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Rewatching the show

posted 8 years ago by yeamf-93422
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So I got my brother hooked on the show (*evil laugh*)and we've watched up to season 7 episode 3ish. He said he was getting tired of Lorelai and Rory's attitudes. He was so mad about Lorelai sleeping with Chris at the end of season 6, and he thought Luke did the right thing! He blames Lorelai mostly for their relationship not working out!

I thought it was so interesting seeing it from a man's perspective. Because I think the exact opposite. I think Luke was so out of line going over to Chris and punching him. I hate guys who think this makes them a man. Also, he's so possessive! You were broken up, get over it. It's his fault for assuming Lorelai would just wait around for him to figure his *beep* out, and he didn't even seem like he wanted to be with her.

I think Lorelai said it best, that Luke should have figured out how April would fit in Luke and Lorelai's life not the other way around. I thought Lorelai did the right thing breaking up with Luke over this. I like them together, but he annoys me so much. Talk! Stop acting like you don't care! Stop acting like you are the greatest man on earth!

And that crack he made to Lorelai, "you proposed to me"! Oh No He Didn't!

I think Lorelai is horribly immature and extremely selfish and just unbelievably hard to please, but on certain things I agree with her 100% and I don't think it's just a woman thing.

Regarding Rory, I think a lot of what she did I sort of overlook because she was young. Also, she got a lot better after her community service and all that. My only problem with Rory is that she thinks she's better than everyone and can't do wrong.

[–] perfect_lover2012 8 years ago

Interesting. I think their relationship was doomed from a certain point in season 5. This post may get long lol.
1. Lorelai proposed to Luke for the wrong reason. She was frustrated with her family and jumped into something they weren't ready for in real life. Comparison, one of he leads on Sex and the City proposed to her boyfriend and it didn't come off desperate or wrong when it happened.
2. Lorelai and Luke have terrible communication with each other and previous partners. Luke's relationships with Rachel and Nicole were disasters. Lorelai ran from a wedding and told a guy that he couldn't sue her father who destroyed his business life so they break up. Nothing but drama and more drama without talking or resolution.
3. Luke punching Chris was yet another display of typical mainstream masculinity and it made him look petty and immature. Luke's issues with Christopher were always way too much IMO. Yes he was there for Rory but he's not her father figure. He can have a negative opinion of Christopher but his reactions to him both at the vow renewal and in season 7 were way over the line.
4. Lorelai should've communicated her feelings clearly to Luke about his behavior so the blow up and ultimatum wouldn't have occurred at the end of the season.
5. Luke should've told Anna off once and for all in season 6. She didn't have a right to keep April a secret and she doesn't face any consequences for doing so. She was in the wrong and if I was Lorelai I wouldn't apologize for the birthday fiasco. Anna actually would've been happier if Lorelai didn't stay over? She supposedly kept April a secret because Luke didn't like kids but she wanted him to throw a birthday party for their kid without any help? Lol at parents being mad about a woman being there at the sleepover.
6. Lorelai should not have slept with Christopher. She uses sex and alcohol to feel better hence most of her problems.
7. Luke and Lorelai are both impossible as romantic partners but the writers stopped understanding Luke in season 5.
8. A bit more on Lorelai proposing. I find it off putting that she can only be 100% in a relationship or 0%. She can never do it in moderation so ehe either comes off as completely aloof or desperate i.e. following Luke around the grocery store when he said I need more time.
9. Rory in season 7 was one of her best seasons from what I remember so no complaints here.

"When life gives you lemons"
Jessica D: sleep with their fathers and have secret lemon children

[–] yeamf-93422 8 years ago

I feel like your post needs a standing ovation. 

Their communication skills really are poor. Lorelai just ran away from issues with men, while she never did so with her parents. She always made her feelings clear when she was annoyed with Emily. Why that is, I'm not sure. Maybe it's easier for her to be "vulnerable" around Emily? Even with her parents, she wasn't always honest but at least she got her point across most of the time. She said what she had to, and usually not before it was too late. But with Max: She just ran away. With Jason: She just stopped caring for him.

And Luke is awful when it comes to talking and expressing feelings, mostly because he's scared and insecure. Like most men who think showing emotion is weak!

[–] perfect_lover2012 8 years ago

I think it's easier for Lorelai to express herself to Emily because she's really yelling at herself in their arguments and she believes that she isn't being heard. In Lorelai's mind, Rory is the daughter they didn't have, she embarrassed them, and she's a loser for not following through with the Gilmore plan. This is in her mind and how she perceives her parents. Emily and Richard were embarrassed by her actions but they don't think she's a loser. They think she didn't live up to her full potential but they saw her as very bright and the best in her class. Lorelai whether she wants to admit it or not values Emily's opinion a lot because she does almost anything to convince her of certain things and it's the reason that "Emily gets in her head". Her opinion matters to her. I think in her relationship with Max she was trying to be more of an adult and take a step she wasn't ready for at all. They were basically friends with benefits with some dates thrown in the mix. Jason and Max were both more serious about her than she was about them. I think part of it is that Lorelai doesn't allow herself to succeed or try in more than one area in life. When she wants to have an inn that's all she focuses on and thinks about which is fine of course but you can do multiple things at once. When she was raising Rory, it was no men in the house period. She didn't want to be a mother and a dater too even though she could easily do both. Then her other issue that comes up repeatedly is her inability to compromise which seems to tie into her idea of independence. Lorelai thinks losing an argument is the worst thing ever and she doesn't want to compromise about anything. Emily tends to shut her down and force her hand. No one else really does this with her. You can be independent and still want/need support from someone else whether it be a friend or a boyfriend/husband. Lorelai mistakenly believes independence means not needing anyone or help. People weren't meant to be alone in this world.

"When life gives you lemons"
Jessica D: sleep with their fathers and have secret lemon children

[–] rachfite-43369 8 years ago

I completely agree with your brother and I am a woman. First off, Luke and Lorelai did not break up. That fight in the street outside of the diner was not a break up. If it had been one Luke wouldn't of shown up the next day at the house ready to elope. The fact that Lorelai thought they had broken up and then went to Chris that night says so much. I too blame Lorelai for a lot of what went wrong in the relationship. She could never compromise, make sacrifices or try to make the best of something. She wanted to get married and she convinced herself it would never happen so she issued an irrational ultimatum to Luke in the street one night. She could never allow herself to be happy and she would look for ways out because she was scared. Lorelai knew Luke would want time to think about things, make a logical decision. She thus found her exit point. She gets in her own way.

I want to throw the remote every time I watch the ending of season 6.

Also, the writing was really bad. They turned Lorelai and Luke into different people. Luke would of never hid April from Lorelai and not wanted her to be involved. When they were best friends she was the first person he went to about serious life matters. Lorelai also constantly went to Luke for advice. The fact that Luke hid that negates his true character identity. Also Lorelai would of never not spoken her mind to Luke and demanded to know April and be involved in her life. I can't even imagine season 1-5 Lorelai asking permission. She would of just shown up one day to the diner, plopped herself down on a stool and become April's best friend. The situation with April was a plot device to create drama in the relationship. Especially once Rory reconciled with Lorelai and her relationship with Logan got better. The problem is that along with that they turned Luke and Lorelai into different people.

I don't think Luke should of punched Chris. That is assault. Did Chris deserve it? Yeah. But they always had Luke doing that kind of stuff. He needed more of an outlet for his anger. He needed a punching bag and boxing gloves upstairs in his apartment.

Lorelai should of never proposed. It was a reaction to her heartbreak over Rory. She said it herself when she tells Luke she wants to celebrate and feel good right then and there after she tells Luke Rory moved out. I do get her saying that in the moment Luke is telling her how he and Lorelai are going to fix the problem and she realizesthen and there that he is the one for her. But still it was on impulse. She did propose to him. However he said yes. It was still a traditional contractual agreement of impending marriage. Luke brought that up as a defense mechanism and it was a low blow.

[–] nclpllm 8 years ago

I think Lorelai said it best, that Luke should have figured out how April would fit in Luke and Lorelai's life not the other way around.

I know there's disagreement about whether or not the Luke/April situation was like the Lorelai/Rory rift, and I'll go ahead and put it out there that Luke handled the whole thing wrong; keeping Lorelai away was bizarre. But, in his defense, he didn't know what their (his and April's) normal was, and was working toward finding it. In contrast, Lorelai didn't want to set a date until things with Rory were back to normal. She knew what their relationship was supposed to be, and she didn't budge to make it happen.

It's like Lorelai's relationship with Rory is more important (the world must stop when there is a disturbance), and heaven forbid anyone suggest Lorelai figure out how Rory fits in their life and not the other way around.

[–] yeamf-93422 8 years ago

Rory was 21! Of course she is involved in her mother's life and automatically, gets involved in the man her mom's marrying... but it's not the same as a 12 year old girl entering the picture.

You make an excellent point about Lorelai wanting Luke to wait for her daughter, but she didn't wait for Luke. I can make excuses for her, but I think that was a *beep* thing to do as well. I guess I just never looked at it like that.

I was so upset about the fight between Rory and Lorelai that I just didn't want either of them to have a life. I wanted their lives to stop until they made up and then things could go back to normal. I guess that's what the writers wanted us to feel. I now feel brainwashed. lol

But Luke really didn't handle it right. First with not telling Lorelai, then with expecting Lorelai to be ok with all of it, then with keeping April separate from her, then with completely neglecting Lorelai therefore showing no interest in their relationship. Luke always knew that Lorelai and Rory came first. He should have made it clear to Lorelai that now, April and Luke came first for him.