In one of the final black and white scenes, Leonard comes down to the reception of the inn and sees Teddy there. He queries "Officer Gambel?" To which Teddy hesitantly replies yes. As if he is just going along with it and has no idea who Officer Gambel is, but is going along with Leonards confusion for some kind of gain.
This scene just irked me. Any comments?
He is aware of Burt hearing them. According to his explanation, Burt works for Jimmy Grantz (and possibly knows some more of Jimmy's acquaintances), so he's not excited about Lenny being vocal.
shareBurt works for Jimmy GrantzHow was this determined? I doubt Teddy would send Lenny to that hotel if he didn't know Burt well and that he wouldn't get himself into any trouble with the drug guys. He was trying to get Lenny away from Natalie so he would not send him to a place with other people in that ring.
He's obviously afraid Bert will say that Teddy/John G is not a cop. Nothing he does in the film is anything a cop would do, especially not calling in dead Jimmy.
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the-author...Ever heard of "dirty cops"?!? ofc Teddy was a cop but a dirty one that just wanted some easy cash from a lowlife drug dealer that he didnt need to waste himself...so he used Lenny and his handicap to do his dirty buisness for him...
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Why wasn't he a cop with Dodd? Why wasn't he a cop in the diner? What cop ever works alone? they all have a partner. And if he was a cop, he has no reason to say he's a snitch? That was one of the times he told the truth. Also, he could have just confiscated the jag if he was a cop, just call a tow truck and take the contents. He didn't tell the tattoo lady, "Back off, I'm a cop."
Name one action that is cop-like?
He doesn't pull his gun when running in against an 'injured' Jimmy? His car is a pos? SF cops made 80 grand to start at this time. Even drug dealers would have better cars, look at Jimmy.
You believed it because Leonard believed it. I looked at the facts.
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ok...ever heard of undercover cops?? thats what he said he was all along...and they all work alone and in secret...cant run around the town and yell that u are a cop if ur undercover, and he was undercover in the Jimmy/Dodd circle and tried to use Lenny to kill so he could just take the money and move on to next assignment and keep using Lenny to do the killing, easy!
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HE DOESN'T HAVE THE CAR OF A GUY WITH 200 THOUSAND DOLLARS WORTH OF DRUGS.
HE SAYS HE WAS ASSIGNED TO A RAPE CASE, NOT UNDERCOVER WORK.
UNDERCOVER COPS DO NOT HAVE A DRIVERS LICENSE WITH THEIR REAL NAME AND ADDRESS.
NOTHING INDICATES HE IS AN UNDERCOVER COP. YOU JUST MADE THAT UP.
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Jesus, calm down. Teddy says "don't write Officer Gamble (or whatever it was) down, put down Teddy because I'm undercover" or something along those lines.
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I always thought that he was hesitant because he doesn't want Leonard calling him Gambel, not because he didn't recognize the name. Teddy knows him well enough to know that letting Leonard call him by his "John G" name might eventually lead to Leonard getting confused and hurting him. But in the end it was telling him the truth that got him killed.
shareYep. He thought Leonard would simply forget that he told him his real name was John G. (Imagine John seeing Leonard's tattoo after he brutally killed a man he thought to be John G. That could have been me. Now all I have to do is get him to remember this.)I think one of his huge mistakes is thinking that calling him, "Lenny" makes him seem to be a friend, when actually he tells his friends to call him Leonard.
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Ur a *beep* RETARDED MORON THE-AUTHOR...and btw u can remove caps lock like i just did...he tells Lenny that he works UNDERCOVER when he is about to take the photo of him, so STFU and REWATCH the *beep* movie YOU RETARDED CAPS LOCK NOOB...its not something that I made up...U ARE JUST TO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND AND FOLLOW THE MOVIE. MAYBE he lied but HE COULD BE TELLING THE TRUTH, WE NEVER KNOW, BUT I BELIEVED that he did work undercover since its my theory about things he says and does in the movie, just as i explains in this thread.
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He tells Lenny that he works undercover
its not something that I made up
my theory about things he says and does
ok The-Author...i was just upset with ur lame caps lock shouting act, thats why i named u with some foul words...no need if u can calm down and stop usin caps lock like a rabid dog and discuss the matter like grown ups.
First thing...I didnt make the whole "undercover" thing up, he says it in the movie, and i dont know if its true and neither do u, we never get to know unless we ask mr Nolan...but hes says it in the scene where Lenny wanna take Teddys photography and i interprets it as the truth.
Second...He never tells Lenny he isnt a cop, he tells the just opposite, u rly need to rewatch this movie, and sure he carrys a badge, and if hes not out on some undercover case, he can carry a badge if he wants...maybe he only have it when hes with Lenny incase he forgets about who Teddy really is...its not impossible for an undercover cop to have his badge with him when hes not on a case or on the case atm.
Teddy also tries to manipulte Lenny through the whole movie to his advantage, just like carrie-ann moss does, and thats why we dont rly know if hes a cop or not...my theory is based on what Teddy does and what he says in the movie that makes him a dirty cop that seem to want and make some money on the side by letting Lenny kill some dope dealers for him and at the same time be happy, cause he thinks that he gets his John G. Thats why Teddy is about to take Jimmys car or looking for the money in it, when Lenny calls out for help, when he just killed Jimmy.
And u say that undercover cops doesnt investigate rape murders...ofc they dont, and here is my explantion on this, That event happend either alot of years ago, we never ever get to know a real timeline in this movie, before Teddy was an undercover cop, or it never happend just like Teddy explains in the end, Lenny was infact Sammy that killed his wife with the diabetes shot and Teddy came across Lenny at that point and started to make his plan how to use Lenny for his own dirty purposes after Lenny escapes the mental instituion.
Third...its your theory that doesnt hold up, not mine...u are the one that havnt seen the movie in a while and should rewatch it, cause u havnt got a clue what u are talkin about here, or u just dont understand the movie at all...maybe u lack intellegence, i dont know...but rewatch the movie and come back when u know what ur talkin about, cause right now u are just making a fool out of urself. I myself have seen it twice in a row before i wrote here, and now ive seen it again, so i rly know what im talkin about here.
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Well, you seem new so I'll forgive your lack of depth and over confidence. I've been here ten years and know the story better than most. It isn't my favorite movie. I like that it confuses many people who don't grasp all the details and nuances. You'll get more as time passes. Glad I could help you see some of your mistakes as well as some you won't realize 'till later.
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Well, you seem new so I'll forgive your lack of depth and over confidence. I've been here ten years and know the story better than most. It isn't my favorite movie. I like that it confuses many people who don't grasp all the details and nuances. You'll get more as time passes. Glad I could help you see some of your mistakes as well as some you won't realize 'till later.
You obviously do care. It just frustrates you that you can't fight the evidence.
You'll be back.
Next viewing, watch John consider taking Jimmy's shoes.
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I was confused about this scene also. First off, Lenny was on the phone with someone he thought was a cop and given the info that he was going to meet/get the guy he was after. I assumed it was Teddy as he always set up meetings with Lenny.
Why would he tell Lenny "Officer Gammel" (on the phone) if he didn't want Lenny to know or Burt to hear?
Lenny saw Teddy in Burt's place as soon as he entered the lobby. I assumed he was making a connection between them. I took that to mean Burt worked with Teddy. Teddy recommended that hotel after all, I assumed wanting Lenny in a place where he could easily do things to confuse and control him.
"Now are we sure. that this. is what. we want?"
He called himself "Officer Gammel" because he wanted to pull Lenny out of his room (and Lenny refused to talk on the phone with just anyone) and because he wanted to give some credibility to his words so that Lenny would tend to believe him more when he said that Jimmy is his man.
As for Burt, he (according to Teddy) works with Jimmy. It may or may not be true (he said it prior to going into his fit of sincerity yet), but if it is, it's surely a reason why Teddy didn't want Burt to hear his real name.
I assume he thought there's a strong chance that when Lenny goes to the lobby, he'd already forget who called him out and would just play along with whatever goes - as he always does.
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I think Burt works with Teddy. Teddy sent Lenny to that hotel. He would have sent him somewhere else if he had any worry about Burt hearing anything.
Teddy was taking Lenny to kill Jimmy. Lenny might have come in to the lobby and said something about getting the guy. Teddy would not take a chance like that.
"Now are we sure. that this. is what. we want?"
He called himself "Officer Gammel" because he wanted to pull Lenny out of his room (and Lenny refused to talk on the phone with just anyone) and because he wanted to give some credibility to his words so that Lenny would tend to believe him more when he said that Jimmy is his man.
[rolls eyes] I didn't say he's *lying* about being officer Gammel. He just uses that persona sparingly, when he feels it's necessary, and doesn't mention it when it's inconvenient. After all, he *is* preparing a murder, even if he won't commit it with his own hands, and he must consider the possibility of investigation. "Some guy" following the suspect is a pretty crappy lead, but "there was an officer" is a strong lead he doesn't need at all.
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"..he doesn't want Leonard calling him Gambel"
Gee-eez.
Why do so many posters get so many things wrong? If I were to correct all the wrong quotes about Memento alone, I'd be here all night.
It's "Officer Gammell".
Not 'Gambel'. Not 'Gamble'. Not 'Gamell'.
It's so easy to get it right, why did you mistype it anyway? On purpose?
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wow, you disagree with his spelling. How insightful.
Glad you corrected him. Obviously he doesn't know anything if he misspells someone'w name.
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What's been suggested here are all good interpretations but here's what really happened there.
-Teddy didn't have a chance to lie about his name as Leonard had the investigation file which Teddy's real name was written. Remember he was working on Leonard's case at that time.
-Teddy said he was a cop to Burt but didn't reveal his real name and identified himself as Officer Teddy. When Leonard called him Gammel his suspicious look to Burt is because he was worried if Burt heard this and checked him with a suspicious face.
The problem with Burt hearing this is 1) He would know Teddy lied about his name and would get suspicious weather he is a real cop. Eventually he could be a problem to Teddy. 2) Leo is a fugitive from asylum and police are probably looking for him. When they find his trail and go to discount inn they will interrogate Burt. And naturally Burt would tell them there was a cop here named Officer Gammel. And it would then be easy to find him as you can guess.
These reasons are why he acted that way when leo called him Gammel.