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Capt'n Janeways cameo..+ .....

posted 13 years ago by terryperring104
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Just a few 'nitpicks' on this movie

1) On the DVD, Stuart Bairds directors commentary (Very 'Richard Dawkins'..) goes very quiet when Kate Mulgrew has her cameo as Janeway. Not a word is said. Why? Did they not get on/ Anybody else would have said SOMETHING, it was a noteworthy scene for star trek fans..
2)From the wedding scene, its amusing that lift music still exists in the 24th century
3)Hardy's hair is visible and its obvious he's just had a closely shaven haircut. He has a full head of hair in '5'o clock shadow form. They should have used make up.

Question: Baird also goes quiet during a scene I didnt understand; when data helps Picard on the Scimitar by pretending to be B4. When was that explained/set up in the narrative?

[–] terryperring104 13 years ago

yes

[–] mcgmcgmcg 13 years ago

How did she get to be Admiral before Picard?
I'm not clear on the timeline but wouldn't she still be stuck on Voyager in the Delta Quadrant when this was happening?

[–] samhain4000 13 years ago

1) On the DVD, Stuart Bairds directors commentary (Very 'Richard Dawkins'..) goes very quiet when Kate Mulgrew has her cameo as Janeway. Not a word is said. Why? Did they not get on/ Anybody else would have said SOMETHING, it was a noteworthy scene for star trek fans..

Baird knew absolutely nothing about Star Trek and probably didn't even know who she was or that she was on Star Trek Voyager for seven years. He probably just thought she was some actor for the day. This is the same guy who kept calling LeVar Burton, Laverne and thought his character was an alien.

[–] NCC011701 13 years ago

TNG, DSN were off the air when Voyager came back at the end of the series. The next series Enterprise was about the past. The only thing that happened after the end of Voyager was Nemesis and then next thing that happens is JJ's Star Trek.

So pretty much, the standard canon Trek series timeline ended when Voyager returned to Earth. And next apperance of Janeway is as an Admiral in Nemesis.

Why is this so complicated and causing this much of an arguement? Are you looking for the "offical" explanation like they wanted Jeri Ryan to do a part in Nemesis but she turned them down because she was doing that TV show and Kate Mulgrew was out of work, so they wrote her in as an Admiral to give Picard orders? Ok, there you have it.

[–] Revolver_Mustachio 13 years ago

Also, just to add to your point, Picard strikes me as the same type as Kirk. He would rather be a Captain of a Starship than an Admiral stuck in one location.

"I'm really glad that worked, those would've been terrible last words!" -The Doctor

[–] Doc80 11 years ago

Exactly, Picard probably could have been an Admiral a long time ago but he is an explorer, his place is on a starship.

[–] tsb2rxn 10 years ago

Kirk himself told Picard he should never give up being a captain because that is where he can make a difference.

[–] AceTheMovieCritic 13 years ago

What's funny is that wasn't the argument at all...
The real question, I wouldn't call it argument because no one was getting as if it was some big thing, was why the director went silent at that point in the commentary. Nobody made it like it was a big deal.

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[–] bjlevine 13 years ago

And its possible that Picard took Kirk's words to heart about staying in the command chair where he can really make a difference.

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[–] Rockhound6165 13 years ago

It's not unusual to not take a promotion. How many times was Riker offered his own command only for him to turn it down?

[–] kerryedavis 12 years ago

However, at the end of Nemesis, Riker has accepted his own command.

[–] king_of_bob 12 years ago

Indeed, he has. However, accepting his own command is different than accepting a desk job. Picard is not, and never was a desk job kind of guy. He would rather die in the captains chair than accept a desk job.

Prof. Farnsworth: Oh. A lesson in not changing history from Mr. I'm-My-Own-Grandpa!

[–] Maniac-9 12 years ago

They live in a future where money means nothing so him becoming an Admiral wouldn't in any way be motivated by anything like that. So why wouldn't you stay in the job you enjoy more then being promoted to a position that would more then likely bore you?

[–] dutch7219 12 years ago

With all the rated Command time she earned.

Really, other than trying to shoehorn her in. There's no logical sense that she would be promoted. I wouldn't even really have a problem if she were still a Captain and just working in operations. Calling up Jean Luc to give him the mission.

Imagine if Voyager hadn't come across CPT Ransom and the USS Equinox? Maybe they make it back, he tells all the harrowed stories of their adventures, how his leadership is the only reason they made it back, explored strange new worlds, sought out new life and new civilizations, boldly went where no man has gone before.
Then Star Fleet promotes him and his unhinged, any solution, style of command.

Sorry, just always irriated me.

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[–] tonycarr 12 years ago

She got lost for seven years. Promote her out of the way so she can't get lost again and let proper Captains like Picard do the real work

[–] king_of_bob 12 years ago

She didn't get lost. The ship she was Captaining was pulled from the local region of space. It took her 7 years to get her ship and crew back home. But the fact that she managed to do it at all, with virtually no contact with home is a testament to her command ability.

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[–] Welsh_Pirate 11 years ago

She didn't get lost. The ship she was Captaining was pulled from the local region of space.

And then she fired torpedoes at the device that could send them home, with the intentional purpose of destroying it. Her command ability is the reason it took them 7 years to get home, rather than 30 seconds.

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[–] king_of_bob 11 years ago

And then she fired torpedoes at the device that could send them home, with the intentional purpose of destroying it.

As I recall, the device didn't have enough power to send them back. I didn't really watch that show very closely or commit it to memory. Not one of my favorite Trek shows.

And "intentional purpose" is redundant.

Prof. Farnsworth: Oh. A lesson in not changing history from Mr. I'm-My-Own-Grandpa!

[–] JamesMcFly 10 years ago

I know this is a bit late but... OH Sh$&! LOL! That was funny!

[–] king_of_bob 12 years ago

How is ANYONE supposed to know? The only person who could possibly answer your question is the director himself. Anything anyone says here is going to be pure speculation.

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[–] magic8ball2112 13 years ago

Presumably, the last ep. of Voyager aired well before the events of Nemesis. As Kirk taught us in the movies, the Admiral rank doesn't do much beyond desk-jockeying. However, likely after having spent X number of years on the run on a beatendown little starship with absolutely no support from an entity like Starfleet, I wouldn't be surprised if Janeway decided she'd had it with deep space flying & opted to stay Earth-bound, lol.

*EDIT*
What's more, as to the question of how she could have an admiral's rank while Picard is still a captain: Starfleet probably gave her the promotion for the exploits of Voyager in the Delta Quadrant, not to mention with as few casualties as they incurred. Although.. in that series' finale the ship had returned w/ a greater loss of crew til she went back in time to enable the ship to return to Earth sooner than it 'originally' did, via a Borg conduit.

[–] bjlevine 13 years ago

Yeah, I think Janeway might have found the desk job to be a bit refreshing.

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[–] dan-willi84 12 years ago

Captain Janeway and the Voyager crew finally return home to Earth. Janeway was promoted to Admiral.

[–] dan-willi84 12 years ago

Voyage and Deep Space Nine happen the same time as The Next Generation.

[–] agent_tau 12 years ago

Voyage and Deep Space Nine happen the same time as The Next Generation.

This is incorrect.

A first season TNG episode explicitly states the year as 2364, whilst a first season Voyager episodes explicitly states the year as 2371.

Also, Voyager's last episode was set on stardate 54973.1, whilst Nemesis was set on stardate 56844.9. Assuming stardates progress linearly, it proves Nemesis was set after Voyager got home, thus clearing that point up.

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[–] king_of_bob 12 years ago

I believe what the above poster means is that they were not separated by 100 years like the original series and TNG.

TNG, DS9 and Voyager are all the same "generation" of Star Trek. Not all events occur at the same time, but there is no large gap between the end of one series and the beginning of the next.

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[–] kerryedavis 12 years ago

In terms of Star Trek, for "at the same time" it's really sufficient to break it down to Archer, Kirk, and Picard time periods. Everything else is pretty minor in comparison. In that sense, DS9 and VOY were in the same timeframe as TNG.

DS9 began while TNG was already in progress, partway through season 6 to be specific, and that's also when O'Brien left the Enterprise and joined the station crew as their chief engineer. Worf didn't join them until after TNG was done, at a time when the Federation-Klingon cooperation was beginning to break down.

Voyager began while DS9 was already in progress, and using a brand new design of ship that hadn't existed before. The movable warp nacelles were a solution to the destroying-subspace problem found in the last season of TNG, just over 2 years earlier by our calendar.

[–] king_of_bob 12 years ago

Picard doesn't want to be an Admiral. If it was offered, he would have refused just like he did in the first season. He doesn't want a desk job. The reason he's in Star Fleet is for the adventure and excitement. He even pretty much explains this in the movie.

And no, she shouldn't still be stuck in the Delta Quadrant. You need to look up the Star Trek timeline.

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[–] Foxbarking 11 years ago

"How did she get to be Admiral before Picard?"

Picard was actually offered a promotion to not only admiral, but commandant of Star Fleet Academy in the very first season of "Star Trek: The Next Generation," but he turned it down. So technically he was offered promotion likely about 15 years before Janeway was.

[–] HawkeyePierce4077 11 years ago

She brought her ship home from the delta quadrant after 7 years

[–] thisnameinuse 10 years ago

There's a great take on this in the StarDestroyer.net recap of ST:Nemesis.

Janeway appears, and says, "Hey Jean-Luc, I'm an Admiral, and you're not."

Hahaha...

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[–] eddysl12 12 years ago

John Glenn was considered a hero after he survived re-entry with a questionable heat shield. He was not allowed to go back into space until decades later because the high-ups didn't want risk losing a hero. The same could be true with the Voyager crew. They were all probably promoted but not allowed to go on any more deep space assignments for the indefinite future.

[–] monstermayhem32 12 years ago

In the Star Trek Voyager Homecoming Novel which takes place shortly after the Voyager finale of Endgame, Janeway receives a promotion to Admiral.

[–] baheidstu-351-733122 12 years ago

It's likely Shinzon shaves his head. From what I remember on the series, Picard still had hair when he was that age and even when he's older still has hair on the back and sides of his head, he's not completely bald, so obviously Shinzon shaves his. The only true goof is having Hardy appear as young Picard in a photo, again, because Picard had a full head of hair at that time.

[–] Neoblackdragon 12 years ago

Of course maybe Picard was experimenting with his hairstyle. I and plenty of guys I've known in college experimented with hairstyles. It could simply be that at that period of time Jean Luc shaved his hair. Shinzon does the same thing. When Jean Luc got older he returned to shaving his hair and of course naturally he started to bald.

The show pretty much revealed that Jean Luc was balding at the top but fully capable of growing his hair.

[–] king_of_bob 12 years ago

I think being bald in that photo was more so people wouldn't get confused. "Why is Picard looking at a picture of Shinzon with hair" and all that. If they recognized Tom with hair at all.

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[–] king_of_bob 11 years ago

You should start using nest view so the person you're replying to actually sees your post.

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[–] eric20other2002 10 years ago

Captain Picard has never shown an interest in becoming Admiral. In Star Trek Generation, Captain Kirk told him to never let Starfleet take him away from that Captain's chair.
At this point it had been about 2 years since Captain Janeway and the Voyager crew reached Earth, during her time in the Delta and Beta Quadrants she managed to make First Contact with a few new species, there was even dialogue in a Voyager stating that she made contact with more new species than Picard did and she was like Kirk in making new discoveries. This could be why she was promoted to Admiral. Also she did leave Ambassador Neelix on that world, so now they have a way to communicate with someone in the Delta Quadrant.
I think the cameo was more for the fans of that series but the timeline does fit.

[–] TMC-4 8 years ago

http://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/star-trek/248258/star-trek-nemesis-what-went-wrong

In a revelation that will shock few who have seen the film, Stuart Baird (helmer of films such as Executive Decision and US Marshalls, and long-time film editor) had no knowledge of Star Trek before becoming director of Nemesis. He even refused to watch any of the Next Generation TV series to prepare (and reportedly went so far to say he hated the franchise, and had to be forced to watch the preceding films, allegedly), so it's no wonder so many fans feel the characters act strangely.

It's reported that the director even kept calling LeVar Burton 'Laverne' and thought Commander LaForge was an alien. If you watch some of the extras on the DVD and the extra-extras on the Blu-ray it comes across that the majority of the cast were less than enamored with the director.

Jeri Ryan was approached to reprise Seven Of Nine in Nemesis and the part would have required a couple of months of filming, according to the actress. This was something Paramount wanted and Rick Berman was intending to plug her into the film. The actress had more sense, and even had to tell the production team that Seven being at the wedding reception in the movie would have made no sense bearing in mind the character hadn't met any of the Next Generation crew. As a result, Vice Admiral Janeway makes a brief appearance to give Captain Picard orders instead, which some fans found a bit odd.