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Walter Klemmer's about-face


So I looked around for a thread to join, but there didn't seem to be any asking about Walter Klemmer's character. Maybe I missed it. Didn't look too long.

First off, this was only my second Michael Haneke movie. He seems like a true artist to me, willing to take risks and delve deeply into his subject matter. I preferred this film to Cache, perhaps because Erika Kohut (the piano teacher) made immediate sense to me. Isabelle Huppert is ridiculously good.

My rating: 8

My problem is Walter Klemmer (the piano student). After Erika reveals her masochistic desire he suddenly becomes verbally abusive. I can accept that he is stunned and perhaps frightened by her letter, but nothing leading up to that point hints at the possibility of an aggressive reaction. I could accept him refusing to stay in her room, perhaps leaving without saying another word, but his sudden shift into openly verbal aggression (which later on becomes physical) feels out of character. He initially comes across as sweet and accepting, perhaps a bit bewildered by Erika's eccentricity, but willing and able to compromise. She chooses him because of these compassionate qualities, but suddenly, in the space of a few minutes behind a barricaded door, these traits disappear. Perhaps if the character wasn't so well acted and fleshed out up until that point, I would be more accepting. But as it is, I just can't buy into it.

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This was a more satisfying film for me than Cache and some of that is to do with character of Erika as played by Huppert who made immediate sense to me too.

As to Walter this is my take on him. He is seductive, which Erika intuits from his piano playing and more-or-less says at the school auditions. He sets his sights on Erika because she presents a strong challenge and would represent, perhaps, an important win for his ego. The verbal aggression that he unleashes on her was far uglier I thought than the later physical aggression because it was so surprising. I reconcile this by assuming he felt betrayed at this point because what Erika wants is not going to settle smoothly with the game he thought they were both playing and to succeed in seducing her he will have to be nasty, as he sees it, which would not fit with his sleak and easy personality. Some people in order to separate have to be angry and aggressive. I think this is some of Walter's intent by humiliating Erika so. She is the one who returns to him later and invites him back and his behaviour after that seems both vengeful and a sort of flailing around as he's out of his depth as much as Erika is hers.

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I just can't buy into the idea that he is only trying to seduce her. The character is far too open. He tells her he loves her. That's not how you seduce someone. Seduction is about luring the other. Maybe you assure the seduced that you love them in order to keep them, but speaking of love before ensnaring the prey is bad technique, especially when you have only just met the person. If he only cared about seduction, then why does he protest a blowjob in the bathroom? Not only that, but Haneke goes through great lengths to show the character's kindness towards women outside of any kind of performance or seduction when Erika follows him to his hockey practice or sees him consoling her student.

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You don't have to buy my idea.

However telling an emotionally vulnerable woman you love her is seductive and he did not know her well enough to declare a more sincere love. Indeed his declaration of love is offered whenever Erika is rejecting him. His 'kindness' towards other women - is it that? Or is this the artfulness of a seducer? Besides which his seductiveness is not merely cruel so why would it not be mixed with a warmth and care that approximates kindness.

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You are probably right about the 'telling emotionally vulnerable women you love them' being seductive, but he says it when she is trying to give him a handjob or blowjob. It would seem, at that moment, if he is only trying to seduce her, he's succeeding. Why protest?

I suppose all his kindness could be a mere tactic. Are there any clues that hint at his artfulness? I don't remember any.

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I thought he protested because she stopped the bj not that he didn't want one.

I thought the ending was the biggest clue to him as a seducer whose only care for Erika was his game. He breezes in for the concert and bids her hello as he would an acquaintance and not someone he's had sex with/raped the night before. Her reaction - to stab herself - suggests further that his manner is deeply hurtful and, so, discordant with a man who was emotionally involved with a woman.

Having written that I think he's a ruthless seducer, which I do, his character is not without merit in some ways; for example, the way he comments the lack of lock for Erika's room and how he shuts her mother away, which is what Erika would be best doing. He seemed to me to react with anger, especially during the letter reading scene, in part because he's out of his depth as is Erika and is vulnerable too.

I hope others respond to your OP because Walter's character is interesting and doesn't get discussed much beyond the rape or the hotness of the actor.

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Will need to watch the film again. Get back to you then.

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Fascinating, intriguing film, so very well played by Isabelle Huppert. And I agree, much more satisfying than Caché as while there was no definitive conclusion, at least we weren't left wondering who sent the tapes.

I have read and appreciate the comments and insight, particularly from a female point of view. As a disclaimer and somewhat with tongue in cheek, I have to say I didn't understand Walter's reaction as had Isabelle Huppert made an offer like that to me... tie me up, control me, choose my clothes... the mother would have been in a Nursing Home by the weekend and come Sunday brunch, Isabelle would have been frying my eggs over easy wearing nothing but nibble clamps.

When Walter does react poorly to the letter, I thought in a way, he was playing inadvertently to her wishes. It appeared she didn't mind being humiliated. She humiliates herself even further by following him to his hockey game... wearing a colorfly out-of-character frock... to lay herself for the taking on the floor of the supply room.

I agree that he is a "ruthless seducer" and doesn't like it when the 'game' does not follow his rules. I can see and agree that he is over his depth but wonder why you think Erika is also (over her depth)?

Two reasons.. the first is that there is a scene where Erika locks herself in the bathroom to cut herself. Perhaps I'm wrong but I took that as a masochistic act. Secondly, I think she could have taken - and enjoyed - some slapping. However, Walter injures her. There's a big difference.

Again, a wonderful film and some great threads here with the gamut of interpretations and opinions.

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I have to say I didn't understand Walter's reaction as had Isabelle Huppert made an offer like that to me... tie me up, control me, choose my clothes... the mother would have been in a Nursing Home by the weekend and come Sunday brunch, Isabelle would have been frying my eggs over easy wearing nothing but nibble clamps.
Is that because she is Isabelle Huppert or other reasons ..?

I think Erika was out-of-her-depth because she underestimates Walter, assuming she has influence over him, and she seems to assume too that he will be receptive to her sexual desires and he's not. Also I think she is an emotionally vulnerable woman because she's very naive and someone like Walter can, and indeed does, take advantage of her. I'm (most) slowly reading the book and Erika's character is slightly different in the book to the film in that I thought she was a virgin in the film but she's not in the book. What the book makes plain and it is in the film too, is that she relates to people through her own fantasy world in which people are easily categorised objects. Walter is one such object. This type of relating leaves the person vulnerable as 'objects' have a way of reacting unpredictably.
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Isabelle Huppert would have been merely the icing on the cake.

From an amazon.com review of the book...

"I started reading this book in its French (which I read almost fluently)translation from German but could not follow it. Because I found the subject interesting, I took the English (my native language) translation out of the library but found that I could not follow that either. It is the story of a truly disturbed Austrian female piano teacher. It is interesting but, for me (and I can read classical Chinese), more abstruse than I could deal with.


For a Daniel Auteuil fan, "Strange Crime" is one worth watching. I saw it this weekend. Drama, mystery, twists.

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Thanks for the film rec.

I don't agree with the book reviewer. I'm reading it in English translation and it's comprehensible. It's difficult to follow because there is no dialogue or external description, every bit of prose is the internal world of one of the characters and it moves from character to character without any signposting, which I find clever. It's ironic and very mocking of the characters and make sme smile as much as it sometimes appalls.

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Hey, so I finally went back and rented The Piano Teacher and rewatched the restroom scene. Here's how it goes:

She's giving him a handjob. You can see her arm pumping continuously. He says, "But I love you".

He's protesting her dispassionate approach to sex. You can try to talk your way around it, but I'm a guy and you're not, and I know that if a "pretty lady" wants to give me a dispassionate handjob in the restroom, 9 times out of 10 I'm not going to protest. Mostly guys just wanna get off. We're dogs when it comes to our dicks, remember? I'd only protest if I liked the girl a lot.

Also, you say "the ending [is] the biggest clue to him as a seducer", and I agree that his behavior appears flippant and dissembled, but my criticism has always been with Haneke's portrayal of the character. I'm not trying to defend the character, I'm saying Haneke fails to render a character fully encompassing the actions and traits attributed Walter. I do not find Walter's character credible.

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We'll agree to disagree ... when he says 'But I love you', to me, that is all part of his game. It's more seduction and nothing more. Or, perhaps he wants ot believes a little in the infatuation and Erika is destroying it somewhat. Afterwards when he dances down the corridor and says she'll improve I saw this as the game and as Walter laughing at her.

I've finished reading the book now and Haneke did a really good job adapting it to film because the book's narrative consists of dialogue in the three characters' heads only. There is no outside, or objective, narration. To make a picture from thoughts in a character's head is pretty good going. The book makes Walter's seductions clearer than the film. I think the film was more sympathetic to all three whereas the book is an ironic and scathing satire on Austrian society and narcissism.

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well I guess I can play this game too. You see, when he's dancing, it's just an evil spirit inhabiting him. That evil spirit slips into his urethra after he ejaculates. Hananke had to cut out the sound made by this evil spirit because it created some confusion with North American test audiences, but in his directors cut to be released near the twilight of his career, it's gonna be gushing loud and proud over surround sound systems across America. "Haha, take that you television junkies!"

In other words, Walter is not to blame for his mad dance of glee in the restroom! poor little guy.

Cause I don't think Haneke meant to create a sympathetic portrait, just a more immediately sensationalistic one. Guess we just disagree.

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I'm not playing a game with you and I'm sorry that an interesting discussion has dwindled into nothing short of trolling.

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I disagree. There is still something interesting here.

Because all art is artifice, it is each audience member's individual duty to fill a movie with meaning. Maybe someday someone will unveil two hours worth of a black screen and declare it art, and maybe a few days later someone else will call it a masterpiece. I won't join in though. How do we validate the worth of something when its value depends on subjective interpretation? Both of us can view the same identical five minutes worth of film, as we did here, and come away with two separate interpretations. We have reached an impasse.

Now I can only appeal a different film featuring a similarly duplicitous character and attempt to illuminate this character's expressed complexity in comparison to Walter's unsophisticated delineation.

So I'm gonna compare Jackie Brown to The Piano Teacher.

So, this is why I think Jackie Brown is better than The Piano Teacher:

Jackie Brown is a duplicitous character. She plays everybody and wins. But Tarantino is real *beep* smart, you see, so he lets the audience believe in Jackie, because, after all, she is fighting for her life, right? Who wouldn't cheer for the forty-something woman who has had to scratch and claw for everything in her life, all of which adds up to very little: a low income job and a small apartment throttled by the LAX's jet engines every two or three minutes (if you listen closely you can hear them, cause Tarantino is really *beep* smart). I believe in Jackie, but she's a fox, no doubt, she plays everybody, including her love interest, Max Cherry (Robert Forster). If you watch the movie one time, you probably won't notice, cause Tarantio's real *beep* smart, but if you watch it multiple times you might notice that Pam Grier's performance hits a few false notes. Or that's sometimes the complaint. But the truth is that Tarantino is real *beep* smart, ya see, and so he had Pam Grier leave a few traces of insincerity throughout her performance. Now sometimes you get blustering characters, like Ordell (Samuel L. Jackson), and no one is ever surprised to see the slime revealed. But Jackie comes off as genuine, and this allows her to acquire our sympathies. It is only by careful inspection that we can unlock her disingenuous tendencies. There's the scene when she yells at Ordell on the balcony. It's overacted. There's the scene where she runs through the mall in a panicky search for Ray (Michael Keaton). It's overacted. There's the scene in the interrogation room in which she convinces Ray that Melanie (Bridget Fonda) burst in her dressing room and stole all the money. It's overacted. During each of these scenes featuring Pam Grier's overacting Jackie Brown is engaged in perfidy. She's a liar! And then there's the scene where she's convincing Max Cherry over the phone to help her steal the money. It's not overacted, but you can almost taste the honeyed drip of seduction in her voice. The woman is false! A perfect charlatan! Hollywood usually fails to draw such subtle lines, and my claim is that Haneke fails as well. As a result, Walter's character in not credible.





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I thought too that the attitude shift was surprising and maybe uncalled for. But then I watched the movie again and got a better insight into the character. what i got from rewatching this movie (many times), I understood that, the firs time he reads the letter, he reacts as many people would do. they would treat her as if she were unstable because her desires don't correpond to social norms. and because of that, he considers her as 'inferior' to him, as weak, so he treats her that way. he loses some of his respect for her, because she gave in to those 'disgusting' urges. but i believe that, although a part of him was actually repulsed by her sadomasochistic nature, the revelation triggered a part of him he perhaps didnt know existed. a part that is by itself repulsive, in which he himself might be excited by the same things that entice her, such as sadomasochistic activities. Ashamed of having those urges that are unfamiliar to him and that he recognizes as intolerable in society, he is in denial and what's the best way to remain in denial? shut the subject completely down, and especially put down the person who might be influencing you. So in order to deny, he insults her, he calls her sick, he becomes verbally aggressive. I believe that, the more aggressive he got towards her, the more he was struggling with his own urges and desires.
And let's not forget he might hold now a grudge against her. if you think about it, if he does indeed becomes aware of his own sexual urges, it would've been because of her. so if he had anyone to blame for his 'descent' and degradation, he would blame her, he would hold her entirely responsible. and being so angry at her, he might be taking out on her his own frustrations (firstly, because he has to take it out on someone, and secondly, it's convenient that that someone should be her because he blames her).

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Err before this thread goes off-topic, I'm going to say I understand the OP's credibility questions and I think book Walter is a much more consistently drawn character than movie Walter. In the book I think it's made very clear he's just trying to seduce her for the challenge, and that he is young, fickle, and somewhat misogynistic with a streak of cruelty that makes the attack at the end more understandable. She has rejected his overtures, attempted to gain control over the relationship, and injured his pride as a man and she must be "put in her place". The book has stronger feminist overtones, and there's no question Erika was victimized by an evil man who took advantage of her shyness and sexual repression.

The movie portrays Walter much more sympathetically: at least at first, he seems more innocent and claims to genuinely love her. I don't know if it's the actor's choice or Haneke's direction, but it does make his descent into primal violence somewhat jarring. I also think Isabelle Huppert is such a powerful, imperious presence it's hard to imagine her as anyone's victim, which gives the story more moral ambiguity. Again I don't know if it's an acting or directorial choice, but I reacted much differently to the characters in the book and the movie.

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To put it bluntly and not very articulately, it's because Walter is a total d!ick! Granted, the letter does mess with his head (moreso later on) but he never had any genuine emotions for Erika. He saw her as a challenge, a conquest. He was p*ssed that his usual womanizing techniques didn't work, and then when he thought he'd finally won, the letter was a slap in the face regarding what he was expecting. Initially, on maybe a subconscious level the letter opened the floodgates of his own masochistic desires that he didn't know that he had. That made him a tad cranky too considering he was used to being so sure of himself.

Until the letter, it was all just a game to Walter. After the letter, he felt that he wasn't in control of the situation anymore (something he'd never encountered) and continued the relationship as a game on his own terms.

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