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Is this really the worst Bond film?


This is by no means a great movie, but it's a guilty pleasure for me despite its incredible silliness.

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Yeah I loved this movie as well. People say that Brosnan's films were cheesy. However,when I think of cheese, the movies Moonraker, Octopussy, and A View to a Kill come to my mind. I enjoyed all four of Pierce Brosnan's Bond films.

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It's hard for me to pick my least favourite. 007 is one of the few franchises that I like every single one to some degree. I really don't hate any of them... unless you're counting the 1960s Casino Royale, I don't really count that one, but if I did then it's by far the worst Bobg movie ever. Every other one I like (including the unofficial Never Say Never Again).

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Well, you know your in trouble when Roger Moore says: "Die Another Day invisible car is the silliest things I've seen, and I was the Bond who went into outer space on a space shuttle!"

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Moore should've shut his mouth, his movies are among the worst and he ruined the character.

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Moore's not wrong

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For years I thought DAD was garbage. I guess I had only seen it once when it was originally in theaters. I'm just now rewatching it on television, and must say my opinion's changed. I'm actually enjoying it. I didn't even remember the first 20 or 30 minutes of the film, which was quite excellent. I think the terrible CGI later in the film was all that stuck in my memory. Overall, I'd give it a 6.5 if I were to rate it today. I think Brosnan was great in Die Another Day.

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^ This guy was getting it.

Interesting, after another flaccid Daniel Craig "Bond" film hits the shelves I guess time will push the 6.5s given to this film even higher. Yes, it has it's issues but at least it has the semblance of what James Bond is meant to be, whilst giving a nod to the changing world he inhabits.

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The first half of the movie is excellent. Its once we get to the ice palace that things start to go down hill with invisible cars and CGI windsurfing.

Quantum of Solace is the worst Bond movie. DAD is close, but at least i feels like a Bond movie. A View to a Kill is probably worse.

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Yeah, I agree - the first half is classic Bond, in particular that Cuban clinic seems a great mix between Thunderball and OHMSS (you can almost hear Terry Savallis talking to the patients!). If they'd just toned the CGI stuff down a bit and expanded / finished on the Ice Palace location, turned it into a real villain's layer, then this would be rated even higher up the list in my book.

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Also Koreans turning into white people is too much of a stretch.

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Well, I'm happy to let that one go - Thunderball and DAF had already long since established that kind of shenanigans was acceptable in the Bond universe!

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Well, in You Only Live Twice, Connery was turned into Japanese.

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His DNA wasn't mutated into turning Japanese, he was just horribly disguised as one.

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To me, it pretty much comes down to this or Quantum of Solace as the worst Bond film.

But at least with Die Another Day, which actually started out quite promising with its engaging first half, I can laugh at how ridiculous and stupidly over-the-top it is. It's actually somewhat enjoyable in a "so bad it's good" or "guilty pleasure" kind of way. I feel the same way about Moonraker and A View to a Kill (and possibly even Diamonds Are Forever) they may be cheesy and cartoonish, but at least they're entertaining and memorable on some level.

With Quantum of Solace, however, I just get sooo bored of the grim cheerlessness and the fact that everyone is constantly brooding or pouting. The dialogue is well written but it's way too serious with an overly dramatic and depressing tone. There's some decent action here and there, but the movie is mostly forgettable and hard to sit through with its constant moodiness. To me, the Bond franchise was never supposed to be dark, gritty, and overly realistic. I prefer to have a good time when I watch these films. I wanna wish that I was James Bond, not feel sorry for him. The character works better when he's cocky, brash, and witty rather than being morose and overly vulnerable. Just my opinion.

But yeah, it basically comes down to choosing between two extremes. And overall, I'd rather laugh at a movie for being too silly and campy than be bored by one for trying way too hard to be deep and edgy.

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Completely agree. Bond movies are best when cheesy, Bond is a ladies man, and all the locations are exciting. There are plenty of other series if people want gritty. I'm kinda looking forward to when Daniel Craig is done because he's too stuck in moody mode.

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Fuck you. The best Bonds are cheese-free. Happily, your ignorance is no longer among us.

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Gotta admit this one is a guilty pleasure for me. When I redid my Bond rankings I was going to bump this one down to like 16th or so but when I rewatched it I just couldn't do it and I bumped it back up to 12th.

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Yes, it's either this or Diamonds Are Forever. I just can't stand the CGI effects at the end. This was the first one I saw in the theaters. If you want to torture me, make me watch it and remember in agony.

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It's down there among the worst of the Bonds, for sure. I try not to rate the bad ones against each other, because bad is bad and I just avoid them instead of doing a "lesser of two evils" thing.

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This is definitely not the worst Bond film as the beginning was very good. QoS and SPECTRE are way worse. However, I will say Die Another Day might be Brosnan's worst Bond film.

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My vote there would go to TWINE. Terrible plot, terrible expanded role for M (a sign of things to come) and a terribly utilised villain, wasting Robert Carlyle.

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This is my opinion exactly.

I recently watched all three to decide. I actually finished this and QoS. I couldn't get through Spectre again - it's so drab, plodding, and dark. It's also got some serious bs going - I will always recall him shooting down a helicopter while chasing it on the Thames in choppy water, with a handgun, with the helicopter a good 200 meters away.

QoS... couldn't see what was going on with the action scenes. Way too many edits. Way too Jason Bourne. No fun, no humor, but it was at least interesting to see Craig in his second outing to see if he was a fluke or not.

DAD had a solid first half - some of it was actually fantastic. Once he gets to Iceland it falls to crap, then through the crap, into a basement full of crap. But at least it has that first half.

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