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So I finally finished the series *Spoilers*


Hey guys, I'm new to this board. Anyway, just finished the series and it is was worth every bit of the hype. Superb stuff.

So, after some reading it looks like it's been a life long debate whether *spoilers* Spike is dead or not. I want to give my answer to that.

Why on earth, would he not be dead? I know the creator of the show has claimed Spike's fate is ambitious. But, really, I feel like it's fairly obvious our fuzzy headed friend is dead. Thematically and everything it only makes sense that he's dead. Not to mention that almost every clue in the final episode absolutely points to his demise rather than ambiguity. Am I pretty right on in my assumption here or no?

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Meant to say ambiguous sorry typing from phone

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no. the star was vicious. Spike is sleeping. Plus, you didn't check his pulse. Dude fell out of a building. Final battle was nothing for him.

Plus, then he wouldn't be in the movie.

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The movie takes place BEFORE the events of the finale. Spike died, the story loses its meaning if he survives.

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The movie is Spike's dream. you don't know if spike died.

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The movie is Spike's dream.


What the?

Can't stop the signal.

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Spike died, the story loses its meaning if he survives.


Exactly.

Not to mention, wasn't Spike still at Vicious' headquarters?

Do people think Vicious' men are rushing to give Spike any type of medical attention?

Can't stop the signal.

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its respect for him being so bad ass

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No.

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yes

You don't know what happens after he falls

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Yes, I do. He dies. Vicious's men are not going to take him to the hospital. They will watch him die. Or kill him themselves.

Let's be bad guys.

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prove it!

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Ignore Dangerous-Boy, he doesn't want a conversation. If you ever want to talk about anything CB related with someone who's willing to argue intelligently, you have my number.

If father finds me here with a girl, he'd be surprised.
- Hylus, son of Hercules

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Thanks for the tip. I figured he was a troll when he said the movie was all a dream.

Let's be bad guys.

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it was a dream

The director said spike could have been sleeping

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No.

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yes

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His foundation lies in the holy mountains. Selah.

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No.

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yes

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His foundation lies in the holy mountains. Selah.

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No.

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yes

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His foundation lies in the holy mountains. Selah.

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No.

Let's be bad guys.

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yes

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His foundation lies in the holy mountains. Selah.

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No.

Let's be bad guys.

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yes

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His foundation lies in the holy mountains. Selah.

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No.

Let's be bad guys.

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yes

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His foundation lies in the holy mountains. Selah.

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No.

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yes

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His foundation lies in the holy mountains. Selah.

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No.

Let's be bad guys.

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yes

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His foundation lies in the holy mountains. Selah.

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No.

Let's be bad guys.

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yes

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His foundation lies in the holy mountains. Selah.

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No.

Let's be bad guys.

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yes

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His foundation lies in the holy mountains. Selah.

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No.

Let's be bad guys.

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yes

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His foundation lies in the holy mountains. Selah.

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No.

Let's be bad guys.

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Yes, I believe so. I would love to think that he made it out of there, they picked up Ed and Ein and the Bebop crew continued to have great adventures, but it just isn't realistic.

It's a magnificent ending, and as others have said, it really takes away from the overall story if he was alive

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I almost let this go 'cause I'm fairly burned out on the subject, but what the heck...

He could very well be dead. Or alive. I believe the ending is meant to be ambiguous, and statements by Shinichiro Watanabe pretty much bear that out. From the first time I saw it I felt he was alive.

As far as whether those men there at the end would help Spike - those weren't necessarily Vicous' men standing there. With Vicious gone, Spike would be the heir apparent of the leadership of the Red Dragon. It's not spelled out in the show, but in the first volume of the show's Anime Guide, it does say that Mao Yenrai was grooming Spike to be his successor. With Vicious out of the way, it was Spike's party. In fact, as he's coming down the stairs, the guys LOWER their weapons. If they had been loyal to Vicious, I think they would have shot him right then and there.

I'm also convinced the movie was a dream, and probably takes place after the events of Real Folk Blues - I say that because of that odd scene after Spike is shot and hurled from the monorail, that blurry image of Jet from Spike's POV lying on the couch telling him he almost didn't make it. Then "he's dead. He was dead from the beginning. Just like you, Spike." Who was he talking about, and what did he mean, "almost didn't make it?" That's a subject for debate whether he was talking about Vicious or Vincent. Not a debate I'm at all interested in, I just throw that out there for y'all to have fun with it. ;D

I find it telling that the film starts with Spike lying on the couch with Jet trying to get him up. Spike just rolls over. Then the very end of the movie, he's still on that couch. Nothing showing him getting up from the couch or lying back down.

Either way, it's a cool story and a very cool movie. We make of it what we will. :)

Great show too! It's my gateway into anime and opened a whole world of awesome stories!

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I can't remember if I saw the final episode or not. But I kind of suspect Spike is dead.

RIP
Bon Scott
1946-1980

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