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How did Vegas 'bounce back' so fast after the EMP burst?


I thought EMP bursts were supposed to fry all unhardened circuitry. That is what makes them so fearsome.

But it looked like all of Vegas bounced right back after 30 seconds or so from the hotel all the way to the 7-11 down the strip.

So I guess we have nothing to worry about from nuclear war! All right!

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Good question. Not only did it bounce back so quickly electronically, but remember all the mayhem in the casino after the blackout? People leaping over the tables trying to steal chips and everybody running amok as security was going wild trying to keep up with it all? By the time Benedict was pushing the elevator button which Tess stepped out of the casino's all normal and cleaned up again. Lazy writing and major continuity hole.

Not only that but I'm pretty sure that EMP pulses are supposed to disable vehicles as well....?? So no cars should have been up and running afterwards either. So, no fake "S.W.A.T." getaway van. And no cops chasing unmanned white van to McCarren airport.

The entire way the heist was executed was a plot hole though, so....yeah. At the end all the guys had to keep switching roles so rapidly, back to back, all over the casino, there's no way it would have worked out. Meanwhile Rusty has to go from being the doctor, to being the S.W.A.T. team guy, to being Mr. Suave calling Benedict on the phone from the casino floor letting him know he's just been robbed? And Saul has to escape from being the dead guy, and get out? And Linus and Yen have to change into S.W.A.T. gear clothes in the brief time they turned the lights out and pretended to be shooting things up? Meanwhile as Danny has to make it from the vault all the way back to the room where he was supposed to be getting beat up by Bruiser?

Also in real life I'm sure Benedict could have easily gotten his hands on a cell phone - ie, a phone that wasn't hijacked by their hacking - in order to call the real police/911 and alert them to the fact a big ol' black "S.W.A.T." team van is driving around Vegas with 160 million of his money. (the van that somehow managed to escape the effects of the EMP pulse, that is.)

All the multiple role playing that each character did is the reason this movie is supposed to be fun and clever, but everything played out so quickly at the end for a reason....so that upon first viewing in the theaters viewers would barely be able to keep up and therefore couldn't question these small details. You just have everything coming at you, boom! boom! boom! in such rapid succession that you're like, uhhh....okay.....I like this movie!! This movie is FUN! (said in a "slow" voice, if you know what I mean.) And next thing you know it's in the top 5 and grossing millions of dollars. ;)

The fact is, there's no way to write a truly realistic movie about how one would manage to rob a Vegas vault that's fed by three casinos containing 160 million, and guarded by the most sophisticated security system in the world. If so then they'd literally be telling people how to do such a thing. :D Instead you have this amazingly plot hole and continuity hole ridden movie but which is extremely stylish and fun to watch.

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Instead you have this amazingly plot hole and continuity hole ridden movie but which is extremely stylish and fun to watch.


Yup. It's a really entertaining movie. But watching it the other day I finally realized that there's no way the heist would have worked. It depended on them being the only "police" in the area and, furthermore, on Benedict letting them leave again right after the safe is blown. If any other cop stops this "SWAT Team" at any stage of the process their cover is blown.

Yet the EMP pulse caused a riot on the casino floor -- with a huge boxing match right nearby -- and there are no police anywhere?

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At the end all the guys had to keep switching roles so rapidly, back to back, all over the casino

Not true what-so-ever

Meanwhile Rusty has to go from being the doctor, to being the S.W.A.T. team guy, to being Mr. Suave calling Benedict on the phone from the casino floor letting him know he's just been robbed?

Not even the right order here. Rusty is the doctor before the EMP even goes off and is back on the casino floor before it is triggered which is where he calls Benedict from. From there he makes the walk to whatever door he needs to be near and sets the phone down during Terry's rant to join the SWAT team.

And Saul has to escape from being the dead guy, and get out?

Saul's "body" was being transported by his pals who took him wherever they needed to be to prepare for the SWAT aspect of the job. Rusty didn't call Terry immediately after the triggering, and even then if took time for Terry to get from MGM to the Bellagio... they had plenty of time to load the "body" into a vehicle, leave and exchange it for the SWAT van.

And Linus and Yen have to change into S.W.A.T. gear clothes in the brief time they turned the lights out and pretended to be shooting things up?

Linus and Yen had PLENTY of time to change clothes... they were in the vault which was not showing on Benedict's moniters as they were showing the false vault.

Also in real life I'm sure Benedict could have easily gotten his hands on a cell phone - ie, a phone that wasn't hijacked by their hacking - in order to call the real police/911 and alert them to the fact a big ol' black "S.W.A.T." team van is driving around Vegas with 160 million of his money.

It took time for him to figure that part of it out. He obviously didn't realize this while the SWAT team was on site. Even if he figured it out the moment they blew the van (unlikely) the SWAT van would have been long gone hidden in the warehouse.

Plenty of plot holes in the movie but these are not them ;)

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"Not true what-so-ever"

Oh yeah? So, there was no role changing by the guys, all over the casino?

Okey dokey. Must have been watching a different movie than the rest of us.


"Not even the right order here. Rusty is the doctor before the EMP even goes off and is back on the casino floor before it is triggered which is where he calls Benedict from. From there he makes the walk to whatever door he needs to be near and sets the phone down during Terry's rant to join the SWAT team."

Doesn't matter the order. The fact is, in real life it wouldn't work. He has to wear too many hats in too short a time period. The fact that he is back on the floor (before the EMP is triggered, as you pointed out) so quickly after *just* being the doctor is exactly what I'm talking about.


"they had plenty of time to load the "body" into a vehicle, leave and exchange it for the SWAT van."

:D :D If you say so!


"Linus and Yen had PLENTY of time to change clothes..."

:D :D Again, if you say so!




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"Not true what-so-ever"

Oh yeah? So, there was no role changing by the guys, all over the casino?

Okey dokey. Must have been watching a different movie than the rest of us.

No role changing by the guys? I certainly never even remotely implied that, now you're just being a troll. Of course there was plenty of role changing, I listed them all in the post you are quoting. What I was pointing out is the amount of time passing that you aren't giving credit for.

"Not even the right order here. Rusty is the doctor before the EMP even goes off and is back on the casino floor before it is triggered which is where he calls Benedict from. From there he makes the walk to whatever door he needs to be near and sets the phone down during Terry's rant to join the SWAT team."

Doesn't matter the order. The fact is, in real life it wouldn't work. He has to wear too many hats in too short a time period. The fact that he is back on the floor (before the EMP is triggered, as you pointed out) so quickly after *just* being the doctor is exactly what I'm talking about.

LOTS of time you are missing here. The last time they show the doc he is walking with the body as it is being wheeled down the hallway (point A)... the next time you see Rusty he is calling Benedict (point B).

How much time has passed? The EMP has triggered, the lights have come back on, Terry has sat through a couple minutes of confusion in the arena and has made his way from a jam packed/fighting to exit arena all the way back to the front of the MGM. Bare minimum of 15 minutes, 25 is more likely, and Rusty COULD have gotten from point A to point B in three minutes. It's your "go-to" example of an impossible time frame and in reality he could have sat back and had a couple of drinks.

"they had plenty of time to load the "body" into a vehicle, leave and exchange it for the SWAT van."

:D :D If you say so!

Industrial Road is directly behind the Bellagio with emergency access. And the time that passes between Saul being wheeled out and the SWAT van arriving at the Bellagio is a bare-bones-minimum of 40 minutes and over an hour is more likely (see the time frame I just posted and add the time for Benedict to get from MGM to Bellagio, into the security room, realize he is in fact being robbed, decide to call the cops, and time between the call and SWATs arrival).

"Linus and Yen had PLENTY of time to change clothes..."

:D :D Again, if you say so!

The vault is not on camera as I said in the previous post... exactly how long do you think it would take them to change clothes? The team has as much time as they like in the vault before giving Benedict the "all clear" to enter. The team has time to pack a pallet of cash into bags... I don't really see how you think changing clothes would be a major time concern.

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No more "If you say so!"'s Dani?

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