes he looks just like everybody else, like when he says akid need two loving parents. I think he was alking about his own experience as a child living with two hateful parents.
If Justin wants golden gardenias, he should have golden gardenias! Brian Kinney
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