What was harder to watch for you?
Alli's rape or the actual murder? for me it was the murder. The tension in the scene and the way it played out made me physically sick
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The murder was harder for me to watch. The acting was so good and I got so sucked into the story that it almost made me feel like an accomplice. It was like I could feel their guilt, remorse, and desperation after the murder. When I was in school I once had to punch a bully in self defense. But only because I had to, not out of revenge. I didn't get in much trouble for it, but the guilt and remorse for the pain I caused him stayed with me for a long time. Another thing is sometimes you know you're the better person and the bully just doesn't stand a chance against you. On the outside it looks like self defense, but in your heart you know it was still battery.
William Munny "It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. Take away all he's got and all he's ever gonna have.
The murder scene definetely...Anyway Bobby Kent deserved to die..
shareYes this exactly
I dont need a disclaimer to get into heaven. I know Ive made mistakes, I dont need to be saved. -MIW
Have any of you read any of transcripts from any of their trials? I've browsed through quite a few, and several people came to bobby's defense and said he wasn't a bully.
Couple people came out against lisa saying she was a complete mental case.
Here's something I don't understand though. Lisa got a life sentence. She got out in 2004. The only 2 in prison are marty and the wannabe thug who were both supposed to be fried to death but now they are just sentenced to life without the possibility of parole, but that could change to.
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shareThe rape scene COULD have been worse, but Clark and Phillips portrayed "Allie" as such a *beep*-anything slut that the rape scene just wasn't that compelling. Bijou Phillips in this (and "Havoc") seemed to be making the statement that a guy could still rape a sex-crazed girl who's already willingly having sex with him. OK, I suppose that's true, but that also doesn't make her the most sympathetic and compelling rape victim. Clark meanwhile apparently just wanted an excuse to get Bijou naked again. . .
shareBut she played girl that was raped by real bobby
Ich bin hier, um die Werke des. Teufels zu tu. Cast a spell. Kill me Ill kill you.-KUZA
the scene with allie and bobby and the movie was not rape. she agreed to get intimate with him so lisa could come up from behind and kill him but she chickened out. now before that in the movie lisa and marty are hooking up. bobby comes in knocks marty out and rapes lisa. at least that what I saw from the film perspective of it the real details could be different.
shareThe "rape" people are talking about is the scene in which Bobby forces Ali to watch gay male porn, violently penetrates her, and repeatedly punches her in the face until she says "You're the best I've ever had."
That being said, the murder was harder to watch, especially when Bobby apologized, but implied that he didn't even realize what he'd been doing was wrong or why he was being killed: "Marty, whatever it is, I'm sorry."
For me this whole movie was hard to watch, dark as hell.
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Bijou Phillips in this (and "Havoc") seemed to be making the statement that a guy could still rape a sex-crazed girl who's already willingly having sex with him. OK, I suppose that's true, but that also doesn't make her the most sympathetic and compelling rape victim. Clark meanwhile apparently just wanted an excuse to get Bijou naked again. . .
Well , you have more or less answered your own question/comment.
She was not only a prostitute, but part of a highly organized and pretty lucrative little teen porn dial-a-hooker service..which got busted, but they were making business and bucks whilst it lasted...yeah, sure, she was a hardened and experienced little teen whore...maybe she would not even deny being a whore herself, she was a whore both occupationally, and recreationally..
Now, the date with Bobby was on, he was on course and on schedule to score with her easily anyway..these two girls had spotted these two working the Deli at Publix and thought that looks-wise, they were akin to Gods...Puccio immediately got offers when he was dancing at the gay men's club, so, usually, gays if anything , are more for looks and pretty boys than most women are.
But yeah, just as they were macking and everything cool , he insists on cranking up this 2-bit solo male homo masturbation vid these two idiots made using this guy they met at the gay club and had effectively enslaved..she watched, laughed at first, then as it got sicker, it put her off, and the sex with Bobby was off."ok, Get off me, changed my mind, we are all done here today.." (thought-balloon-"man, I'm seeing now that you are a weirdo and creeping me out, you may be fuqqed even compared to most of the losers I run with!!!!")
But ...as far as Bobby was concerned, changing her mind to 'no" was not an option at that point...so, allegedly, she was held down and entered by force.
But since, there has been contention as to whether the accusations of him raping either Ali and/or Lisa, even ever happened at all..Except Ali and Lisa, who knows for sure, but you would totally not have any reason to believe that it could not have happened, that he probably raped at least one, and quite possibly both of them.
Guy was an all-round fkn freak..
There is no mention in the movie of the incident where him and Puccio attacked a poor pathetic elderly retarded man walking home from the Publix they worked at, carrying bags of groceries...when you read what they did to him, you will believe Kent was capable of any low sick-fuqq act..this was actually a worse crime than the Ali rape even if it did happen.
But, as you grudgingly acknowledge...no matter how slutty the wench or even prostitute, still gets to change their minds and change 'yes' to "no"...not respecting that, is still just plain rape.
We do not live in the middle-east here.
Ironically,and incidentally, that is exactly where Kent hailed from.
(something else movie made no mention of...Kent was physically nothing remotely like Stahl, was not white American at all) share