Why Parker and Longbaugh didn't succeed at the end

And I love how you're mocking statements that weren't even made in this thread.

Also, stubbornly believe what you will, but there *is* a difference between 'clips' and 'magazines' and the terms are not interchangeable just like 'tire' and 'wheel' aren't.

A magazine is an essential component in every magazine-fed firearm (i.e. the vast majority of guns used today and all but one of the guns used in this movie). The magazine is the device in which ammunition is stored and from which it is fed into the mechanism. It could be integral (such as the magazine of a bolt-action rifle, the tube magazine of a pump-action shotgun, or even the cylinder of a revolver-type weapon) or detachable (such as the detachable box magazines of most semi-automatic pistols and rifles).

A 'clip', of which there are several types, is simply anything that holds loose ammunition together, just like a paperclip holds paper together. Stripper clips and moon clips are good examples of such devices. Clips hold several rounds together as a unit, speeding up the process of loading magazines, but they're not required for the weapon in question to function. They're a reloading aid, nothing more.

The M1 Garand is the only exception to this rule that I know of. It's an odd case because its 'en-bloc' clip is inserted into the integral magazine along with the ammunition, and it must be present for the weapon to work. This is the source of much of the confusion between the two terms.

The exception that is the M1 Garand aside, this is the rule:

* Magazines hold ammunition AND feed it into the chamber.
* Clips hold loose ammunition together to make it easier to feed it into a magazine.

1)So, you're telling people warchild, that people should be lazy with proper terms? A clip is what an SKS or an M1 Garand uses to house the ammunition. A magazine (or box magazine) is what the 1911 and every handgun/most rifles such as the AR or the AK use nowadays. Saying that EITHER/OR when it comes to those terms is foolish and downright lazy. Besides, try going into a gun store and saying that to the owner, you'll be looked at as ignorant. Lastly, each have their designations for a reason. Do you call a baseball bat a golf club, or a hammer a crowbar? No, you wouldn't. Even though both serve those purposes. It's not being snobby, it's being correct with terminology. And no, in the gun community handgun/rifle magazines are not called "clips" unless they are rifles that actually use CLIPS such as the M1 Garand or the SKS. The only ones who call things like that incorrectly are people who: 1) have the Hollywood mentality when it comes to seeing guns in movies and video games, 2) very little experience with firearms or own one or two guns, and don't really know because nobody ever really told them, and 3) MORONS.

2)Well, the 1911 is known worldwide for being chambered in .45 ACP. In pretty much every movie, guns that fire 9mm blank firing rounds are used because it is easier to cycle through the shots with the 9mm blanks compared with most other calibers. Some movies such as Pulp Fiction purposely let people know that the 1911 is chambered in 9mm, while others intend for the 1911 to be in .45 ACP, but have to use the 9mm blanks for the gun to cycle properly. So, in movies such as this, the viewer is led to believe that the 1911 is in .45 ACP, but behind the scenes, the movie crew probably had the gun converted to shoot 9mm blanks. Lastly, that would be completely stupid to carry a gun that was designed to shoot .45 ACP to shoot 9mm. You gain one to two rounds at the most. Not to mention that the .45 ACP has more stopping power, so at the end, you're actually losing some advantages with the change in caliber. As I've said before, I'm sure that they put the 1911 in there for people to think that a ".45" was being used, yet for the gun to cycle right, they needed it in 9mm. I call BS on how you could tell the difference between the 9mm version and the .45 ACP version. You wouldn't know a tapered barrel if it was in front of your face.

"Every time there is a bang, the world's a wanker short." -Billy Connolly

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I've always thought that "clips" were for handguns and "magazines" were for rifles [unless, by "magazines", you're talking about buildings used specifically to store ammo or glossy, bounded stacks of paper one reads on the toilet].

Actually...bottom line..., whether other posters have used these terms incorrectly is below my concern level.

~~Bayowolf
There's a difference between being frank... and being dick.

Oh FFS, if you've spent much time looking at 1911s, it's *trivial* to differentiate a 9mm vs .45 1911 at a glance. The small bore is noticeably out of place in a slide and bushing designed for the larger .45.

You might not be able to say whether an isolated disc is 9mm or .45 at arms length, but with the context provided by the slide and bushing it's actually really easy.

I agree with this.

The "flashback" theory had me for a second, though.

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When he said they were new at this, he meant the kidnapping, not crime in general.

We know from many other statements that they were both career criminals and had both killed before.

And one of the things this movie is praised for is the way these guys (especially Longbaugh and Parker) handle their weapons.

You aren't that good if you're "new at this".

As far as where the guns came from, they came from the trunk of the car they were driving in the beginning. When the car goes tits up and they walk away from it, Longbaugh is carrying 2 duffle bags he took from the trunk.

I'm betting they would not want cops looking in those bags if they could avoid it.



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