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One of the best unintentional Christian movies I have ever seen..


And the ironic thing is I dont think the Coen brothers thought they were making that type of movie, but they did.

The baptism scene, the scene at the end where Clooney sees the cow on the roof, and all of the wonderful music (the angel band song by the Peasall sisters at the end was perfect)...just a fabulous film. The cinematography made me want to visit Mississippi, and that is not the most scenic state AT ALL.

The only thing that I didnt like was where was the 7th Wharvey gal at the end?

Having Lebowski play the Governor was genius...he was perfect for that role. I didnt see this movie until a few weeks ago but I had to get the DVD. I wish the Coen brothers had commentary on it but unfortunately they dont.

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Clearly it's lampooning the bible belt. Christians liking this movie is like gay people reclaiming the word queer.

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> "Clearly it's lampooning the bible belt."

I saw no lampooning. It's a funny movie, but the Christian elements of the film are not mocked, except by Everett, who is himself being mocked for his pride.

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Every time a Christian under toning came in, Clooney's character always made fun of it or thought it was stupid. The flood scene, for example.

Will I lie to myself to be happy? In your case Teddy, yes I will.

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> "Every time a Christian under toning came in, Clooney's character
> always made fun of it or thought it was stupid."

Sure he did, and I referred to that (Clooney's character is Everett)! But he is also a proud fool, whose pride is his downfall. He is also almost always wrong.

For instance, he tells Delmar & Pete that they are fools to get baptized, because although it may set them right with the Lord, the state of Mississippi is a little more hard-nosed. But, by the end of the film, this has turned out to be the reverse of the truth. The State of Mississippi pardons then, only to have the man with the hound dog (the Devil) inform them that "those are HUMAN laws" and that their lives/souls are still forfeit; forcing them once more to get saved by a giant baptism.

Delmar & Pete are unconvinced by his argument, telling you "you should have joined us - it wouldn't have hurt none - it would at least wash away the stink of that pomade". Turns out they are right. The pomade (representing his vanity and pride) is the "stink" by which the lawman with the hound-dog (the Devil) keeps tracking him down.

> "The flood scene, for example."

Yes, after he gets saved by the flood his pride resurfaces, and he denies the God that saved him. The result, of course, is that he is still excluded, and his wife tells him he must go back to the river.

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Agreed. It's always interesting how Coen movies (or at least most of them) have an extra layer that can be examined, even in silly comedies like this. It's crossovers to The Odyssey definitely help it in that respect. I have only seen this on TV, so I've never had the chance to examine it yet. Not often someone actually changes your mind on THIS site.

Will I lie to myself to be happy? In your case Teddy, yes I will.

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We know that you like memento,

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> "And the ironic thing is I dont think the Coen brothers thought they
> were making that type of movie, but they did."

It's not unintentional.

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Do you think movies just sort of happen? The whole movie makes a punchline of him giving into his faith when all else fails. Filmmakers, especially ones as meticulous as the Coens, don't just throw random christiancrap into it and have it be unintentional.

Also lebowski wasn't the governor, it was the old cop from Dog Day Afternoon, except his voice was higher than usual, which sounds a hell of a lot like the actor who played Lebowski

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red_skin123 wrote:

Filmmakers, especially ones as meticulous as the Coens, don't just throw random christiancrap into it and have it be unintentional.
If you have a sense of irony and of anarchy and of the absurdness of life, you can with great meticulousness quite intentionally include things that don't make a rational point in the movie. That is showing the way that life is.
The whole movie makes a punchline of him giving into his faith when all else fails.
A punchline is just what it is. It is a joke.

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OP is saying this film has no self-awareness of it's own Christian subtext. He is wrong.

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red_skin123 wrote:

OP is saying this film has no self-awareness of it's own Christian subtext.
The society that the movie is set in was saturated with a particular version of Christianity. The film is quite aware of that and it is represented in the film. But there is no Christian "subtext."Christianity is just part of the environment, of the background, of what is assumed in the society in the same way that the Greek gods are in the Odyssey.

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Autism

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red_skin123 wrote:

Autism
I am sorry to hear that you are autistic. I do not know enough about autism to relate that to your misunderstanding this movie.

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"artistic"

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One of the dangers of voice recognition software. I fixed it.

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David Huddleston played Jeff Lebowski. Charles Durning played the Governor, Pappy O'Daniel.

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