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Sort of an annual tradition...


THE CHRONOLOGY ACCORDING TO ME ;-)


1957: Michael Aubrey Meyers is born in Haddonfield, Illinois.
1961: His younger sister Laurie is born.
1963: On the night of Oct. 31, six year-old Michael brutally stabs his older sister Judith to death! He is committed to Smith's Grove Sanitorium until he is old enough to stand trial.

1965: Following the deaths of her birth-parents in a car crash, young Laurie is adopted by a couple named Strode. With her true heritage being sealed by court order.

1978: Occurrence of the events depicted in both HALLOWEEN and HALLOWEEN 2.

(Note: Mr. and Mrs. Strode are apparently killed, off-camera.)

1979: Following her eighteenth birthday, Laurie marries paramedic Jimmy Lloyd. Their daughter Jamie is born, nine months later.

1981: Jamie's younger brother John is born. He is named for his adoptive great-uncle.
1982: Occurrence of the events depicted in HALLOWEEN III: SEASON OF THE WITCH.

(Note: several trick-or-treaters, wearing defective Silver Shamrock masks, apparently suffocate to death on the Lloyds' front doorstep. Permanently solidifying Laurie's obsessive fear of the holiday!)

1987: While driving home from church, on Sunday morning (Nov. 1), Laurie and Jimmy argue over his taking the children trick-or-treating, the night before, against her wishes. This distracts them from noticing an oncoming car until it's too late to avoid swerving off the road! Laurie and John are thrown clear, but knocked out. When Laurie revives, she sees the car in flames and assumes Jimmy and Jamie were burnt to death. Her paranoia now seemingly justified, she lets the police think the same thing about herself and John. By the time she learns the truth, it's too late. Jamie--thrown clear in the opposite direction--is now a foster child of the Carruthers family.

(Note: John will later be told that his father ran out on them.)

1988: Occurrence of the events depicted in HALLOWEEN 4.
1989: Occurrence of the events depicted in HALLOWEEN 5.
1990: Laurie's adoptive cousin, Kara Strode, becomes the unwed mother of a son she names Danny.

1992: Jamie Lloyd, captured by a secret society of high-tech occultists, is given the first in a series of hormone injections following her first period. These injections will accelerate her sexual maturation.

1993: Laurie is now a teacher at a private boarding school in northern California. She and her son reside on campus under the pseudonyms of "Keri and John Tate."

1994: Jamie Lloyd now resembles an eighteen year-old, even though she's chronologically only fourteen. So she is then artificially inseminated with sperm...from her own Uncle Michael! Meanwhile, Kara and Danny Strode move back in with Kara's parents in Haddonfield.

1995: Occurrence of the events depicted in HALLOWEEN 6.
1998: Occurrence of the events depicted in HALLOWEEN: 20 YEARS LATER.
2001: Laurie's suicidal guilt over accidentally killing a paramedic with a crushed larynx (and wearing a duplicate of Michael Meyers' mask) compels her commitment to a mental hospital. It is there that Michael will finally win their decades-long duel.

2002: Occurrence of the events depicted in HALLOWEEN: RESURRECTION.



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Granted, a lot of the above is inference and speculation. Still, it does answer some questions, while admittedly and simultaneously raising even more new ones. For example: why did the ill-fated paramedic (in H20) so calmly hold out his hand to Laurie? Instead of frantically gesturing at the mask with his right hand, while instinctively clutching at his throat, in pain, with his left? Has Michael now gained the power to temporarily possess other people, via astral projection?

What about Sara Moyer (from H-R)? Why was she having semi-precognitive nightmares about Michael? Could she be related to him on his father's side? Like, from a branch of the family that moved away from Haddonfield, and legally changed their surname, to disown themselves from the tragic scandal? Or, could she, perhaps, be the reincarnation of Judith Meyers, herself?!

And, what of the family curse Tommy Doyle mentioned, in H-6? Did it really, truly end with Laurie's death? Or, did Michael return to the ruins of the old family homestead, merely to wait until his nephew and/or son/grandnephew are old enough to be...properly sacrificed?

Only time, and future sequels (NOT needless remakes!), will tell.

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Who says Laurie's adoptive parents died? It's implied (by Debra Strode) in H6 that John buys the house from his brother cheap because it couldn't be sold. Wonder WHY? Guess because Freddy wasn't in business at that point.

Also, H20 implies John's had more than just mail contact with his father.

H20 really should have found a way to tie in 4-6.

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Hence, my use of the adverb "apparently!" As in; it _appears_ that Michael might have killed them in between the ending of the original movie, and the very first sequel.

Also, Debra (Kim Darby) could have meant "inherit" rather than "buy." Look how the scriptwriters of the previous two sequels kept mixing up the concept of "foster child" with "stepchild," re: Jamie Lloyd's relationship to the Carruthers family. And, speaking of which: the man John _believes_ to have been his father might actually have been his _stepfather_!

If so, then the latter's surname really could have been "Tate." And, he probably _did_ run out on John and Laurie. Thereby rendering my suppositions even _more_ plausible.

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This is one of the most interesting threads I've read for any movie in the last several months. I enjoyed your imagination and diligence, even though I don't agree with your conclusions. What's great about people who actually like ALL of the Halloween movies is they respect them enough to actually try to make them matter. I mean, why not, right? Continuity is a big thing with me, and it never made any sense to me when people outright ignore what they don't like. Use a little imagination and just make it fit! You might realize the weak entries are even more appreciable that way.

Aside from the fact that I already have my own solution to connect the films, let me explain why I think yours is incorrect. I always try to rationize the continuity in a way that is simplest, logical, and doesn't allow others to so easily poke holes in it. The three big holes I have found for your scenario are:

1. Halloween H20 communicates to the audience that Loomis survived Halloween II, but instead of his shenanigans in 4-6 (including probably dying by Michael's hand) he lived in Langdon, Illinois until his death. Marion Chambers either was a live-in helpmate, a lover, or just a roommate friend who shared his interest since they had been through Halloween-night 1978 together. All the photos in the world of bloody scissors during the montage can't change the fact that this simply does not coincide with what we've seen in the previous movies. Blatantly so, in fact.

2. The detectives in H20, the inmate who's obsessed with serial killers in H:R, and various other characters in both movies all acknowledge, either implicitly or explicitly, that Michael did his massacre in 1978 and then was missing and presumed dead, due to Laurie seeing him burning no doubt. Had 4-6 actually occured, then the events in those films would likely be what Myers was the most famous for. It's just common sense. I mean, he cut the power of the whole town, created a lynch mob who wanted his blood, took out the entire Haddonfield police force, and it required state law enforcement to take him out. And that's just the first of the three movies, too! So, don't give me any "it was covered up" BS either... that's just too convoluted.

3. Halloween III shows the characters watching a movie on television preceding the dreaded Silver Shamrock commercial. The movie is... John Carpenter's Halloween! LOL I think it's even mentioned by name! That alone officially removes it from the Michael Myers universe, however that doesn't mean that it has no bearing on the rest of the Halloween franchise. I'll explain my take on it later.

Okay, with all this said, let me share what I believe is the best way to connect the series into one continuity. I'm of the opinion that H20, despite lacking Donald Pleasance, is a slightly superior sequel when it comes to connecting with the first two. This means it trumps the rest and takes precedent, in my mind. So, instead of fitting it in with 4-6, which can't be done, I will connect them the opposite way.

We see how affected Laurie Strode was by the events of Halloween 1978. I mean, she has nightmares and hallucinations. She faked her death and changed her name of her own accord. She abuses alcohol, and pretty much holds her son prisoner. She has difficulty in relationships, and the list goes on. Anyway, so it's possible to conclude that the events of the previous movies could just be cinematic stories that actually happened within Laurie's mind over the missing years between 1978 and 1998. Although they didn't happen in reality, they aren't superfluous, because they now turn the series into more of a character study of Laurie Strode.

The best part is, the poor aspects of the "in Laurie's head" movies can now be excused in their flaws as being fragmented, exaggerated, and over-the-top simply because they are the product of a traumatized mind. It leads to, now, continual discussion about why did Laurie dream such things? What are the significance of all the myriad aspects of the story? That is what we can all begin to discuss while keeping every chapter of the Halloween series alive.

We can also connect Season of the Witch in a couple different ways. We can say that it is also Laurie's dream, and that she just imagines the characters watching a movie called Halloween, that's based on her encounter with Michael Myers. Dreaming about the Silver Shamrock plot would indicate that she develops a fear of other aspects of Halloween due to the trauma she experienced on that day.

Another way would be to consider Halloween III to be in a different universe from the rest, and it's only here for the audience's benefit. I believe this movie tells a modern story that perfectly sums up the pagan/occult origins of the holiday itself. It flows from exactly the kinds of things Dr. Loomis talked about to Marion Chambers in Halloween II, and is therefore relevant to the story. It's also a way to comprehend Michael Myers while still leaving him, or the evil that possesses him, a total mystery. It paves the road for a Cult-of-Thorn-like solution, without asking us to directly assume that the events of Halloween 6 (Laurie's theory?) bear any reality to what really motivates Michael. It's a catch-all for those who are interested in theorizing on this sort of mysticism, by telling us that it's alright to not necessarily think of Michael as simply a boring-ass immortal killer like Jason, or countless other horror movie villians. On the contrary, Halloween III is whispering in our ear and telling us to think outside the box.

Thanks for reading! More to come, eventually...

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1. Discovering Michael escaped from where Tommy and Kara had left the body probably caused him to have a stroke. Hence, the need for Marion Chambers as a live-in nurse.

2. I never said anything about a cover-up.

3. The live-action CASPER THE GHOST film with Cristina Ricci showed a cameo of one of the old Paramount Casper cartoons. Does that remove them from the continuity of _that_ cinematic universe? I don't think so. And, I irreversibly apply the same principle, here.

4. "Can't" implies inability, not unwillingness. And, I'm both able _and_ willing to connect all six.

5. So there. :P

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OP, this is a nice thread. Quite helpful.

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Thank you, Jane. :-)

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You are welcome!

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I LIKE this thread, helps me try get my head around all the crazy and somewhat ridiculous storylines thrown at us in the franchise till now. A lot of questions to be asked and solutions to be discussed. Thanks for breaking it down, never seen it all so spelt out before!

I thought I told you,
this world is not for you..

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You are most welcome, Drew. :-)

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Just getting an early start, this year.

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And a slightly later one, this year.

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It would be much easier to make it all cohesive if not for one line in H4. "It's only been 11 months." If, say, Laurie had "died" in maybe 1981, to try to start a new life and maybe give her daughter a safer one in her mind, then it wouldn't be hard for her to have had John in 1982 and started a new family.

They could have made Jamie a bit of a problem child who possibly bounced around from home to home before she came to the Carruthers' family. That would have explained why we see this older kid coming into the family recently.

The comments from the cop and the mental patient could be dismissed as the rantings of an ignorant cop and a mental patient.

Only a few lines of dialogue make it hard to tie in together, though there are two good tries ITT at doing so. The crux of your explanation is twofold: the notion she would leave her daughter and husband behind while taking her son, and the improbability that she could getaway and start a new life like that without her son asking questions, namely about his father and sister. The other explanation someone else did is plausible, but it isn't as satisfying imoas tying them all together as actual canon would be.

Wait until they get a load of me.

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