Problems with the Scimitar


First off, lack of creativity. A ship that was bigger than the Enterprise with more guns with primary and secondary shield generators. Plus it can fire while cloaked. Sound familiar? Oh, and it has a dirty bomb to ensure genocide, and built for that very purpose. And it was built at a secret location to be a predator.

Just with that the Narada was FAR more intimidating and creative. A mining ship from the future that has been armed to the teeth with futuristic weapons and a weapon that doesn't blow up planets or just kill everyone, but a weapon that consumes a planet in a black hole that was originally intended to save lives by destroying a supernova that would destroy all life around it.

Another problem is that just to fire thalarons, the entire ship has to undergo a major configuration change. The Narada did a big budget laser drill deployment, but nothing as elaborate as transforming the Narada from a ship into a space gun.

Though being able to fire while cloaked is an excellent attack strategy, it has been used before. From a Star Trek New Frontier comic, there was a Federation starship that was capable of local time shifting, meaning a matter of minutes. This would then give that ship to literally be at more than 2 places at once. Now if the Scimitar had that capability, then it can be a much smaller ship and easier for Picard to get to the bridge.

Why only Picard being the key? The only need Shinzon has with Picard is that he needs his blood to live, even though he wants a legacy to outshine Picards. Doesn't make sense. If the thalaron weapon had some sort of decay, in other words needs to be fired within a certain time frame, I can see. As well it would have made more sense if Data and Picard had stolen an irreplaceable vital component to the thalaron weapon, then another reason for the Scimitar to give chase.

Another problem is with Shinzon. He hates Romulans, and he hates Picard. Yet he want to destroy Earth so Romulus can invade. "I know how he thinks," eh? If it was more elaborate like he wants to hurt Picard and Romulans by destroying Earth, that would make more sense.

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So, how would this movie have worked had Shinzon wanted to destroy Romulus and Picard stopped him. Seems a bit more interesting to me.

Either way, moot, since Romulus gets eaten by a star in the next movie.

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Pardon my ignorance, but which next movie?

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Star Trek 2009. You may have heard of it.

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You can't complain about the Scimitar and then go on to say that the silly looking Narada thing in Star Trek 09 was alright. It was just as overdone and laughable as the Scimitar. A giant blowfish versus a sea anemone...both are stupid looking designs for space ships. I am constantly surprised at how Trek 09 took so much from Nemesis yet it was loved and Nemesis was hated.

The rest of your criticism is spot on.

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I concur on the Narada deal. I've watched that movie several times now and I've come to realize that other than seeing a giant steel blooming onion we have no real idea of what it looks like.

Additionally, even if it is a mining ship, why would the design be so dramatically different from actual canon Romulan craft?
Sure, the from the future part, but its first viewing that is straight from TNGera. So the weapons are so powerful that it completely decimates a ship the near same vintage as NCC-1700 series Constellation class?

And its equiped with solid fuel torpedoes, ala ST:ENT? We see no energy weapons fired that I remember, just these incredibly powerful missiles that overtake the
deflector shields?

Quoting Memory Alpha

Shield strengths seemed to vary, making an exact calculation of how much damage they could take impossible. However, there were some examples:
A Constitution-class starship's shields could take the equivalent of ninety photon torpedoes at once. (TOS: "The Changeling")

So the Narada's missles were equivalent to 90 photon torpedoes? Or maybe 45, and they just came so fast . . .

I realized I got incredibly OT there, sorry.


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JJ Abrams is not one to do things in a small way.

I always thought the Narada looks like the Shadow ships in Babylon 5.
http://www.jennysb5world.3owl.com/b5wallpaper/640shadow.jpg
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091223024560/startrek/images/f /fd/Narada_over_Vulcan.jpg

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Definite similarity. One standing still, the other wind swept.


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I don't see any problems regarding the Scimitar and the Narada. The Scimitar is built by the Remans several years before the Romulans built the Narada for mining purposes.

The Narada was also not even armed to the teeth, not in a 24th century way. Here a Starfleet wessel such as the Enterprise-E would have no problems destroying the ship, considering the Enterprise-E was specially built to battle the Borg.
I even bet that a ship like the Voyager would be able to destroy it, considering what kind of weapons it had.

In 23rd century way, the ship might have looked as if it was armed to the teeth, but that is only because it was armed with 24th century weapons, who was no match for the standard 23rd century Starfleet wessels.
But it did make Starfleet think in other directions regarding their ships and the result for that is the much larger and more powerful Enterprise, that would be able to deal with such a threat.

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But it did make Starfleet think in other directions regarding their ships and the result for that is the much larger and more powerful Enterprise, that would be able to deal with such a threat. >>> And become a submarine. Don't forget the Enterprise is now a submarine too! Amazing what a silly looking sea anemone from the future can make Starfleet of the past come up with!

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