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Why do people think this story is true...


...when the only evidence of Bobby Kent ever having been a 'bully' is the testimony of his murderers? AFTER THE FACT.



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There is plenty of evidence out there... I cant remember the site but there is one that goes over the trial, etc. Try googling.

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The writer of real book has his sources. Look it up.


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The only sources, as I already pointed out, for Bobby Kent being a bully are THE KILLERS.

No one else said they ever noticed it. That I'm aware of, and I read the book. There are some accounts by friends , but they are relaying info told to them by THE KILLERS.




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Ok awesome


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Dude there is plenty of evidence.

All the neighborhood kids reported that Bobby Kent was a bully. He used to throw rocks at and torment this "retarded" kid down the street just for fun.. Lets not forget he forced that gay guy to do that porno movie (which is absolutely fact)..

Also there were a lot of things in the book that the movie really never exposed as well.

Also, why would a bunch of kids, some of whom never met one another until that night just go out and kill a kid for no reason??

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Dude there is plenty of evidence.


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All the neighborhood kids reported that Bobby Kent was a bully.


No. Friends of the murderers told stories they heard from the murderers. No independent source that was not told by the murderers ever described Bobby Kent as a bully.


He used to throw rocks at and torment this "retarded" kid down the street just for fun..


Fiction made up by Jim Schutze in his widely discredited "true crime" book the movie was based on. He read some newspaper transcripts, little of the court, and relied.....surprise...on the testimony of...you guessed it..the murderers. It's not even sourced. On this one I have no contemporary source, so if you have one, I'm not beyond learning more (the retarded child allegations).

This is a contemporary article from the Sun Sentinel from 1993 (yeah I have tons of this stuff filed away or saved). This comes at a point where the case is already widely known and talked about. Notice they're still looking for a motive? HMMMM....seems strange this late into the investigation no one has mentioned bullying.

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1993-07-25/news/9301250859_1_puccio-b obby-kent-detectives


Lets not forget he forced that gay guy to do that porno movie (which is absolutely fact)


That would be the guy from Hollywood named in the Sentinel who dropped the charges. His name is Harry Suiter. Both Kent and Puccio did that, and they paid him (some accounts say food/money or drugs....take your pick). It was a stag film showing him sucking on a dildo while nude.

Also there were a lot of things in the book that the movie really never exposed as well.


The book is largely considered fiction, with the "true" bits coming from court testimony and fantasy. It's VERY careful of the way it uses it's language. Not much is said about the families, other than what was already public, because , as is true with most "true crime" novels, they are easily open to lawsuits. "True Crime" books are able to get away with alot of things that other writers would be drawn and quartered for.

For instance, the parents have no idea how Marty's bruises actually happened and he never told them. Slam dancing and mosh pits were all the rage then. It was common for people their age to have minor injuries like that after a night of.......ermm...fun? I guess why ppl consider that fun is another forum for another day.


Also, why would a bunch of kids, some of whom never met one another until that night just go out and kill a kid for no reason??


Happens a lot. Google "kids who kill kids" or ...ahh...there's a case where two kids kidnapped a toddler from a mall and killed him just to see what it was like. Why did that guy walk into a peacful Amish school and shoot a bunch of girls to death? Why did a mother just the other day shoot her....3 or maybe 4.....kids and then herself?

Sylvia Likens you could look up easy. A whole friggin neighborhood just tortured and murdered this girl for months. If you are not squeamish, get the book "The Indiana Torture Slaying". I warn you...it's probably the sickest thing you'll ever be exposed to in this field.

*back to Kent*

They were all ( depending on which one you believe....but more of them agree on this point than...I think Ally or Lisa---oh yeah we can trust that evil beotch---claim the drug stuff wasn't true).....that aside...they were , by MOST of their own accounts, all high most of the time. They all had one or the other as a mutual friend and were introduced thru each other. I forget who knew Wanna Be Hitman. There are a lot of sickos who ust kill for thrill or...no reason at all. Scary place we live in.

Listen sorry for being a bit snide with the Dude where's your car joke. Once I brought up Sylvia Likens I lost my sense of humor real quick.

Let me know what ya think, and feel free to turn me on to any info you have that I'm not aware of regarding the Kent murder. I'm only half invested in this case, so I aint saying I'm most definitely right, I just know what doesn't make sense( not mentioning bullying during the initial investigation and lack of witnesses to confirm).


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"forced" no. his own free will. & it wasn't Harry Suitor. it was a friend of his.(could be wrong it wasn't Harry)

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Thats true, theres actually alot of people that think the reason Bobby Kent was murdered was because the rest of his friends didnt like him because they thought he was a "goody two shoes" compare to them.

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He shouldve been reported to police.


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It's not a true story. The movie is based on a true story. They seem to be pretty clear about that, though.

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It's not a true story. The movie is based on a true story. They seem to be pretty clear about that, though.


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I've seen some really clever responses on IMDB, but this is by far the best. There's a big difference between a movie claiming to be a factual account of an event, and being based on a true story. I'm sorry if this bothers you.

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I've seen some really clever responses on IMDB, but this is by far the best. There's a big difference between a movie claiming to be a factual account of an event, and being based on a true story. I'm sorry if this bothers you.


Regarding the part in bold; I'm sorry for any offspring you may breed into this world and teach that lazy philosophy. You obviously don't even understand the meaning of the post itself .

The following is your post that I initially responded to, and obviously the one I'm responding to now is the one I quoted. However let's look at that initial post again:

It's not a true story. The movie is based on a true story. They seem to be pretty clear about that, though.


What does that even mean in context to my OP?


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Perhaps true events you mean?


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Bully the movie is just a movie loosely based on a real life event. Movies are fabricated, sometimes loosely based stories on events that actually took place but are over exaggerated for ratings and public interest.


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Point is these people exist and real life Bobby Kent was murdered by the gang of teens...


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Mistress_of_MrMarilynManson, Do you feel better now after trolling every topic I posted in basically reiterating every damn thing I already said?

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Testimony is good legal evidence. It's used all the time in court to establish facts.






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or polygraph works too


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In total agreement with OP here. I've read the book, seen the film and done research. I'm not sure I believe Bobby Kent was a big a bully as they made him out to be.

What bothers me is of the whole group, he was the only one who actually got respectable grades in school, was going to college, had a father who actually cared about him and spent time with him, etc. All of the other kids fell into a group of child prostitutes, drug addicts, high school dropouts, and overall lowlifes.

That's still pretty circumstantial evidence saying he wasn't a bully, but I believe the burden of proof is on the murderers in this case showing he WAS a bully. If I were on a jury, I would not be convinced.

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I know this a over due reply but it still seems relevant since I didn't see a clear cut answer,

in my eyes I always pictured bobby kent just as a cocky *beep* with just a slight touch of bully, I didn't think he deserved to die and I also feel like any party involved should have gotten life, with that said I sort of agree with you there's no evidence of him being a bully, but you dead wrong about the only evidence of him being a bully was his murderers,

I realize these statements came from marty's parents but this is facts when they said they were a little weary of bobby and marty's friendship because how often marty would come home with a bruise or bleeding, even though these are statements after his death it's not common for a guys parents to lie for him after hes committed such a heinous crime.

most bully incidents go unreported (specially that era) because in the real world it's hard to prove you're getting bullied, and also if the bullying takes place on the bullys property you would be wasting your time to report it.

so that could be another reason why there's no "evidence" of being him a bully

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he was rapist
all he did good was have good grades

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i guess we will never really know for sure but i will say, from personal experience, the kids with the best grades who come off as goody goody to the general public were usually the ones secretly in the most trouble and up to horrible *beep* in all reality it's easier for them to get away with it. in the end, a kid was murdered, and no matter what he did, didn't deserve to die like that. if things were that bad it should've been handled a different way. but all of these kids were total burn outs and screw ups. can;t expect a lot of good decisions from them.

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I read that both parents were weary of the friendship between Bobby and Marty. Bobby's because Marty was a drop out and a slacker. Marty's because he would often come home after hanging out with Bobby covered in bruises or blood. This was said by Marty's mom for what it's worth.

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