Whatever your theory of the movie is, you should have an idea of what Lenny does with his life after Teddy.
I think that since now there will be no more Teddy always hanging around and pretty much manipulating Lenny to kill people and give Lenny thoughts of what his life is about etc, Lenny will be able to get a life.
He might not know what the tattoos are about. He might continue to take photos but what will inspire him to take a photo? He finally got to the point that he took a photo of Teddy because he wanted to remember him, wanted to know who he was. If Natalie had not had a score to settle with Teddy, I think he would still be alive.
Who and why will he take photos of now? What will induce him to get a tattoo? What will he make notes about?
He will remember his life before his injury but what response will he have?
I think this is an important question and will allow people to justify their theories.
I don't believe he will kill again. He may think he has unfinished business but . . . . .
Whatever your theory of the movie is, you should have an idea of what Lenny does with his life after Teddy.
I believe, based on what I see in the film, that Lenny is going to continue hunting. The debate I have in my mind is whether he will continue to only hunt the dead Teddy or will start searching for other victims. While I think Lenny has chosen to be immoral, I prefer to believe he will only continue to hunt the dead Teddy.
The end seems pretty clear to me that he realizes on some level that he needs it for a purpose in life.
Though I believe he is capable of editing/deleting the tattoo to search for other John Gs, I like to believe on some level, he is killing Teddy in order to prevent anyone from getting him to kill others. The license plate tattoo allows him to continue his quest but only for a particular person. Teddy alluded to Lenny continuing to search for the dead 2nd attack, but then Teddy mucked up the plan, by trying to convince Lenny the quest was over.
But I do have my doubts about Lenny only continuing to search for a dead teddy, since he is choosing an immoral path in deciding to kill Teddy in the first place....
The idea that he may be ending the hunt does seem to be suggested at the start of the film, but at the end of the film I see a different suggestion, so the start serves as a red herring. The ending of the film suggests continuation (especially since it is the "middle" of the story). Lenny has taken a picture of a dead body, he is also provided evidence of a different completion (the happy/pointing finger picture), and Teddy tells him that the 2nd attacker is dead.
After all Teddy says, Lenny does choose to stop his hunt for the 2nd attacker (which indicates to me that Lenny believes Teddy that the 2nd attacker is dead), but we are explicitly shown Lenny destroy the evidence and he is NOT shown choosing to get the "I've done it" tattoo. Instead we are shown that even though he is no longer hunting the 2nd attacker, he also consciously chooses not only to continue hunting, but consciously chooses to start a false quest for a man he does not believe is the 2nd attacker.
And this supports Teddy suggestions that he has a purpose: "A romantic quest that you wouldn't end even if I wasn't in the picture." The film seems to me to show him only dream about ending the hunt, when he believes the quest is on!
The entire structure of the story hints at repeating elements, spirals (Nolan refers to the narrative as "a cycle in an ever widening gyre - in other words, a spiral of chaos that Leonard is perpetually sliding down" James Mottram "The Making of Memento" NY: Faber and Faber, 2002, p 34)
It seems to me that if Nolan intended to show Lenny wanting the quest to end, he only needed, at the end of the story, to show him getting the "I've done it" tattoo during the opening credits. He started it on the dead Teddy picture (suggesting completion), but then explicitly shows us Lenny destroying other pictures in order to lie to himself to be happy. He alludes to destruction of other facts in his files, Teddy allusion of a never-ending quest. The film ends with us knowing Lenny is continuing on a hunt he created by lying to himself. Again for me the ending suggests a cycle, the repeating nature of his life.
Also the entire film hangs upon Lenny's conscious choice at the end to not only continue hunting but to start a false quest. If Lenny had decided to quit or decided to not lie about Teddy or even chose to kill him in moral outrage, there would be no film...
The ending of the story that I see is our understanding of what happened to Lenny and how events made him what he has become (an immoral killer). The film is more in the sense of a classic tragedy with a flawed protagonist. I don't see it as a film about a man getting revenge and having a happy ending.
Along those lines there is another quote from Nolan:
"I knew he[Leonard] would need an extraordinary focus of energy and a specific goal for his life that could never be let go of. For Leonard, in a way, the worst thing that could happen to him is to achieve his quest, because then he’s left with nothing. For me, that's quite a compelling way to look at the way somebody lives their life; the things that they use as points of focus to distract themselves from the bigger picture, as it were, their place in the universe, if you like."
From James Mottram's "The Making of Memento", 2002, Faber and Faber Limited, page 171.
And this to me is also very much in line with Teddy's comments in the film: 1) "Well, I guess I can only make you remember the things you wanna be true."
2) "You, you wander around, you're playing detective. You live in a dream, kid. A dead wife to pine for. A sense of purpose to your life. A romantic quest that you wouldn't end even if I wasn't in the picture."
And the "could never let go of", still goes along with "perpetual" and "ever widening gyre" I quoted from Nolan earlier.
I think that since now there will be no more Teddy always hanging around and pretty much manipulating Lenny to kill people and give Lenny thoughts of what his life is about etc, Lenny will be able to get a life.
This seems inconsistent with the film, since we are explicitly shown Lenny successfully setting up a hunt and carrying it out with Teddy's help (or knowledge).
He might not know what the tattoos are about. He might continue to take photos but what will inspire him to take a photo? He finally got to the point that he took a photo of Teddy because he wanted to remember him, wanted to know who he was.
If Natalie had not had a score to settle with Teddy, I think he would still be alive.
This is not consistent with the film's ending. How/when do you think Natalie got Lenny to write down and tattoo Teddy's license plate? Even without Natalie in the film, Lenny would have still searched with DMV access to run the plate which would have led to Teddy's death.
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But I do have my doubts about Lenny only continuing to search for a dead teddy, since he is choosing an immoral path in deciding to kill Teddy in the first place....
He did not decide to kill Teddy. He only wanted to know who he was. He found it was the man he was looking for.
You can't just say that at the end of the film (the middle) Lenny made the choice to set up a false quest, an immoral path. Why? He was doing this during the whole film. It was his goal in life.
Also see the author's answer below.
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He did not decide to kill Teddy. He only wanted to know who he was. He found it was the man he was looking for.
Then why did he put Teddy license plate as tattoo fact 6? When he did this he was deciding to kill him
You can't just say that at the end of the film (the middle) Lenny made the choice to set up a false quest, an immoral path. Why? He was doing this during the whole film. It was his goal in life.
No he believed his goal in life was vengeance for his wife's death, not to create a false quest. The false quests came for different reasons.
You seem to miss the fact that he was on 2 separate false quests within the film. The false quest in the Black and white scenes was to find and kill Jimmy Grantz. That false quest was created by Teddy (how much Lenny may or may not have understood it to be false is up for debate).
The false quest created in the middle of the story (end of the film) which is what much of the film deals with, is the false quest Lenny created after he decided to stop hunting for the real 2nd attacker and begin hunting for Teddy.
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Then why did he put Teddy license plate as tattoo fact 6? When he did this he was deciding to kill him
He wanted to remember the license plate so as to find out who Teddy was. He did not tattoo "Kill Teddy" only the number. What does it matter that he assigned a number 6 to it?
You can't just say that at the end of the film (the middle) Lenny made the choice to set up a false quest, an immoral path. Why? He was doing this during the whole film. It was his goal in life.
No he believed his goal in life was vengeance for his wife's death, not to create a false quest.
That is what I said, he didn't make the choice to set up a false quest, he made the choice to continue finding a way to avenge his wife.
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It is over. The tattoos will only lead to a dead man.
Yes as I mentioned earlier (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0209144/board/nest/235104670?d=235108744#2 35108744), this is what makes me believe that Lenny still has some morality despite his his immoral at the end of the film where he consciously is choosing to continue hunting for a man he does not believe is the 2nd attacker.
Just as Teddy indicated Lenny did after he killed the 2nd attacker a year ago, Lenny has chosen to continue hunting a dead man. Lenny created the false quest for Teddy, creating it in such a way that when he is done, he would continue to hunting but could not be used to hunt any more "innocents" (ie people not involved in his wife's death).
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Just as Teddy indicated Lenny did after he killed the 2nd attacker a year ago, Lenny has chosen to continue hunting a dead man. Lenny created the false quest for Teddy, creating it in such a way that when he is done, he would continue to hunting but could not be used to hunt any more "innocents" (ie people not involved in his wife's death).
Leonard 'continued' hunting after his first kill because he said he later did not believe it was the real second attacker. There is a good likelihood that this was a false quest set-up by John. After all, John does not say, "This is John Gall, John G." Instead he simply wants to be believed without any evidence.
Leonard chose to kill Teddy because of the death of Jimmy, knowing that his real name is John Gammell. He should have seen that John lied about the first murder and was acting to protect himself. John could have simply shot Jimmy by himself and taken the money. For John to fully protect himself, he has to have Leonard 'remember' it. The problem is he throws away the photos and forgets. Maybe John brings him the book, the teddy bear, the brush just to re-ignite his passion. If John lied, then it is very likely that Leonard wanted to kill him for the last year and, despite his mental injury, has been able to locate John several times.
The big kicker for me is that you have to realize the tattoo could be false. Perhaps he was so mad at John that he made up the first clue and was on a 'false quest' from the very start. Where did he get this lead if he killed the first attacker? What would the odds be that a cop named John G is looking for a rapist named John G? Nothing in the film proves he is a cop. Why not simply arrest Dodd? Why not say he's a cop when discussing police investigations in the diner?
To make a deliberate ambiguous story, everything can't add up neatly. To gain one story is to ignore glaring points from the opposite story. Marinebad is a perfect example. I see this related as much as Inception. The "audience" ultimately decides. The story can never be 'perfectly' clear.
Maybe John brings him the book, the teddy bear, the brush just to re-ignite his passion.
Wait! What? Was that the name of the book his wife was reading?
To make a deliberate ambiguous story, everything can't add up neatly. To gain one story is to ignore glaring points from the opposite story. Marinebad is a perfect example. I see this related as much as Inception. The "audience" ultimately decides. The story can never be 'perfectly' clear.
After watching it several times I think I understand Last Year at Marienbad. The husband was the narrator. If you can give any more insight or refute that, I'll be happy to watch it again. I love it.
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Sorry, I read it as the book was titled "the teddy bear." That would have to be taken into account since Teddy is a thorn in Lenny's side. I also forgot that a teddy bear was one of her belongings. That might also be significant, also because of Teddy (which was a pseudonym so maybe not.)
Now that I think of it (for more than 20 seconds) maybe "Teddy" knew of those items Lenny was clinging to and chose his pseudonym accordingly.
Apophenia: the experience of seeing patterns or connections in random or meaningless data.
That's an interesting concept to know. Thank you.
Now, why? All we saw of the behavior of Teddy/John G. was extreme manipulation of Lenny. Why not gather as many tools as are available?
At this point I don't think that's what happened but in a movie that wants us to connect dots, whether memory, faulty memory, confabulation, dream, etc., it seems like an extraordinary coincidence that Lenny had only a few items of his wife and one of them was a teddy bear.
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The original trailer said (something like) "You the audience decide" as if it were up to interpretation. I've only seen it once. I like your impressions. I would see it again sometime but only on a rainy day as it is a bit boring. Well done, but boring.
More on Marienbad--I totally feel like an idiot. I just started reading the reviews at the imdb site. The second review casually states what took me 3 viewings to get. Anyhoo, lots of good reading ahead and another viewing soon.
this is what makes me believe that Lenny still has some morality despite his his immoral at the end of the film where he consciously is choosing to continue hunting for a man he does not believe is the 2nd attacker
But this is actually the middle of the film, the end is when Lenny shoots Teddy.
I believe at that point, his quest is over. As the author said, finding a John G with the same license plate number will never happen.
Of course none of us can say what will happen to him now but he will not have Teddy hanging around using him to kill again. Add to that, I'm pretty sure the only photos Lenny destroyed are those that showed him as an immoral killer, the killings he was manipulated into doing by Teddy, those that did not reflect his moral world view, the killings that had nothing to do with avenging his wife. One more time, those killings were not a conscious choice.
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Leonard's decision to hunt for Teddy is somewhat illogical and sad.
I mean, he knows that the quest is over, but decides to create a false quest for himself. He decides to lie to himself.
As long as he is lying to himself -anyway-, why not at least have support? Wouldn't it be MUCH better to have the exact same thing he would otherwise have (a quest for John G that he can actually finish), but IN ADDITION:
- A friend that helps you and can arrange 'unlimited amount' of John Gs - Unlimited amount John Gs for you, so that ALWAYS have a purpose - Companionship and guidance, not just your own, crazy impulses - A quest you can never finish, so you can keep living the 'hunting life' - You would make a lot of money on the side (how crazy is it to drive around with a fortune in the trunk, never remembering it..?)
ETC.
I mean, wouldn't it be a MUCH better position to actually just apologize to Teddy, acknowledge him as your friend and a long-time companion, and let him help you continue the 'game' until one of you dies, than just kill Teddy all by yourself, so now you are alone, no more John Gs, no more quest, no more 'meaning', no more money, and a lot of loneliness and confusion.
His choice does not make any SENSE, nor is is emotionally satisfying to himself in the long run. He basically chooses 'hell' instead of 'tolerable life'.
He chooses the quest to END (so why even kill Teddy, when he could just tattoo 'I did it' and end it right there (or at least write himself a note to tattoo it)? Even thinking like this, it makes no sense) instead of 'having a meaningful life', but yet does not tattoo 'I did it' on his chest.
There's no conclusion either way, he basically dooms himself into endless confusion and an illogical, impossible loop that always ends with an already dead Teddy (and eventual arrest (or death), when the cops (or 'drug dealers/criminals') find him).
Why would he do this? Wouldn't someone in his condition be ENORMOUSLY grateful that there is someone, who not only knows his condition, but has been HELPING him for years, and making some money on the side for both of them, so they can eat whatever they want, live wherever they want, dress however they want, and drive whatever car they want?
(Though I don't understand why Teddy drives such a crappy car, if this has been going on for awhile - maybe this would be the first bigger score, but then Leonard messes it up. However, Teddy has a perfect opportunity (multiple ones, actually) to break into the trunk of the Jaguar, and take the money, but he doesn't do it.. for ..reasons?))
Anyway, this movie is a bit of a mess - the more you think about it, the less it makes sense, and in the end, it just deflates like a balloon full of hot air.
I love Joe Pantoliano's performance, though .. and some of the atmospheres, and the general idea. But it's not a perfectly thought-out movie. Lenny's character is not only 'a memory guy', but he's also completely illogical and insane, making that choice instead of the reasonable, more human choice.