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Anyone else not buy Louis/Tawny?

posted 18 years ago by theThief
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I'm sure most fans loved them, as I myself did initially. But after watching the show for a long time, and seeing several episodes repeatedly, I found that I didn't like them very much. Primarily becuase Louis fell out of favor with me.

I found him immature, rude, disrespectful, selfish, and above all things, obnoxious. It also seems like most of the time Tawny doesn't find him very funny either. She rolls her eyes and leaves whenever he and Twitty are doing something stupid-- probably viewing it, as she says in the episode Thin Ice, as an episode of pre-adolescent arrested development. She claims in her video to like him for being funny, but most of the time she doesn't laugh at his jokes. She does a little more in s3, but her character was losing a lot of what made her interesting at that point. She'd lost her edge, you know?

Louis and Tawny don't seem to have anything in common, so I wonder what do they talk about? Generally, they talk about Louis and his problems. There is an episode where Tawny is talking about something else and Louis just interrupts her, like 'back to me now'.

I would think Tawny would me more interested in someone mature and decent. Maybe who has a similar sense of humor to hers. She seems intelligent enough, so I can't understand why she puts up with Louis lame, immature antics.

Basically, they strike me, as many TV couples do, as characters that like each other simply because that's what the writers want and not because they actually fit. Like if they were real people they wouldn't be into each other. Though I can see Louis being into Tawny, it's the other way around that I don't get. It's suggested that Tawny kind of has her pick of the boys considering the guy she goes to Sadie Hawkins had eight other offers before Tawny, but he still went with her.

I will say Louis is better than Zack Estrada-- that kid was just dumb. But Louis isn't that great and I think Tawny could do a lot better than him.

In all honesty, it seems a stretch that they're even friends. Twitty and Louis as friends make sense, Tawny and Louis don't. Tawny and Twitty make a little more sense because Twitty seems like a really nice guy, the kind of guy most people like probably. I wouldn't see him and Tawny as 'best friends' or anything though.

Anyway, that my rant for the day. Louis and Tawny have their moments but I don't get why she'd settle for him.

[–] littlemissninja 18 years ago

well said! i agree.... but you do have to consider (as you did) that practically EVERY Disney Chan series the main character usually has one BFF of the same gender, and one of the oppisite(sp?)(i.e. Twitty & Tawny)... and the main char predictably ends up with the oppisite gender BFF... am i wrong? but again good post!

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[–] Cristina_Rox 18 years ago

OMG I HAAATE THAT!!! it is sooo true!!! on every disney channel show the main character always ends up liking their best friend!!! its like they are saying you cant have a best friend of the oppisite gender without falling in love with them!! that annoys me soo much!!

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&& we'll twist the night away~

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[–] lauren_gymnast1993 18 years ago

Totally agree. I have a lot of guy friends, just naturally, because I'm a bit of a tom boy, and everyone at my school (this has been happening since 2nd grade and we're nearly in high school, one would think they would've matured a bit by now) thinks that I must be dating/want to date my guy friends or vice versa. Why do they think that? They watched the Disney channel when they were younger - or just TV in general. Which sucks for the people that see men and women as equals and believe they can be friends with both without having to develop feeling for the opposite gender friends (or sometimes same gender).

[–] iuokere 18 years ago

I totally see what ur saying!!! Examples:

Lizzie McGuire( Lizze & Gordo)
Phil of the future( Phil & Keely)
Kim Possible(Kim and ron, somtimes)
That's so Raven( Raven & Eddie)

And I'm sure many more to come!!

[–] theThief 18 years ago

Yeah, it's the predictable standard. I didn't watch the rest of those shows though, so I don't know if those pairings worked in addition to fitting the Disney protocol.

Like Boy Meets World, though I consider it a bit different than those shows, in the early episodes Cory and Topanga weren't interested in each other, but they grown into it. They fit, I think. It all works out, despite being a predictable pairing.

Louis and Tawny really don't because like I said, I find it hard to believe she'd like him even as a friend. And as more than that... she's so insanely out of his league it's not even funny.

ETA: I feel that TV show couples are of two sorts-- the kind that are 'destined to be together no matter what', that is, the writer's decide it and no matter how unrealistic or unnatural it seems or becomes, they keep it that way. And then there are the instances when a couple forms out of genuine chemistry between the actors and their characters, that is, relationships that aren't necessarilty planned but the tension emerges naturally out of the situations and so the characters form a relationship. The latter here is what happens in the real world. Louis and Tawny are an example of the former option.

[–] macysay23 18 years ago

Louis and Tawny were extremely romantic!!!

Even Stevens was one of the first to start that. I hate it how everyone does it now,but at first I liked it. It is so predictable now.

I for one,always will love louis/tawny.

I hated how Ren went to boy to boy even though that was more realistic.

[–] theThief 18 years ago

Even Stevens wasn't one of the first to start that. Other Disney channel series that came before did it too, and numerous non-Disney shows have done it. It's rare to have a series with best friends of the opposite sex who remain just friends the entire time the show is on the air, unless one is gay.

And my point wasn't so much that they were a couple in the standard Diseny formula, though they were. It was that I don't think they fit together at all. I don't think they'd really be friends even, at least not in the 3rd season.

And I know people will say you can be friends with people who are complete opposites of you and all that, but if you think about it, there's always at least one thing in common-- they like a similar band, grew up in a similar family, like the same type of movies, have a shared hobby or interest... just one thing at least. If they truly had nothing in common, what would they do together? Just as friends, just for fun? Louis and Tawny have nothing in season 3.

Louis and Tawny would be friends early in the show, like in the first season. It's believeable that they are best friends, and even that she might like him. But, I don't see season 3 Louis as someone Tawny would be interested in. I think she'd have moved on to different friends by then. Tom would have too. Louis and Twitty could probably remain close friends, and I could see Tom and Tawny both staying in touch with Twitty more than Louis...

Tom, in particular really, Louis just treated him like crap. Louis takes everyone for granted all the time and acts like they are only here to oblige him in some way. I would think someone like Tawny would get sick of his selfish, obnoxious personality. She could only handle him in small doses as a friend even. She just outgrew him in early season 2, if you ask me.

Oddly enough, the Louis/Tawny centered episodes are my favorite ones in the series so... go figure... And Ren/whatever guy annoyed me more. Louis/Tawny were cute (prior to season3, save a moment or two), just unrealistic, in my opinion.

I just think she could do a lot better... it really wouldn't be hard. Season 3 Louis is just a total jerk, in my opinion. Season 1 he was likeable, most of season 2 he wasn't bad, but season 3... he's just an @$$.

[–] crimson_n_clover 18 years ago

It's not a Disney show but I feel the same way about the "out-of-the-blue" pairing of Ned and Moze on Nick's Ned Declassified Guide.As the series ends they have them kiss and then it's like they were the couple to be all along.Awful!

[–] wmoussanprincess 18 years ago

Yeah, and now it's:

Loliver (bleh)
Cory an Meena
I hate cory in the house

I think that Louis and Tawny should be friends. But, to late...I am a fan, but I don't think disney should be have best friends become boyfriend/girlfriend. Disney has become to predictable.

[–] miaangel345 18 years ago

lolz but the ironic thing is none of those couples EVER get together except in 3 cases Lizzie and Gordo in Rome and Kim & Ron, on the new season and Tawny & Louis on the series finale!!

But... Eddie & Raven went out ONCE and then decided to jus be friends

and Phil & Keely went out for like one freakin day then he had to go back to the future lolz

but yeah it's always a bff or diff genders hookin up, which IS to show ur gf/bf SHOULD be ur best friend!!! you shouldn't go out with some u weren't friends with first!! disney is showing that bcuz it's true, that's y on HSM Gabriella and Troy AREN'T going out bcuz they jus met and won't go out until HSM 3!!!

oh and about the first post opposites attract, what can u say??? ppl with similar personalities as there I'm sur ahve hooke dup in REAL life, it's cool us houldn't sweat it!!

Ashley Tisdale 4 ever

let's learn to love <3

[–] scissorhands__emily 18 years ago

Well I think when your best friends with someone from the opposite sex, you at least at one point liked them as more than a friend (I'm talking if you are like really best best friends with them though, and hang out all the time and stuff, not just like really good friends, but better friends with the guy than all of your girl friends). I mean I've had 2 really good guy friends and liked them both! I went out with the one, and the other I had a really big crush on and would call his house saying I forgot to write down the homework just so I could call him and talk. Now however it's like it wouldn't happen, but still tons of my friends will be like when are you guys going to hook up. Having friends of the opposite sex definitly doesn't mean you like eachother though, and it's an annoying thing to say (people say it to one of my friends who has a boyfriend! they still think she likes another guy she is just friends with, which isn't true).

Although I'm sort of agreeing about the Louis/Tawny relationship, but only in the movie. I thought in the movie Tawny looked like she would rather hang with Twitty and had no chemistry or anything with Louis in the movie. However in the show I loved them together, and in the episode where they kissed I absolutely loved it.

I agree about those cliche Disney Channel hookups between best friends though. Some of them seem really out of the blue (like Raven and Eddie, whatever!), but some of them are good. Phil and Keely seemed destined since the first episode (a big reason so many watch it is because of the relationship between the two and their amazing chemistry; they actually seem like two best friends that would actually hook up) and so were Kim and Ron (Kim and Ron take the complete opposite thing too though, but it works; and I'm so glad we get a whole season of them dating, instead of a series finale when they finally hook up like on everything else). Lizzie and Gordo I don't think was a very good couple though from the start (it never really seemed like they were into eachother, except for maybe by Gordo). So, this is a big cliche on Disney which works once in awhile, but is really predictable. Another show, Zoey 101 is doing this too between the main characters (I don't even watch the show and know that). They do it all the time on a lot of shows, and it's becoming annoying. I can still love the ones that actually work out though.

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[–] iuokere 13 years ago

I know this post is PAINFULLY old, but Troy and Gabriella were so going out throughout the HSM series. They just never kissed onscreen until HSM 3

[–] amaarthi 17 years ago

Heh, I do agree that it's totally cliche, and whatnot, but I do think it's cute when the writers do have a plan and slowly build up the idea of a certain couple, so when they do get together it's really nice. And during the seasons we do get a sense that Louis does like Tawny, though it's subtle, maybe she likes him too but we don't get to see it cause the show focuses on Ren/Louis's perspectives?

And yeah it's totally predictable, but hey, Disney gave us fairy tales (prince marries princess, *always*), how much more predictable can you get? And it's not just Disney either, the whole main-character-falls-for-opposite-gender-friend seems to happen in most kid-(even teen-)geared shows/movies. But meh. I'm a sucker for cute things. =>

[–] maxpower10 18 years ago

The Original Poster made very good points but overlooked one little detail:

Louis and Tawny are both in junior high.

Junior high kids are notorious for doing goofy things. They probably would have been boyfriend/girlfriend for a few days or maybe even weeks, and then called it quits. That could be realistic.

[–] theThief 18 years ago

haha. I agree with that, I really do. They did get together for a very short period of time in the show (one episode) but they (the writers) still pushed a "meant to be" thing with them and made sure to have them declare their love for one another by series end and then get back together (or so it's implied). They clearly aren't treated like a realistic Jr. High couple-- Twitty and his brief girlfirend Allison are. And Ren and her boys are (though I personally preferred L/T to any of Ren's relationships).

[–] nightbear16 18 years ago

this show was like the bad version of boy meets world lol.but i still enjoyed it

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[–] NoirCat2528 17 years ago

I liked that they were both anti-establishment, but for different reasons. Tawny, for the sake of anarchy and Louis, as a reaction to his siblings' mainstream success that he knew he could never match.

They did have the same sense of humor, as exhibited in "Easy Way".

Being that he wasn't as mature as her, he had a much harder time expressing his feelings for her and often made things much more complicated than they needed to be though. Such is young love. I thought he did the right thing ending it after the play, however. That was a rare moment of self-awareness for Lou. lol

I will agree that she should have gone to that performing arts school though. NO Junior High relationship is worth passing up an opportunity like that for. Bad message.

"The eyes, Socrates, go for the eyes."

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[–] damienmarks 14 years ago

Well, i think what you have to understand first off is that Tawny doesn't really have a 'laugh out loud' personality. So, if she actually did show her smile or laugh, then she most likely found it sidesplitting.

Just look at how she was BEFORE she met Louis.

crack.

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