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Were Riker and Troi married when this story began or after it ended?


I watched it a couple times and still have trouble figuring this out - I think I just missed a line or two of dialogue somewhere along the line.

Can someone tell me what specific dialogue proves whether or not Riker and Troi are already married in this story? Thanks.

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After. They were going to have a Betazoid wedding which meant everyone would be nude. There are several lines of Warf complaining about this, and it was clear it hadn't happened yet.

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Thanks, michael. But is there an onscreen line of dialogue which proves the Betazed function is the wedding and not merely some kind of reception after the fact?

Or maybe there's some dialogue in a TNG episode which establishes the nudity custom of Betazed weddings?

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They were married at the beginning of the movie, but there was supposed to be another wedding ceremony that would take place on betazed.

Can someone tell me what specific dialogue proves whether or not Riker and Troi are already married in this story? Thanks.


and your wife would never forgive me if anything were to happen to you. You have the bridge Mr Troi.


Or maybe there's some dialogue in a TNG episode which establishes the nudity custom of Betazed weddings?


It's referenced numerous times in the series, but there was that one episodes where Lwaxanna Troi was supposed to be married to some guy she never met, and when she shows up at the ceremony naked, he gets offended and leaves.

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Thanks, Wanderer, that helps a lot.

Do you have any ideas as to why Riker and Troi needed to have two wedding ceremonies instead of just one?

Also, when Picard tells them, "There's still time to change your mind", does he just mean about them leaving the Enterprise?

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One was on Troi's home planet and one was on Rikers. They wanted to cater for both sets of family or it is Betazed (sp?) tradition.

And the changing your mind bit is about them leaving the Enterprise.

"My name is Lt. Aldo Raine"

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Thanks, akb.

It's a little regrettable that the script makes so little use of the wedding itself. It would've been nice if the wedding was shown and maybe even impacted by the Shinzon conflict. Maybe if there hadn't been that two-hour time constraint.

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No. You're confused. They were going to have two ceremonies. They had already had one, human wedding. There was going to be a second ceremony, on Betazed. This isn't uncommon, as even today, multifaith families sometimes have a wedding featuring both belief systems.

Prof. Farnsworth: Oh. A lesson in not changing history from Mr. I'm-My-Own-Grandpa!

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Yeah, someone already pointed that out. It was confusing to me when I saw the film.

I thought they'd just gotten married when I saw reception at the beginning, but then when they were talking about getting married on Betazoid, I figured that was just a reception on earth in honor of their pending weapon for people who couldn't make it to Betazoid (or who wouldn't strip down for a Betazoid wedding).

Storywise it was kind of pointless to have two weddings (especially when we don't see either of them). The first wedding is just an excuse to include a very boring reception scene which is not important to the plot at the beginning of the movie, and the second wedding is just to give the Enterprise a first mission that in true Star Trek fashion can be interrupted by events in the film, but that could have been anything, for example: "Riker, it's vitally important that we deliver these tax forms to the Federation accountant on Starbase 7"; "Captain! I'm picking up a positronic signature on the ships scanner...."

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Betazed is the name of the planet, Betazoid is the name of the intelligent race who arose on Betazed.

Honor their pending weapon?

Storywise it was kind of pointless to have two weddings (especially when we don't see either of them).


No, it really isn't. It fits the characters and the society in which they live. Humans and Betazoids have vastly different cultures. We don't have to see everything that's mentioned in dialog. Especially when the dialog establishes the "missing" scenes.

Prof. Farnsworth: Oh. A lesson in not changing history from Mr. I'm-My-Own-Grandpa!

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The fact that Picard is giving a speech at the wedding reception indicates that they had just gotten married. The reception generally comes AFTER the ceremony.

Unless you mean something else by "already married in this story."

Prof. Farnsworth: Oh. A lesson in not changing history from Mr. I'm-My-Own-Grandpa!

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