the church burning
Are they seriously trying to tell us that no one left the church while it was burning? They all just stayed there and burned? That's unbelievable.
... and the rocks it pummels. - James Berardinelli
Are they seriously trying to tell us that no one left the church while it was burning? They all just stayed there and burned? That's unbelievable.
... and the rocks it pummels. - James Berardinelli
dumbass colonists!
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... and the rocks it pummels. - James Berardinelli
They didn't just "STAY" there. They were trapped. Don't you recall the chains on the doors?
shareDon't you recall the chains on the doorsI'm quite sure that a large number of people can break out of a wooden church with windows.
....only to be shot or bayoneted by the Dragoons who were still outside until the church was well and truly alight and there was no hope for the townspeople to escape
shareSo you would stay in the fire then? Hard to say I guess.
... and the rocks it pummels. - James Berardinelli
In reality they would have been overcome with smoke inhalation before succumbing to flames.
Fire kills in minutes, smoke kills in seconds!
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In reality they would have been overcome with smoke inhalation before succumbing to flames.Precisely. You often hear in the news of people dying in their homes before they could get to windows or doors that weren't blocked merely because of the speed with which carbon dioxide can incapacitate and then kill a person. By the time they had picked up heavy alter pieces to bash their way out their eyes would have been watering and their lungs filling up with smoke.
Thank you so much for a serious and thoughtful answer. They are often hard to come by.
This is exactly what I told the kids today! I was subbing for a class of middle schoolers and their teacher left this movie for us to watch! They knew about the chains and the guys outside, but they still wondered why no one could get out. The smoke from the wood fire is an excellent answer.
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shareYeah I actually helped close the church windows.. we did so pretty quickly after Adam Baldwin threw the torch on the roof.. they weren't getting out cause we all stood there and watched it burn for quite some time.. I felt so badly even though I knew they weren't really in there.
Were you on the set? If you were, in what capacity?
shareSpeaking of Adam Baldwin...for decades I thought he and Alec Baldwin were related, until recently. I should have been able to tell earlier, given that the latter is a much bigger prick than the former.
shareDidn't you ever see Die Hard? They start knocking on the windows and all of a sudden Hans Gruber comes along with his sexy European accent and before you know it he's all Schieß dem Fenster, and everyone is pulling shards of glass out of their feet. I'd rather burn alive than have that inconvenience, or even worse a damn splinter in my finger!
shareI think I would have tried to get out, at least. I think I'd rather be shot than burned alive.
Snakes. Why'd it have to be snakes?
Yes, in real life I believe they probably would have been able to break through the church in some way. Break the hinges off the door, break through the walls or window. I can't imagine they'd willingly choose to stay rather than take their chances of getting shot.
Per the smoke/fire comments that is true but I believe that stage would come later. The church wasn't immediately filled with smoke. There was time before it got in the church. The church had a high ceiling, the smoke wouldn't have been low to the ground even when it would have finally gotten to the inside of the church. Bottom line, the smoke would have been dangerous but they did have time, the church wasn't full of smoke during the early stages.
They did try to escape, though? You see a bunch of them trying to break the door down and smashing windows. Obviously since there were no survivors, they were unable to break out in time before the smoke/flames overcame them.
shareI have always thought this was a weak part of the film, thinking as others have said that the townspeople could have broken the windows, broken down a back door, something.
I also have always had a problem that the site looks incredibly "clean" when the soldiers come back to find the remains. The church is COMPLETELY burned and no bodies in sight. It just would not have looked like that.
I realize it is just a movie and things are done for dramtic purposes but I think the scene could have been done a little differently so it would be so questionable.
Also, I remember reading the Nazi's burned synagogues with people in them, so doing such a think is not unrealistic.
More important than making no effort to escape is the fact that no such incident occurred in the Revolutionary War. Like the Russian roulette game in "The Deer Hunter", it is just a fictional atrocity. There was a lot of brutality, a bit more on the part of the rebels according to historians, but nothing as craven as locking citizens inside a burning church. It took the Nazis in Oradour sur Glane to sink to that depth.
shareI have always HATED this part of the movie! I saw no reason for it to be done other than make us hate the English soldiers more than we already did. Let's pull on yourheartstrings a little more by locking all the townspeople in the church and torching it! Show NO MERCY‼ After that and what happens to his son, I was done. Yes, it is a true epic masterpiece in a lot of ways. However, I could'nt ride thatemotional rollercoaster again. I saw the movie once, July 4th 2000 and I don't plan to see it ever again.
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The soldier given the order to burn the church was definitely reluctant to the idea. The guilt is put squarely on Tavington's shoulders.
shareWow. I could have written your post word for word. We even saw the film on the same day! And like you, I will never watch this film again because of that scene.
sharebut we do see them trying to break out, and we're not shown everything, there could be more failed attempts, but how did they manage to identify the dead I wonder...
shareOP and some others here don't know much about history it seems. The Nazi's and their 'einsatzgruppen'in the Barbarossa campaign have done this several times. No one has managed to escape their fate. So what's not to believe in this movie? It's all very plausible.
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