What. The. HELL?


Wow. I just saw this movie, and it made less sense than... watching Evangelion with LSD. Yes, it was very pretty and all, and there was some symbolism and stuff, but still... I totally didn't get it. Could someone please explain this mess of creppy music and blank staring to me? Anyone?

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No I haven't watched Eva on LSD. I'm dumb, but not dumb enough for drugs. ^o~

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LSD is not a drug, sweetheart.

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It is. Lysergic Acid Diethylamide and it is INCREDIBLE. OP try to keep an open mind, there is nothing stupid about self experimentation.

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I guess he's talking about this movie http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0206827/ which apparently re-uses footage from Angel's Egg but changes the story, for example the man and the girl is now brother and sister. I haven't seen it but it sounds kinda crappy...

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I think that from what I've read about about it, the way to understand the appeal of Tenshi no Tamago is not to think of it so much as film, or even as animation, but more as a surrealist painting come to life. For example, when was the last time you heard someone describe the work of Dalí or de Chirico as "making less sense than watching Evangelion with LSD"?

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Just thought I’d get back to you on your comment. I wonder if you'll still be interested a year and a half on but anyway.

I thought the film dealt with the hypocrisy of ideas/ideologies/faith/belief; how the very thing that kills a person one day, emulates them the next.

This film is obviously soaked in symbolism; pretty much everything has a reason. The buildings show the last failed world of the last ideal, lying in ruins - in this case the European/Russian pinnacle with the pictures of the proletarian, statues and other remnants of past centuries still hanging around.

The soldier assisting in enforcing rule but doesn’t understand why he does it. He follows without question, forgetting why he was doing it in the first place. He carries out his mission without emotion, never smiling, maybe because he has forgotten how to, or has never done so.

The guys who chase fish that can not be killed, almost trying to chase out something that is only imaginary, something that can only exist in thought, something that could never exist in reality without people and consciousness - the fish out of water would die, but the guys still keep chasing it, it’s a parallel to ideas without people.

The angel is a child who shows innocence, beauty, faith, love, anything unhindered, untainted. She is the new generation, but is left desolate, isolated in an empty world in the aftermath of the last war of ideas. She wonders on her own, unable to communicate, people running around her, oblivious that she even exists.

She places her love in the egg, the symbol of the future, something new, inspiring hope, but fragile and in need of love, attention. She also places her faith in another man, the first one to acknowledge her. She is betrayed by the very person she trusted, that person being the one who works for the very ideals that can not allow the egg to exist.

But in her death she puts forward more tiny eggs that then bear fruit and before the ship of the old ideals leaves, she is already one of its god/hero’s.

This may help; maybe I’m talking rubbish, who knows.

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My thoughts having just watched it for the first time:

Angel's Egg | 10/10

The best Anime film I've ever seen. It's a 71 minute Surrealistic art piece that could or could not be about a lot of things. There are themes of innocence, cyclical life, the fall of ideals, loyalty, memory, and many others. I was reminded of Tarkovsky throughout the entire thing, most notably the final shot, which seems almost intentionally related to the final shot of Solyaris (1972). This is from the director of Ghost in the Shell and the Art Director of many Final Fantasy games.

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Hmm. I've read about that movie in an anime-magazine. There was a special about Yoshitaka Amano which really impressed me. There were screenshots of this movie and other works of him. I wanted to see this movie, but it wasn't available. Today, with the Internet, I get able to see this movie.

That was disappointing: Well animated, beautiful look but at last it is pathetic. In my opinion it tries to be very poetic and surreal, enigmatic and all. And there are homages to Russian artists like Andrej Tarkowski (which I really admire...), but here it is without any substance. I have this feeling very often when I watch animes. It's 280% atmosphere on the screen so that I'm not able to get into any mood (which creates the atmosphere in my brain). It's too much. Anyone agree or is it just me?!

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I can see where you are coming from. However it seems the movie market is bogged down with movies that are the complete opposite of this one. It was refreshing to actually be able to disect a movie. It was refreshing to see a movie that actually takes chances. The viewer isn't spoonfed the same old plot devices and pacing of the average Hollywood fare. I didn't find Angel's Egg cliche either. It was before the time when most animes became repetitive and stale. Same goes with American animation. I believe this movie would be a tremendous flop today. Even if it was updated, and the flaws reversed etc. It might be a critical success, but most movie goers are not used to films that take chances. In the end most people will just call it pretentious.

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I dont think there really is a reason for this film to fake the poetic and surreal aspect. I think it's a great piece of film just because nothing is forced in this film.

The thought-provoking aspect is reall really good too, I don't believe there is one explanation to this film. Everyone can take there own view of what they saw, actually make up the character's (back)stories on their own as well!

It blew my mind.

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While the film does start in very open-ended surrealism, the more it progresses, the more it's comming to a definitive conclusion;
A conclusion derived on Christianity and one of it's stories.

A girl comes down into a desert in an amazing orb (resembling God's sad eye) filled with peacefull statues and after an unknown time wakes up in the ruins of a crumbling world, protecting a big egg.

She wanders the streets of a ghost town, filled with ominous statues, weird machinery and a christlike figure. The two get close and eventualy he tells her a inversion version of Noah's arc story.

That story is the bulk of the film and not some random symbolism.

While she sleeps, the man cracks the egg open and prematurely releases the bird or angel inside of it - maybe even kills it.

The girl wakes up and seeing tzhe cracked egg follows the man and incidentally falls into a cravis and dies while giving birth to many other eggs.

But since the egg was broken prematurely, all the other, bigger eggs hatch and escape. They gather into the sea while a perpetual rain starts overflowing this world with water.

Out of the sea rises the orb eye (now seeming to be crying) with another peacefull statue in it - the little girl.

The film ends by taking a shot of this whole dying world, which is in fact Noah's arc itself.

It's about giving Men the possibility of redemption or salvation of some kind and Men continuosly (by ignorance or malevolence) throwing that possibility away.


It's about Men who, quote:

forgot they had released the bird; forgot there was a bird.

They even forgot there was a world sunken under water.

They forgot where they were from; how long they traveled; and where they were going.

A sad end, but not without hope.



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I didn't even catch that the world was shaped as Noah's ark. Good eye!

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The meaning is pretty simple.

The town was built on the huge hull of Noah's Ark, which has suffered centuries of neglect. You can see at the end of the movie that the wreck is actually upside down, which means the Ark didn't survive the Flood. The dove never came back because there was no land to reach. God didn't forgive His children their sins (and overall stupidity).

Add to this a truckload of esoteric symbols which you can interpret any way you like, and you get a mindstorming masterpiece. It doesn't need to talk much to be though-provoking.

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I've also heard it said that the world at the end resembled the olive-tree leaf that was brought by the dove in the Biblical ark story, which creates another possible meaning.

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SPOILERS!!!




I figured that in the film they are living on top of Noah's Ark (shown in intro credits and the ending), and are too afraid to actually move out into the rest of the world. Why are they too afraid? Because of traditions. The giant sphere of statues I think represented traditions of old, and the man with the staff was the keeper of traditions.

The little girl represented innocence, and her egg represented her virginity and hope for the future. The tale I felt was a morality tale. Should I trust people who I don't know? The man believed so much in tradition that he believed the only way to know what was in the egg was to break it. He had no hope, and had to see for himself. He had no faith. He was the opposite of the girl, who had a childlike faith.

This breaking of her egg symbolized a metaphorical rape, and when she committed suicide, her body became a woman's, symbolizing that she has lost her innocence from the "rape." It was the rape of hope and faith, in a sense.

However, the girl was the one who was right. She believed in hope, and as she died, she gave birth to many eggs, to more faith and hope. Her hope prevailed over her demise, even though she became another statue on the sphere of traditions. Another victim, yet a bittersweet victory.

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After reading all your interpretations i thought i'll put in my two cents...

the soldier looks like jesus...notice how he is carries his 'sword'? also how the sword looks a lot like the cross....

god has forsaken men and left them to rot(their own mistake...the buggers)....but somehow an innocent girl survives and she carries with her..'hope for humanity'

but god doesn't want any of this malarkey so he smashes the girl's hope to pieces and 'crucifies' her.

unfortunately even god(an angry one..in this case) can't destroy the human spirit...thus the girl's legacy is the birth of 'seeds of hope'....

well that's what i thought....btw once i read the board i now feel combatwombatt's interpretation to be much more agreeable....so to show off my sensitive side to my friends...that's the version i'm gonna use to explain the movie...thnx wombat

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You're welcome mettalicatrush :)

I love watching and analyzing movies like this.

Last movies seen:
Superbad: 7/10
Raging Bull: 9.5/10
Dersu Uzala: 9/10

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I saw it while High and it sure as hell did not make any sense

but I still liked it!



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