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What about the knife at the end ?


I didn'tget that... Why does she stab herself and leaves just like that ?
That's a crazy film ; maybe it's just another crazy feature to this crazy film...

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That was her way out (of her life). Being so restrained made of her some kind of monster, but her life was equilibrated enough (super strict classical music training blocking her sexual desire, but it being blocked may have made it grown worse), until Walter broke that balance. Things couldn't work anymore.

Also she's just completely crazy.

Just sharing my opinion.

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What you're saying is meaningful... Thank you for helping with your opinion on the question. I love crazy films... It always takes you aback.

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I wonder, too: Do you think that Klemmer possibly assumes Erika's role at the film's end? Of being abusive/sadistic, if not toward himself, then toward others? If Erika leaves, then doesn't someone have to fill in to play the piece so the singer can perform? Was Klemmer playing that song during one of his lessons? If so, then it's perfectly plausible to think this is to be inferred.

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I thought something similar while watching this--I don't think it could be assumed or expected that he would get up to play the piece in her absence, but I think it is implied that he could very get up in front of the crowd and play it. It was a big deal for her to get to that point, but it was easy for him.

Also--and I never read the book, so I don't know if this is answered there--but I got the sense that she brought the knife in order to stab him, but when he saw him arrive with his gaggle of friends, seeing him smiling and jovial as though everything that had happened the night before was meaningless, that put her over the edge.

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I agree with your last paragraph Alex. And I haven't read the book either.

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I don't think she intended to stab him. I think the kninfe-in-purse was analogous to the razor-in-purse, only bigger -- because now, after the violent encounter with Walter, her pain is even greater than it was. She always needs to have at her disposal some method of self-harm -- that's one way of feeling in control.

"Till September, Petronella" -- a great short story by one of the greatest and too-little-known writers of the 20th c., Jean Rhys -- begins with the narrator (a very lost young woman) saying that once she realized she could kill herself any time she chose, she felt better.

From Isabelle Huppert, on control (tho not specifically about the knife):

In the case of La Pianiste (The Piano Teacher), Michael Haneke talks about control and loss of control, and he was filming a woman who I felt was more identified with the situation of the director. This is a woman who controls her desire, exactly as a director controls his own desire and the audience's desire. In the film, the woman is not the object of desire, she is the one who wants to control her desire. That is why as a film - I'm not even talking about the story - as a film it is interesting because he has changed the status of an actress in a film. That is why the sexual scenes were easier for me to do because I am not set up in the usual situation of being an object of a man's desire, I am the one who controls the desire of the man. So I felt completely protected by this change of focus.


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It was a self-determined penetration.

How do you like them apples?

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She was also taking back control of the relationship that she had with Walter,
throughout the movie you can see who has the control in each scene, and this
was her way to take back control (along with what everyone else has been saying)

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just like schumann, it wasn't her being bereft of reason, but just a fraction before when she realizes she's going insane and it torments her, she clings on for one last time.

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I agree. First I thought that she brings the knife, because she want to get in touch emotionally with Walter, by trying to commit suicide in front of him, but after I watched it again: no. When she saw what she teached to the boy, and there's no way back, she reached for that moment, grabbed it, and finally escaped. From the bars of the music. Erika left, there were no concert that evening, but she paid with her life for that freedom of insanity.

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But does the film actually suggest that she was going to die with that wound? or was it rather a symbolic gesture of externalising her torments?

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IMHO Haneke's films are sadistic and twisted. 'Funny Games' is the most perverted film I ever saw. Haneke wants to get your hopes up then crush them in the most visually shocking manner possible.
He is of the avant-garde, anarchist, depressing school of crap. Filmography is OK though.

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I just saw this last night. From what I saw she didn't stab herself that deep and it was away from the heart. I didn't get the impression she died.

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I agree with samuelbronkowitz. I don't think she died and I don't even necessarily think she brought the knife to attack Walter. This is a woman who self mutilates all the time to escape emotional pain. The knife to her was no more than a lipstick or change purse. I don't think she intended to kill herself. She discovered that when she finally got what she wanted all her life -- to be sexually subjugated and beaten with her mother in the next room -- it did nothing for her and left her just as dead inside as before. So cutting herself in the chest was just another step in what she already had been doing to herself - remember the bathtub?

Walter snubbed her at the concert, and knifing herself was her release. At first I thought it was going to be the Madame Butterfly scene but then you could see that the wound wasn't that deep, and it wa not in her heart, so she didn't kill herself.

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It partially has been taken from Kafka's "The Trial". Read the ending of "The Trial" and read the ending of Jelinek's "The Piano Teacher". (My english is too bad. I can't tell you the details:)

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In the book, she puts a knife in her purse because she intends to kill Walter, but changes her mind after seeing him happy, with friends, 'in the helo of sunshine' or something. In the end, she feels no anger towards him but realises that she is completely alienated and incompetent at life. She stabs herself in the heart but the wound is only superficial. In the end, Erika just hurries home. A very sad story, really.

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I thought it was symbolic. She stabs herself as a symbol of lost love, kind of carrying a torch. I got the impression she was breaking free to something new. Maybe I was wrong.

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I don't think she intended to kill herself and I don't think she dies by that wound. I do think that she inflicts that wound on herself as a way to take back the power from Walter: only she can hurt herself in a way that Walter never can.

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I appreciate all of these comments. I just finished this film for the first time, and I am left a tad ambivalent, but I do agree with the one poster who alluded to Schumann before he finally tips the edge of sanity. Thanks to the poster who noted the motives in the book-very helpful. I bought this film on the strength of Benoit's magnificent performance in LE ROI DANSE-a very talented actor.

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I agree, I also took it as symbolic.

Really, I think that when she saw Walter there, playing it off as if all was well...that made her want to hurt herself more than him. It's for the same reason people described as "cutters" take a razor blade to their skin. The temporary pain is enough to take your mind off of what's going on.

However, I ALSO saw it as symbolic. She stabbed at her heart.

Seeing the blood running down her shirt... I took it as her heart being broken, literally. Stabbed, bleeding, in need of healing.

This movie always makes me so angry at Erika because she could have had a real good chance with a guy that could've helped her to overcome so much, because he genuinely cared. That, and it doesn't hurt her that he was incredibly attractive.

At the same time, I do appreciate that there is no "happy ending." So many romances (if you want to call this that) these days always end with happy couples, but this is to attest that sometimes, things just don't work out, and you have to make a choice, for yourself, about how you're going to deal with it and where to go from there.

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This movie always makes me so angry at Erika because she could have had a real good chance with a guy that could've helped her to overcome so much, because he genuinely cared.

I don't think so. Erika's sexuality brings out what Walter really is: entitled, sadistic, manipulative, and emotionally imbecilic. Notice he is completely through with her after he rapes her, despite claiming that he needs her to "give" and to love him. Walter will continue hurting women in calculated ways, while Erika saves her cruelty for herself.

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Walter will continue hurting women in calculated ways, while Erika saves her cruelty for herself.
It makes me think how cruel that final scene is: Erika has been waiting to see Walter and we don't know her intention with the knife. He breezes in with his aunt and others and bids her a hello like she is just his piano teacher and not someone he's been involved with and raped the night before.

Both Erika and the audience need some release for the tension that had no release when Walter appeared and so she does what she knows best to do and self harms; shocking and releasing the audience.
my vessel is magnificent and large and huge-ish

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You're deluded. Walter was a sensitive, caring person before she made it perfectly clear she deserves to be treated like nothing more than a filthy piece of meat, and that's what he did.

The only thing that infuriated me about this movie was that Walter finds a sublimely dirty harlot like this woman and then is too much of a wimp to give her what she wants. Here's a woman who knows her place in life desperately looking for a man strong enough to give it to her, but this imbecile is too young and stupid to understand it.

what a shame.

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"Den Gleichen Gleiches, den Ungleichen Ungleiches."

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Walter is sensitive and caring? I think you missed the entire point of the movie. Just like Walter, Erika's behavior reveals your inner disgust for women and your desire to bring them harm.

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This movie always makes me so angry at Erika because she could have had a real good chance with a guy that could've helped her to overcome so much, because he genuinely cared.

You mean this guy? I don't think so. This was all about the battle for control between the two of them and of course in the end he wins. (The extent to which it's symbolic of the relationship between men and women in society generally is open to debate but there are plenty of clues if you ask me).

Walter is basically a complete bastard who just wants to hump and dump her. A guy who genuinely cared could have engaged with her fantasies in a playful and creative way and just maybe there would have been the basis for a satisfactory relationship. (Although something tells me Jelinek and Haneke aren't of the same opinion).

I used to want to change the world. Now I just want to leave the room with a little dignity.

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Walter is basically a complete bastard who just wants to hump and dump her. A guy who genuinely cared could have engaged with her fantasies in a playful and creative way and just maybe there would have been the basis for a satisfactory relationship. (Although something tells me Jelinek and Haneke aren't of the same opinion).


While I really did Walter had done that, you must agree most "normal" men would find that letter incredibly weird. You calling him a "bastard" after he made EVERY ATTEMPT to reach her emotionally just shows how immature you must be.

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"Den Gleichen Gleiches, den Ungleichen Ungleiches."

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What a brilliant & disturbing Ending.

According to wikipedia: Erika stabs herself in the shoulder and leaves the foyer. Her onscreen injury is not especially severe, but the implication is that further self-harm will ensue.


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thanks for giving an insight to what the novel actually says. all these other crazy assumptions that have been posted so far don't take her personality into account and rather sound like snippets taken from other movies. your explanation was also pretty close to what i thought about this scene. it's pretty obvious that she wanted to kill walter after what he had done to her. her stab at herself is nothing more than a way to bury her emotional pain under real pain. how people get that she wanted to kill herself with such a short, shallow stab through her coat in a non-lethal area is beyond me.

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If I hadn't seen a Haneke film before, I think I would have thought she was either going to stab him or commit suicide.

I don't think she herself knew entirely what she was doing, and I think it was a combination of different motives.

Some velvet morning when I'm straight...

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Why doesn't anyone who comes up to her at the last recital say anything about the bruises on her face? Like this movie but gosh, was it odd!

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Personally I thought it was pretty clear just from the film itself that she went there with the intention to stab Walter, but couldn't do it and turned her frustration and anger in on herself, as women are traditionally wont to do.

It didn't seem like a fatal wound to me, but I wasn't sure. Perhaps it's not really that important, the point is that she turns her anger inwards.

I used to want to change the world. Now I just want to leave the room with a little dignity.

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Haneke's films are preoccupied with casual violence, brutality and abuse that goes by without anyone acting up to stop it. The fact nobody even dares to mention Erika's obvious black eye is part of Haneke's condemnation of this willful inaction.

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I think that there is tragedy to Walter's character as he is initially very hesitant of any violent sexual activity. However, he also seemed to have aggressive sexual urges beneath him and it is even more tragic that they both have similar tastes yet are so far off. Erika wants to be 'powerless', yet she has specific instructions, showing that she still had control over the whole scheme. Walter constantly disobeys and does not care for any of her rules because he, like her, wants to be in absolute control. So even though he sexual abuses her and mistreats her mother (like she wanted) it is not in the manner she specified and therefore feels empty and depressed when it is over.

I think Walter's smile and politeness at the end doesn't show he is no longer interested, it shows that he is still in control and does not acknowledge that she hated the experience. She could have hurt herself for a number of reasons, to give herself back control, to excuse herself from performing in an environment that she despises or in an act of genuine self hatred.

The ending is cold and disgusting, showing that her sexual urges may never be fulfilled, that she will never find anyone that will truly love her, and she will never be satisfied. Walter can, as he is still young, attractive, more confident and probably more talented and this absolutely crushes her.

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