Ok, I'm not entirely sure why at the end after Richard loses it and basically rapes her she gets up and masturbates in front of him after some time goes by. I have some theories but would like to know your thoughts.
shareBecause she wanted to show him what's real and what was a fake.
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Really? It's that simple? Ok, I'll buy that.
shareSure, it could be that simple. What I'm not sure about, thou, is whether it's a sign of compassion or contempt. I'd say contempt, perhaps...
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I thought definitely contempt. Actually can't see the compassion perspective at all unless, perhaps, it is to try to somewhat kindly show him that his way is not the right way to please a woman.
shareI can see the compassion angle, thought it could be both at the same time. Didn't she seem genuinely sad for him when she said "did you think I was falling in love with you"? And some of that was displacing/deflecting her own feelings which she fought against. She didn't fight the sex at all when he turned her over and did that. She let it happen, and he of course felt even worse when it was done. I think mostly she was showing him the difference between fake and real, and was being defiant. Both to him, and to her own feelings, though maybe not consciously so there.
shareI pretty much agree with you from a different perspective. I think the movie was to a great extent about the disconnectedness between people and I came away with the impression that masturbation was her preferred and perhaps only way to experience an orgasm. Not unusual for sex workers I am told. The fact that she stipulated "no penetration" I saw actually as an attempt at honesty on her part. Since he was kind and paid very her well, she would not insult him with a faked act. In fact she pretty much said so. But then again... I could be wrong. Very interesting, well made, but ultimately depressing movie. It shows us who we have become in the twenty-first century.
Ah f++k it dude, let's go bowlin'.
Because she wanted to take her power back. I think most women who have been raped get that scene. Rape is about power not sex. When she masterbates in front of him afterwards, she is taking her power back. Her ability to control her orgasms give her power but her ability to make him weak due his desire for her was the key.
shareVery good explanation. Also she wanted to show him that he can't make her cumm like that even if he put his mind to it. So he was not 'capable' enough to present himself as a real man in front of her.
Though I don't think any man can lead a woman to orgasm against her will. And I don't think a woman can reach orgasm at will that fast anywhere either. It is a process that becomes tedious if you are not enjoying every bit of it. She certainly was not in a state of mind to enjoy it. I am not a woman, I cannot imagine what thoughts she possibly could give herself to make that happen then, but does not seem like a girl could in real life.
But of course, I can be wrong. There is very little a human being can't do.
"Though I don't think any man can lead a woman to orgasm against her will."
This is very wrong. It is not uncommon for rape victims to orgasm during the act. It's just biology. Action and reaction. But it can cause a fair amount of psychological anguish later on.
Really? Do you have a source for this? A woman has to be in a certain head space to have an orgasm. She has to want it, and she has to be enjoying what is happening. If a woman is being raped - and rape means unwanted, forced sexual activity - I'm pretty much guessing that she's not enjoying it, and she doesn't want it. Nobody "gives" a woman an orgasm. It is not just biology, action and reaction. Maybe for men it's that simple, but not for women.
shareit is true, women can have orgasm while being raped... simple biology man, and like the previous poster said, it is another cause of grief and turmoil-- "oh, so you liked it then? you really did want it?"
if something is rubbing against something else, and it feels good, no matter how hard you try to not think about it, your body can and will react...
not the best, but third paragraph http://www.speakout.org.za/legal/laws/laws_newsa.html
It's mercy, compassion and forgiveness I lack. Not rationality...
SisterMedusa wrote: <<Really? Do you have a source for this? A woman has to be in a certain head space to have an orgasm. She has to want it, and she has to be enjoying what is happening. If a woman is being raped - and rape means unwanted, forced sexual activity - I'm pretty much guessing that she's not enjoying it, and she doesn't want it. Nobody "gives" a woman an orgasm. It is not just biology, action and reaction. Maybe for men it's that simple, but not for women.>>
I know two women who had orgasms while being raped. It just happened. They couldn't control it; didn't want it -- maybe the fear had something to do with it, who knows? One woman was withdrawing from narcotics and that can make you so sensitive it takes very little to climax (for some people). The other was not on drugs or drunk or anything and was gang-raped by I think five men.
It was absolutely horrible for both of them. If you ever really want to depress yourself, work at a rape crisis center.
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A woman has to be in a certain head space to have an orgasm. She has to want it, and she has to be enjoying what is happening.
Then why do women who are raped and have orgasms write about it and the guilt they felt??? Are you saying they are lying? Look it up and read.
shareIn the end I was VERY disappointed with the way this movie ended. It was obvious from the scene when she locked herself in the bathroom that they were mutually attracted to each other. So, why was she so afraid to connect with him? Why did she stubbornly cling to their "deal", when it was obvious that the only reason he agreed to it was because he hoped in the end to win her over? And it worked; she wanted him too, but she was afraid. I think if she had allowed them to connect, the whole experience would have been mutually fulfilling. As it stands, in the end we saw his frustration manifest itself in a very bad way. Maybe she was just a control freak.
On another note, I think the scene when Carla Gugino as Florence's friend showed up at their hotel room with the black eye was a golden opportunity for an amazing threesome that was totally wasted!
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I believe it has nothing to do with "so call" rape. If you paid attention he did that out of sheer anger and frustration for her not feeling anything for him, not as a act of violence. The masturbation was just her fulfilling her contract with him, while showing contempt for him and his failure to realize that he paid her to be his "whore" for the 3 days.
sharegee...what about her wanting to keep to her part of the bargain, by giving him the full 4 hrs?
i'm sure there is a hole in this theory, but...just saying...
An orgasm during rape is just basic biology. I would guess that in the hundred-thousand plus years of mankind's tribal existence, rape was a very common way for a woman to get pregnant. Rape by a high-status member of the tribe was not so dangerous, since a woman would still receive some protection from the tribe if she became pregnant, but rape by a man of low status or (God forbid) an outsider from the tribe was fraught with danger, since the raped woman could be rejected from the tribe and be forced to try to support herself and her new baby in the wild with a high percentage of probable disastrous consequences. So rape.....like everything else about our social interactions.....was a very complex business.
shareOf course, this is all a case by case basis. I've known women who could not reach orgasm despite all their efforts and really wanting to, and women who quickly achieve orgasm after the most minor arousal, even if they did not psychologically desire said arousal.
There are, on the other side of the coin, men who climax without even being touched, and men who can ejaculate without actually feeling the pleasure of orgasm.
The human being is a complicated, and widely varied, organism.
The war is not meant to be won... it is meant to be continuous.