seriously?I just finished the novel last night and watched that so called "the count of monte cristo movie.What the hell was that?Producers just bought name rights and the director filmed a very, very,very different story!It was really painfull for me to watch this movie.Albert, son of Edmond Dantes? Where is Bertuccio, beauchamp,debray, valentine and bad-ass Noirtier.I should've close the when Bonaparte gave letters to Edmond! ( still laughing omg)Guy Pearce maybe did a good acting but, his character Mondego was just a poor catolonian fisherman in the book and he was living in the same suburban/getto-like village with mercedes.Danglars, just hanged pfft.Read the book and see what happens.Villefort was terribly doomed.They just made a swashbuckling 1800's movie.I can give you many examples about how that movie turned a insult to a rich novel.But there will be many spoilers then.Shortly,book readers be aware:DONT WATCH ?T!
This has been discussed in numerous threads before. Who would deny, that this film is loosely based on Dumas novel only. While saying so, the first half is overall quite faithful to it’s source, whereas the second half is very different indeed. And so what? I liked the novel too, but some parts of Dumas revenge story really don’t make much sense. An attempt to have the numerous side characters from the book included in the film, would have made it unwatchable. It’s ridiculous, to expect that degree of faithfulness within a run time of 131 minutes. The way the screenwriter handled the material led to an excellent costume and adventure film. Sure, it is less complex than the novel, but they created a wonderful tale of friendship, betrayal, hatred and love IMO, one of the the best visualisations of a Dumas tale, I have seen. So, shortly (from another passionate book reader): DO NOT MISS IT!
Oh, and the Noirtier character (the father of de Villefort) is in the movie. Only his name has been changed to Clarion.
Yes the first half for the most part does the novel justice aside from a few changes to heighten the drama. The second half is almost completely different aside from the Rome part.
Clarion however was very different from Noirtier however and I understand why they changed the name. On a side note: I'm pretty sure Hector Salamanca from Breaking Bad was inspired by Noirtier, a man who is confined to a chair and cannot speak but is very insightful to what is going on around him.
Well, why discipline your with 131 minutes then. This novel deservers 3 movie atleats because as you know story is big,complex and you cant even compare this version of the film with the book.Producers just bought the name rights and the director shooted a different storyline.Maybe you can that count of monte cristo for kids.Atleats this movie deserves it.I hope, in the future a good and loyal director makes a trilogy about this novel.
Well, why discipline yourself with 131 minutes then. This novel deservers a trilogy because as you know story is big,complex and you cant even compare this version of the film with the book.Producers just bought the name rights and the director shooted a different idiotic storyline.Maybe you can call that count of monte cristo for kids.Atleats this movie deserves it.I hope, in the future a good and loyal director makes a trilogy about this novel. And, that clarion character maybe exist but this is not making him a Noirtier.
Do you really expect the producers going the risque and start a whole multi-multi-million-dollar movie trilogy, just to please the novel fan community? This isn’t Lord of the Rings stuff. The only way to film it as close to the book, as you desire it, is to make it into a TV mini series, which has been done several times before. So if you didn’t like this one, the Depardieu movie might please you instead: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0167565/?ref_=nv_sr_2 At six hours runtime it tries hard, to follow the second half of novel (the revenge part) very, very closely but it leaves out the first half of the book near completely. It doesn’t work IMO, it’s just incredibly lifeless und dull. And that is a much more serious insult to Dumas heritage than the Not-close-enough-to-the-book-allegation: To turn an exciting book into a boring film.
I agree with Rascar-Capac, it would obviously be ridiculous to transpose the novel into film directly. The book is undoubtedly a masterpiece, but it is, firstly, incredibly long and, secondly, quite vague in places. It simply wouldn't work. Furthermore, what would be the point in transposing an excellent book to film? Do you have this problem with all film adaptations of novels? If you enjoy something in one format then this need not mean that you can't enjoy an adaptation of it and appreciate the screenwriter's own artistic input. No, it's not the same as the book. If you want that then read the book again.
Why do we keep seeing people ragging on a movie because it was not completely faithful to the novel. Judge a movie on it's own merits, the source material is irrelevant to the worth of any movie.
It didn't exactly miss the mark with the book. Rather, it nuked the mark from orbit, and painted an entirely new one vaguely in the vicinity of the old...
I love the book; I re-read it about once a year or so. But I still enjoyed the film. It was a wonderfully bombastic, theatrical, overblown production. Jim Caviezel is not just a pretty face; he's a very good Dantes and would have done credit to the role even if the role had done credit to the book.
Having also read the book, I thought the movie was pretty close to brilliant. As others have stated, how can you possibly expect a 2 hour movie to accurately adapt an 800 or so paged book? It's a ridiculous notion to expect the film to be identical to the book. It wasn't so much that they left crucial characters out, but instead combined them. For instance, Jacapo, Ali, and Bertuccio are all combined into just Jacapo. There are just so many characters in the book. A standard full length film is just too short to introduce them all with their back stories.
Don't get me wrong, there is some silliness in the movie: Mercedes with the string tied around her finger for over 13-20 years, the annual whippings at the Chateau D'If, the chess piece... A pet peeve of mine was that they made his imprisonment 13 years instead of 14, because I guess, 13 is an unlucky number? I completely understand why these moments are in the movie (as symbols to advance complex relationships and experiences quickly), but I wish they could've gone about it differently.
But in that respect, there's also some major silliness in the book. The Count getting high with Franz, the long list of characters, the long and dull chapter dedicated to Luigi Vampa... in fact, I feel the that at times, the novel is unnecessarily padded, likely due to the fact that it was original published as a serial over the span of two years. It was NOT written as a novel. Just because its the source material, does not mean its immune from useless or silly moments (at least in my opinion). Compare the original Charlie and the Chocolate Factory book with the film Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory... the film wins hands down.
With all that said, Dumas wrote an amazing story with all the classic themes: betrayal, adventure, love, vengeance, friendship. It is certainly my favorite novel and the masterpiece many claim it to be, but this doesn't imply its perfection, and the same could be said for the films. They're both different mediums and experiences, which has to be accounted for.
It was very definitely padded. Dumas was paid by the line. Also, nobody bought th e rights to the book. It is has been in the public domain for a century.
I think it's a cop out when people defend the changes "what did you expect with a 2 1/2 hour film translating a 800 or so page book". However, that being said, what I enjoyed about the movie adaptation is that it kept the spirit of the novel, specifically with how it questions Edmond's obsession with revenge and how ultimately fruitless it is.
I also REALLY liked a lot of the changes the film had, like with Fernand's demise, the ending, I liked the twist of Albert being Edmond's son (another reason for Edmond to reject revenge and return to a life with a family), Edmond's father committing suicide for that initial drive for revenge (with the complicated emotions of guilt for his death), Fernand being Edmond's friend and being the condensed character from multiple traitors. I thought the book was great as well, but I think I'm one of those guys who leans a bit more to the film since it feels more focused.
I think it's a cop out when people defend the changes "what did you expect with a 2 1/2 hour film translating a 800 or so page book".
It's just reality. If an enormous novel is being used as the basis for a normal length movie there's going to be some serious reworking involved. At the very least there are going to be big deletions and typically big alterations go along with that to allow the movie to work as its own thing instead of just being a brief highlights reel of the book.
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Dante's revenge was just really over simplified in the film, I realize that they have to trim some of the fat but the movie should still stay true to the spirit of the source material.
I think the movie IS true to the SPIRIT of the book. I do agree with you that the story is simplified--no doubt about that--but as you say, the screenwriters have to "trim the fat." And unfortunately in this case "the fat" is necessarily a hell of a lot of the story. Dumas' book, after all, is over 1000 pages and we're talking about condensing that into a two-hour movie.
If you want something more faithful, it would need to be a mini-series.
Exactly and now that the 4 hour Justice League is going over well with fans, maybe they will decide that now is the time to make a Netflix mini-series for TCOMC that includes all of the various subplots and doesn't deviate from the source material too much. It would seriously take at least 9 hours to tell this whole story (TCOMC is the same length as the entire Lord of the Rings novel and even then the Lord of the Rings movie had to remove a lot of subplots)
It's actually kind of shocking to me that this hasn't been done. The story is amazing, there are no rights to have to pay for, and the 2002 movie was well-received.