Motel scene
What happened with that bit where he asked Ryan Phillipe's character to get his jacket from the room, then saved him from being shot, then his jacket wasn't in the room? What was the point of doing that?
shareParker (Phillippe) had told a long personal story to Longbaugh (Del Toro) that concluded with the idea that crimes against children were the worst and unforgivable. He finished with something like, believe me, I know...alluding to the fact that he was abused as a child.
Parker thought he had convinced Longbaugh to abandon the woman they had kidnapped since in order to collect the ransom they would have to take her baby away and give it to Chidduck.
In reality Longbaugh knew that the woman was just playing Parker for sympathy. He asks Parker to go back in the room for his jacket because he knows that she will have set up a trap to kill or maim them. He lets Parker go to the door and pulls him away at the last second as she blasts the shotgun through the door.
You can tell on Parker's face that he now knows he was suckered.
"I'd never ask you to trust me. It's the cry of a guilty soul."
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this is almost complete.
I also got the feeling that both of them were not trusting each other at that moment.
Longbaugh saw her move towards the shotty while he is listening to Parker's story.
so now does Parker want to A. quit the kidnapping, B. eliminate Longbaugh to cut him out, C. eliminate Longbaugh because he has given into her 'story', or D. had his vision clouded and trusts ppl too much.
he sends Parker back into the room to find out which it was.
at that point Parker then is left with the thoughts of A. was he just set up by Longbaugh (hence sticking his firearm into Longbaughs chin) or B. realized that he is wrong about ppl and Longbaugh is correct but he is till pissed at him(that is the second time he let parker walk into a trap, the first being the doc with the burner in his medical bag that longbaugh lets slip in)
i thought that this moment basically seals their fate, Parker realizes that there no getting out now. doing a right after wronging someone doesn't fix anything and they will not just up-and-forgive you.
I've got a question of my own. Why after all this and the shootings with the arrived Mexican police, did Parker and Longbaugh decide to go back and re-capture Lewis' character and ask by torturing the other bodyguard "Where did they take her?" What was up with that?
The greatest trick the Devil has ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist!
Zombie, where the girl goes, the ransom follows. They torture the bodyguard to find out where the second bodyguard has taken her. It's THEIR kidnapping and they want her back since the bodyguards have taken it over. Now here's the confusing part: Parker and Longbaugh go to the Mexican whorehouse where the bodyguard has stashed the girl so that the doc can deliver the baby. The ransom shows up there (complete with Sarno and a posse to kill Longbaugh and Parker.) But Longbaugh and Parker couldn't have possibly told Sarno or Chidduck to go there since they had to torture the guard to find out about it themselves. So the other body guard (Taye Diggs) must have called Chidduck to give the location and lied about who had the girl, thinking he was going to kill Sarno.
"I'd never ask you to trust me. It's the cry of a guilty soul."
That's a fair enough summation Guilty. Let us not forget the dynamic of Sarno and Longbaugh's relationship. It's setup with the older crook being the pragmatic, realist mentor with the idealist younger disciple. Del Toro's character is always testing Phillippe's in situations to keep him on his toes. Hence leaving the gun in the medical bag, and the fetch the coat scene at the motel room. Sarno is always bringing the kid up-to-date with reality by testing him in situations. The director did an awesome job of giving us all these clues visually, without inane narration or vapid dialogue.
You know how you get to Carnegie Hall don't ya? Practice. ---Lt. Aldo Raine
You have done an excellent job explaining why this is absolutely one of my favorite films, mxlflx. Nothing is ever handed to us. You have to be observant, learn, and deduce...just like a successful con man.
We watch as Longbaugh schools Parker in a relationship that is built on a bond we can only wonder at. Lessons: the gun in the bag -- the card game -- the girl with the shotgun.
Yet when it really matters, like the smooth cooperation and silent communication of the kidnapping and the final gun fight, they are almost as one. There's history there and experience.
The whole damn movie is fascinating on many levels.
"I'd never ask you to trust me. It's the cry of a guilty soul."
Abner followed Jeffers from the parking lot shootout after Jeffers grabbed the girl and the doc.
Abner called Sarno and told him where everybody was (at the whorehouse).
Sarno called everybody else (ransom, shooters, ambulance).
"What the f-ck is the internet?" -Jay, Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back
Abner couldn't get a phone signal, remember? And when Sarno finds him, Abner doesn't have time to tell him anything before he dies.
"I'd never ask you to trust me. It's the cry of a guilty soul."
Jeffers and Abner were both having trouble getting signals and then they both got signals.
Jeffers called the whorehouse and told them he was coming and to be ready.
Abner called Sarno and told him to head south and he would talk him into his location.
When Sarno found him Abner told him, "She's up there with the doctor and the colored fella."
"What the f-ck is the internet?" -Jay, Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back
Ok, Ok. I'll admit it's been a few months since I watched this film. When Abner tells him "She's up there...." of course that's McQuarrie's link to Sarno. It's a weak link, but very much in the spirit of old Westerns in which everyone seemed to find whomever they needed to confront.
"I'd never ask you to trust me. It's the cry of a guilty soul."