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Why are so many of the fans of these films on IMDb so condescending?


First off, I did enjoy this film and I did appreciate the overall dread and suspense contained within. If I were to give it a rating out of 10, it would be about a 7.

What I notice a lot on these boards is that these types of films that leave more to the imagination than others have a lot of obnoxious and pseudo-intellectual fans that will disparage anyone who doesn't share the same opinion as them. They'll resort to the typical "Go watch a Michael Bay movie" or something of the like and will resort to ad hominem attacks against those who justify their position in a clear and logical manner.

What is up with these people that seem to be so high and mighty on here? I mean, do you think these people would be cussing out Stanley Kubrick for having one of his favorite films be White Men Can't Jump instead of some 5 hour film about someone herding sheep?

What about Tarantino? Some of the films he's claimed to love are seen by many to be cheesy, outdated and downright horrible. Are these same idiots that attack other people for their harmless opinions going to call out Tarantino for being an idiot and challenge him to a face-off in public?

All I see when I go on the IMDb boards is this holier than thou type garbage. Art is subjective and liking one film and not liking another has nothing to do with intelligence.

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Art is subjective and liking one film and not liking another has nothing to do with intelligence.
For me, this point of view is losing some of its lustre. While it's true that you can't necessarily draw a straight line between liking a good film and being intelligent, willfully not appreciating a film that has (at the very least) elements of brilliance can sometimes say more about the person in question than he or she might want to believe.

I mean, if we're just going to throw up our hands and yell, "All opinions are equally valid! All art can only be appreciated subjectively! There is no way to objectively assess a film's quality!" that's fine, but I don't think any of us truly believe that, even if it's fashionable to champion such points of view when discussing films. Democratic principles and all that.

The Blair Witch Project is an interesting case. I think it's great -- genuinely great, and probably the most significant horror movie of the 1990s -- but I'm frequently baffled when it comes to defending the film to its detractors. I know that, for some people (especially in the case of horror films) movies are little more than entertainment, so I'm not exactly surprised to encounter people who say things like, "Paranormal Activity is way better!"

And I admit that only weirdos like me can claim to actually "enjoy" this movie (it's a bit like "enjoying" The Texas Chainsaw Massacre) I would hope that most people with a reasonably sophisticated sense of film technique could at least "admire" it.

Still. I really do want to explain myself. I want to make people understand what makes The Blair Witch Project so damned great; they still might not enjoy it, exactly, but understanding and appreciating its merits would be a good start.

If I had to pinpoint just a few elements...

1. The acting. This is a movie that lives and dies with the quality of the performances. The fear and dread of these characters inhabits every furtive look, every crack in their voices, every helpless yell. I don't think authentic, visceral terror has ever been more convincingly rendered in the history of cinema (along with TTCM). (And while this might not be "acting" exactly, let's not underestimate the presence of the townspeople sharing local lore in the film's opening reel. Those testimonials pay off in a tremendous way suspense-wise as things start to go wrong.)

2. The immediacy and intensity. I've never been lost in the woods -- not really. But the reason this film makes me so uneasy is because it makes the experience so palpable -- and there's essentially no relief once things get underway. The movie operates like a vice, and the increasing desperation of the three leads is what makes it so unbearable. Notice that things don't get worse by a brushstroke; it's a methodical, deliberate escalation, skillful in what it doesn't show and particular in what it does show.

3. The element of the unexplained. I know some viewers feel cheated by the movie. Conversely, I feel cheated every time a horror movie thinks so little of me that it feels the need to explain every single plot thread in excruciating detail. The Blair Witch Project, more than any other film I can think of, does a wonderful job of withholding information to increase our fear. We don't know what it is pursuing the kids, why it left slime on their belongings, what Heather sees in the woods, whether that old crone was talking nonsense, why Mike is standing in the corner, etc.

Paranormal Activity doesn't have one iota of this film's moxie or skill. And I only use that film as a point of comparison because they were each touted as masterworks of indie horror, crafted on modest budgets. But really, I have a hard time thinking of any subsequent horror film that measures up to The Blair Witch Project. Further, if fear is the ultimate gauge for such films, I can say with certainty that nothing since has come close.

Which is a long way to say that, as much as I love horror movies, they don't scare me. The Blair Witch Project scares me.

But yes, the whole "Go watch a Michael Bay movie" school of IMDb put-down was never particularly clever, and it's been run into the ground.

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Well said.

I think it's well documented that there are objective qualities to an art form that can be acknowledged, even if your overall enjoyment or appraisal of it is subjective.

~ I'm a 21st century man and I don't wanna be here.

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Good points - all of them. There are a few other things worth mentioning here. But before I do that, let me just unburden myself of the observation that The Blair Witch Project is literally perfect as a story, as a horror film. I watched it last in a recent multi-day horror movie binge, and literally could not find a single thing wrong with it. You could argue over value of the "thesis" or the theme of it (which is don't disrespect old legends or warnings), or the whether there was a better way to communicate that theme or not, but you cannot argue about the execution, about the character development, or about the logic of the events.

And that brings me to my first point - there is literally not a single point in this film where you go, "oh, come on. Just do [blank]!" Having watched this film right after "The Taking of Deborah Logan", I was so relieved by the lack of scenes where the characters act illogically.

In The Taking of Deborah Logan, there are so many instances where you say "just shoot her!" or "just burn the damn bag!" (you know what I mean if you've seen it). The Taking is filled with characters who act like idiots, purely so they can keep the story going in a suspenseful manner. The Blair Witch, on the other hand, does not have any instances of that. The reason this film was so popular was because the characters act 100% as you or I might act in a similar situation. There is nothing unrealistic about their actions. They freak when you or I would freak, they argue when you or I would, they break down as you or I would.

Compare that to Paranormal Activity, which by comparison is a symposium of stupid. Sure the film is entertaining, but my god are the characters dumb. The fact that they did not leave after the first night of paranormal activity means you spend the entire movie going "oh my god, are you stupid? Just leave! Or call the cops and show them the film!". It's scary, but it's also dumb because you can't get over how stupid the characters act.

Next, the point you brought up about the fear of the unknown. What the people who bring that up as a criticism don't realize is that the more you know about a horror entity, the less scary it is. This ties in with the idea that when you don't know what something is, you don't know how to characterize it, how to respond to it. Is it a vampire? Oh, OK, get garlic and silver. Is it a satanic demon? OK, get a priest and a bible. Is it a mutant animal? OK, get a big gun.

In this film, there is literally nothing that lets us characterize the threat properly. We don't even know if it's the thing that the people described in the beginning of the film. All we know is that it's a cognitive threat (violates our understanding of the world) and it's a physical threat (is stalking the characters and will cause them bodily harm). All the gaps are filled in by our imagination, and all the lack of information means we don't know what to do or how to handle it. It is perfect this way. I guarantee that if the movie was made so that the full nature of the Blair Witch was revealed, all the critics would be going "oh my god, it's so stupid! It's just a [blank]!" Horror REQUIRES this unknown aspect; it requires that the threat be not just a physical threat but a cognitive one as well. The monster needs to violate our understanding of the natural world, which means it must be incomprehensible.

The Blair Witch does this perfectly.

Now, character development. The ending is satisfying because even though we don't know what happened, we accept the end because the characters has transformed. They've changed, which is something every story requires. The girl accepts that she was too bossy and naive, and accepts responsibility for the whole predicament. She also abandons her naive "tough-girl" persona and therefore abandons the part of her that was so patronizing in the beginning of the film. The male character, the one who makes it to the end, under goes a similar change, in that he acquires a sort of peace, an acceptance of the whole situation; contrast this with his previous arguing and emotional outbursts and you'll see what I mean. The male character that disappears before the other two, on the other hand, undergoes his own change as well. Before he vanishes, he breaks down, practically harassing the girl character while filming her. He brings her to tears if I remember right. So even he has a change - the woods ruined him, turned him into a terrible person. And remember he was the calm one in the beginning.

These might sound like stupid points, but every film, every story, requires changes like this. Even if they aren't drastic, it is a foundational element of story-telling. The book "Invisible Ink" lays this out well.

Blair Witch is perfect as a three-act story, it's perfect in it's emphasis on the characters and how they are effected by the paranormal events, it's perfect in all the technical aspects of film-making.

There are some crap-tastic movies that hit it big, but some movies that hit it big do so for a reason. There is a reason everyone knows this films name. It is a masterpiece. And I say that as someone who has spent the last three days watching crappy film after crappy film. I know what *beep* is.

But as an addendum, let me say that sometimes a movie is just not to your taste. I get it. The Wicker Man (1973) is supposedly the Citizen Kane of horror film, but man did I think it was stupid. Christopher Lee (Saruman in LoTR) considered it the best film he was ever in, but I just couldn't get into it. So taste is a big part of it. But I am not exaggerating when I say this film is a masterpiece that is more than deserving of its reputation.

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People who consider themselves above the rest of us are the ones who loves this "movie", people who consider themselves film snobs

Or who I consider film snobs..

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People who consider themselves above the rest of us are the ones who loves this "movie", people who consider themselves film snobs

Or who I consider film snobs..

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To be far, being more intelligent than most people who are very egotistical about their opinions gets really annoying. It's tempting to put them in their place. It's not so much condescending as countering the poorly constructed and yet self-righteous opinions. Criticisms of BWP usually amount to "I was bored." That's like a starving homeless person going to a pork buffer and criticizing it saying "I was still hungry" because they couldn't figure out how to use silverware. I think criticizing an opinion like that is fair game - hardly snooty or pseudo-intellectual.

Art is subjective and liking one film and not liking another has nothing to do with intelligence.

This sounds nice on paper, but reality unfortunately doesn't work that way. The fact of the matter is that there are correlations between intelligence and artistic preference, because more intelligent people usually have higher preference for variety and novelty. A dead giveaway of lack of intelligence is when somebody criticizes a movie for being different, because they prefer a conventional format and don't consider novel alternatives. Hence people who defend against these critics are called pseudo intellectuals because they dare isolate themselves and consider an alternative to public opinion.

How do you like them apples?

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Are you serious?

The only holier than thou morons are the ones that create hate threads, which there are about 10 of them on any one board. Who claim that these "aren't really horror movies" are "just cheap wanna-be trendy try-hards"

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It's not just this type of film, it's EVERY film in history. Go to any board and if someone says anything other than the film is perfect, some people will say they are just too stupid to understand it, for instance. A lot of the highest rated films are overrated. Especially 2001: a space odyssey and The Godfather movies.

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Well, can you blame Blair Witch fans for being a bit defensive?

It's one of my favorite movies, but I constantly come across people who claim it's literally the worst movie they've ever seen.

It does eventually wear on you when so many people tell you that this thing you love is the worst thing in existence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z55W6ihUY-c
Moderators are terrorists.

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And saying you're stupid for not liking a movie (when you have valid reasons) doesn't help matters either.

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It's due to low IQs that make them compensate by being on the other side of the fence.

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The problem with some of the posts are more about insulting the movie, then making any kind of reasons for discussion, of why they don't like the movie.

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Posts that blame younger generations on the other hand are much more thoughtful, intelligent etc. right?

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Bah, you kids today...

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And others are more about insulting anyone who disagrees with them than making any kind of reasons for why they think the film is so great.

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"a lot of obnoxious and pseudo-intellectual fans that will disparage anyone who doesn't share the same opinion as them. They'll resort to the typical "Go watch a Michael Bay movie" or something of the like and will resort to ad hominem attacks ".

You rip on those fans; and don't realize how pretentious you sound? Ad hominem? Really?

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IMDb users wouldn't know a logical fallacy if it bit them on the ass.

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People are like that on every thread here, that's just how IMDb is.

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