Was Bob DeNiro's character real?
Was there an actual person he was based off of, or was he made up?
shareWas there an actual person he was based off of, or was he made up?
shareYep... very real. :)
shareSorry, love.
De Niro's character, Billy Sunday, was not real.
He was a combination of all the commanding officers Brashear encountered.
"Every man must go through hell to reach paradise." - Robert De Niro, "Cape Fear"
No way! I didn't know that!
Are you sure? Cause I think i remember seeing an interview with the real Carl Brashear, in which he spoke about the real Billy Sunday. But i might be wrong.
Thanks for the correction MrBlond... learn somethin new every day! :)
I think I see a romance blossoming here. ;)
shareMaybe Billy Sunday, the person existed, but in the movie he was a combination of all the diffrent officers.
shareHe was fictitious but an alter ego of Brashear who in real life had alcohol problems and went to Navy rehab like Billy did in the movie.
shareGo here to learn if De Niro's character, Bill Sunday, was a real person?
http://www.chasingthefrog.com/reelfaces/menofhonor.php
See pics of Carl Brashear.
Enjoy.
Hey deadzone, thanks for the link to reelfaces - Cool Site!
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Billy Sunday was not a Commanding Officer, so how could he be a combination of various CO's?. He was a Chief, which is far from a CO. If that Character did exist in the movie, it would Most likely be David Conrads character.
shareExcuse me that I don't know the correct, proper term for whatever kind of officer De Niro's character was. My point is the character was not real but a composite of Brashaer's superior officers. And I think you know that is what I meant.
Thank you.
"A facility for quotation reveals the absence of original thought." - Lord Peter Wimsey
Also, keep in mind that, until 1958 there was no such thing as a "Master" (or Senior) Chief. Of course this doesn't prove the character wasn't real but it is a glaring error for those of us with naval service.
In case anyone is interested, an enlisted career has three possible stages. First stage is E1-E3. S/he can be a Fireman, Seaman or Airman. Then we have the great early moment when an enlisted member becomes a Petty Officer (gets one or more chevron stripes). The best of these folk go on to become Chiefs (E-7). It's a very special moment when you "put on your anchors." In the old days, this was the highest rank an enlisted could attain (not Master Chief, as the Powers Boothe character proclaims dramatically in the movie). Now we have Senior Chiefs (E-8) and Master Chief (E9). The Navy's seniormost enlisted is Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy, often referred to as MCPON ("mic-pon"). You informally address these members as "Chief," "Senior," or "Master Chief."
I gotta say, as great of an actor as he is, I can't see old Bobby in a military uniform. I'm sure we can all agree based on his past, that it's difficult to see him in a police outfit. So I'm perplexed at the casting director's decision to aggravate this idea by making Dinero into some authoritative figure. Well, I guess he did a good job, but I've always felt Dinero was typecast for criminal roles because those are the most memorable ones. So was this character real? Hard to say...would it be real if John Cusak started doing action films (they made fun of that in "High Fidelity")? You're always a wise guy to me, Mr. Dinero. Oh well, good film though overall.
shareYeah, he was a chief petty officer, not an officer. Theres a huge difference. If you called a chief an officer, he'd more then likely beat the living sh*t out of you.
Billy Sunday was a combination of real life people. I'm in the Navy myself. Theres a whole big section on this movie in my Bluejackets manuel.
"Yeah, he was a chief petty officer, not an officer. Theres a huge difference. If you called a chief an officer, he'd more then likely beat the living sh*t out of you.
Billy Sunday was a combination of real life people. I'm in the Navy myself. Theres a whole big section on this movie in my Bluejackets manuel. "
hahaha a chief would beat you up for insinuating that he is an officer??? I don't think so, nub. Welcome to the Navy, you must be new around here.
Personally, I think De Niro can play anything he puts hind to.
shareNo, I don't mean it literally, but it seems that chiefs tend to consider themselves better than officers, especially junior officers. I'm currently at submarine school right now and I often hear the phrase "the chiefs run the boat".
Another example: There is a cartoon picture in one of the classrooms of a chief and an ensign talking. The ensign says "Chief, I don't understand. How come a chief can become an ensign, but an ensign can't become a chief?" And the chief replied "We have our standards."
And my dad was a sargent in the army, and he seems to have a little resentment towards junior officers, he even beat one up during his career.
I was never in the military. Just a member of the Civil Air Patrol. But we had a lot of ex-military volunteers. I heard from several ex-NCOs that if in the Army you call an NCO "sir" by mistake he answers "I work for a living..."
shareNavy Chiefs generally do consider themselves better than other officers because they have more military experience. They definitely consider themselves better than Ensigns as that is a rank an enlisted man who became an officer would never hold. An ensign is an officer who has had no prior military service.
My husband is a Senior Chief in the Navy and his Dad was a Navy Commander who held every rank in the Navy up to that except, Ensign.
Billy Sunday: A Chief Petty Officer shall not drink. However, if he should drink he shall not get drunk. If he should get drunk, he shall not stagger. And if he should stagger, he shall not fall. And if he should fall, he will fall in such a manner as to cover up his rank so that passerbyers will think he is an officer.
"Do the interns get Glocks?
Quote: "Navy Chiefs generally do consider themselves better than other officers because they have more military experience. They definitely consider themselves better than Ensigns as that is a rank an enlisted man who became an officer would never hold. An ensign is an officer who has had no prior military service. "
That's not true. One of my old 1st Classes made Chief, then she got her commission. She became an Ensign.
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