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Five simple things they could have done to save this stinker

posted 12 years ago by Captain_film
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1. Get rid of the whole wedding sequence. So slow and unnecessary.
2. Tighten up the whole first act by opening with the crew finding the B4 stuff on the planet. Work backwards explaining what they were doing there.
3. Make Wesley Crusher that nameless tactical officer that gets sucked out of the bridge. His death would have gotten a few laughs in an otherwise humorless movie. Don't give him any lines cause from what I've seen from the deleted scenes the guy can't act.
4. Shorten the end fight sequence by about 15 minutes. Cut out the dull Riker fight scene.
5. I don't think that killing data off was a bad idea. End the movie with the farewell scene on the bridge followed by the enterprise in space and skip the whole b4/blue skies scene.

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[–] KobiyashiMauru 12 years ago

1. Listen to Nicholas Meyer and deep six this script!
2. See #1
3. See #1
4. See #1
5. See #1

[–] rumipoet24 12 years ago

Lord what a stinker , Lord what a stinker , lord what a stinker .

RIP this was the bitter end and even with the sacrifice of one of its great beloved charcters the android Data that didnt even pack a punch , just into the void pitiful . The writers should still be squirming & waking up in the night screaming covered in Klingon flesh eating Malorian worms for dishing this lame retarded vehicle out at us .

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[–] bjlevine 12 years ago

Because he had already written it in 1982.

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[–] kerryedavis 12 years ago

Why was Crusher even there? Once he joined the Traveler he should have been off... traveling!... the galaxy/universe, almost like another Q.

[–] Blackjack254 12 years ago

Wesley was there because the director never saw a TNG episode in his entire life.

People hated Insurrection for being nothing more than a lighthearted romp that was true to the show, so Paramount was pressured to make Nemesis its polar opposite, hince the hiring of someone with no knowledge of the show.

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[–] smeth 12 years ago

I think the problems lie with the story itself. Picard's vampire clone tries to destroy Earth.

What could be wrong with that?

1) Picard's clone. What was the purpose of that? We get to see Picard and Shinzon talk about how growing up advantages and happiness make one good, growing up with bad people and deprivation make the other bad. The concept is never really developed beyond that. Maybe the Data/B4 parallel shows B4 being redeemed after being used as a tool, but none of the characters really struggle with moral ambiguity.

2) Vampires. I don't get it. Shinzon chases Picard for blood. The Remans look like Nosferatu. It just comes off as an easy gimmick to make the bad guys seem bad. It doesn't really play off the nature vs. nurture theme.

3) Destroy Earth. How many times can they use this before the audience walks away? This was the 4th Star Trek movie to use Earthly destruction as a major plot point. If you add in the 4 other ST movies that involves plans to destroy some other planet, that's 8/10 borrowing the deathstar threat.

Add to that another BALD villain and you've got just another formulaic Star Trek movie.

[–] bjlevine 12 years ago

I think that the original idea was that Shinzon was supposed to be Picard's son, but Stewart had an issue with that.

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[–] smeth 12 years ago

"Shinzon was supposed to be Picard's son"

That MIGHT have helped, especially if the story had gone in a different direction (instead of Picard's son trying to steal daddy's blood and then destroy Earth). To think of the hundreds (thousands?) of sci fi novels that don't have a bald villain killing Earth, you think they could borrow a more original plot, rather than borrowing from earlier Star Trek movies.

[–] monstermayhem32 12 years ago

I do wonder if Shinzon would have been Picard's lost son if that would have helped give the character a better motivation for revenge feeling that he was abandoned by him. In case of Wesley, he was still a traveler but was given a lieteunant uniform when thinking the wedding between Will and Deanna was going to be a nude Betazoid traditional wedding which explains why he was in uniform.

[–] Sovereign_Knight 12 years ago

I'm going to have to go with KobiyashiMauru. Should have just gotten rid of the script and started over.

... or you could just let real writers write stories. I hate fan fiction.

[–] Chelios24 12 years ago

I remember when this was in development, it suffered from the Wrath of Khan syndrome. Even before shooting started there was talk that they needed to bring in a Khan-like villain, i.e. a villain with an ax to grind.

So they made one up. It's been a long time since I've seen this movie, but when I was younger the most glaring flaw was the over-edited nature of the film. Way too much was cut, way too much was left in.

[–] stumpmee77 12 years ago

5) Instead of rehashing Wrath of Kahn, use TOS episode Balance of Terror.
5a) Ditch all the action sequences save the space battle.

4) Troi and Riker already married and on the Titan and help the Enterprise during the battle.

3) Shinzon has an assistant and spouse named Sela

2) No B4 subplot period.

1) Data leaves the Enterprise to do something else other than die.