Context is important. Educational or not, film can be studied. It's an art form
As important as you may see context, I feel as though it's not something that is always needed. Not everything has to have a reason & I feel you can make a film that doesn't center around context & still make it good.
The Godfather bores me to death, but I can't say that it's a bad movie. That's simply being honest and knowing the difference between what appeals to me and what a good film is.
Well you can if you didn't enjoy it. Just because a film was well received by critics or well put together don't mean you can dislike it & say it's bad, that's what a lot of people say when they don't enjoy something. I just don't see how you can say it bores you to death & then say it wasn't a bad film. That simply doesn't make sense to me.
I like action movies, yet I don't like explosions for the sake of explosions. Many people complain about the same thing. That doesn't mean that I don't like explosions or jump scares...
Jump scares aren't put in horror films for the sake of it. Only a person like yourself who expects a new unique blandness in films would say that. Even then, why must you assume that it's put in for the sake of it. That's the point I'm making your complaining & assuming that it's for the sake of it only because you don't like them.
Doing something different. Jump scares are cheap because they are based on a simple principle.
And why do something different? I mean doing something different is good as long as there's a cause for it & not for the sake of it or because people expect to wake up each morning to something new which is never the case. Films are done differently but still do have the same formulas which work.
I see them coming miles away. I'm not on the edge of my sit... Last jump scare that I remember been cought by was in Insidious. Still, it's the same principle and the same cheap trick.
I do but hey that's the fun of it. And even then if you don;t see them coming you are on the edge of your seat. And for the last time it's ain't a cheap trick.
Caught* Wow... & this is coming from YOU trying to find fault with me.
Yep, I did.
Well I didn't so.
Sorry if you aren't capable of enjoying it.
Sorry if you did.
No, you are calling it BS and you were telling other people what their opinion should be. Do you remember?
No I wasn't I was stating my opinion. You however have been saying the following which you state as fact:
Still, it's the same principle and the same cheap trick.
I don't like explosions for the sake of explosions.
You can go on to take my statements the wrong way as I said before I'm stating an opinion & expressing what I think. YOU are getting sh!t confused.
And you assume those things just because... you are the one with prejudices. I watched Scream (all 4 of them) and Final Destination on the big screen and I loved them. I haven't seen The Tapes, but I find the other 2 acceptable. If I remember correctly I liked Grave Encounters 2 more than the first one.
Prejudices? We're talking about films here. They were great indeed but I'm just stating that I prefer them over this. I'm entitled to express what I think, I'm not telling anybody what they should think & not even saying that let alone. Even then I prefer the first Grave Encounters to the 2nd one.
I'm not talking about the subgenres. When I talk about tricks I'm talking about filming techniques, different ways of comunicating through film.
Still I'm not limiting myself. And also, it's communicating.
I expect the horror to be long. I expect to keep thinking about it. A jump scare won't sink in.
Well that's you not everyone. Even then jump scares just simply keep the horror film going as a pose to them being drawn out & dull.
Yes, amongst other things. That's the limiting part on your part.
No it ain't the film IS limiting.
BTW there's not that much subtlety in Blair Witch, it's pretty self explanatory. At the time I found that some people wouldn't pay attention to the dialog and would get lost about what was going on. They saw nothing happening while what was happening had been stablised through dialog, a dialog they did not pay much attention to because for a while it had an interview cadence.
Dialogue isn't what I pay attention to, I mean it is but you need more than just some dialogue to make a film scary. I have to see something or otherwise what's the point?
It works for me and many others. You are not able to enjoy it. That's fine.
Yeah but also me & many others DIDN'T enjoy it. I'm entitled to state this.
Maybe you should be more respectful if you want to earn some respect, kiddo.
This statement of yours...
Cannibal Holocaust is a slasher film while Blair Witch is a supernatural film. Your comparing oranges with lemons
How am I be disrespectful? It's you that being condescending & ignorant towards me because I'm stating an opinion & having a hard time about. Maybe if you stopped bullying people over the net because you've got nothing better to do with your useless life. Respect has to be earned & to be honest you don't deserve any with the way you speaking. You should also be respectful in how you speak & treat people with respect & speak to them with respect. I ain't patronising you am I? No.
Also, you quoting that statement of mine & calling it disrespectful, wow. How is that childish? Everyone uses that saying. Git.
Invalidates this statement of yours...
You must have a lot of time on you hands if you think your smarter than someone.
If you think that movies like Cannibal Holocaust and Blair Witch are far appart from each other... you are denying the truth just like a kid would do. The found footage technique, which both movies revolutionized, and even the marketing perspective, is a trick that these people made popular and others took as a blueprint.
I'm not kid. And this is coming from someone saying I need to be respectful? Why should I be respectful to an arrogant git like? Your clearly not being respectful yourself. Also, they are because Cannibal Holocaust is a slasher it's gory & bloody, while Blair Witch relies on the unknown. That's the difference if you read properly. I'm not denying anything.
What you don't understand is horror beyond the jump scare and gore. That's what you are saying over and over.
Coming from you going on & on about context & self explanatory crap. Wow.
I seriously doubt it. You probably like hyperboles. Good luck coming up with 5000 horror movie titles. That would mean that you've probably seen them all. If you are watching Blair Witch at this point... there must be many classics left on your watchlist. In fact, classifying Cannibal Holocaust as a slasher film makes me doubt that you've even seen that one.
Wrong.
No.
No. You should check the IMDB ratings by age to see the evidence. It's there. The highest ratings come from people under 18. You just want to be right even when the evidence points you're wrong. And then you question why I'm calling you kiddo? Like a kid would do, you don't care about the evidence, just about what you think.
I question it because you think it's alright o patronise someone even when you think you're right, ratings are one thing but opinions are another. Screw ratings, I think differently so what. And they way you talk, you wonder why I'm saying your old, because your talking down to me.
I've got nothing against a younger generation. The problem is you. You might grow up and still be the same kind of arrogant human being.
You don't help yourself with the way you talk & come across calling me kiddo & a kid. And thinking you know better & that I'm wrong. Listen to yourself.
Sure, sure... In fact, that's what YOU are doing. I'll watch anything. I won't say no to a horror movie. You are the one saying that the movies of your time are better.
No I'm not, I will watch any horror. I'm a horror buff after all. I don't judge & never watch a horror film. Hell I've seen all the Halloween Films, The Hellraiser series, Scream, A Nightmare On Elm Street etc. So I can tell you I've seen the classics even Alfreed Hitchcock films but that don't mean I have to like every one I see. I enjoy films now because of the generation I was born in, can't really help that.
The next generation of people who act like you will tell you that the films of your generation are crap, like always happens. So, you better get used to be on the other side of this conversation. It won't be long before it hits you.
Whatever you say. But that won't be me I don't bash things before watching them. That's not who I am. I like to have my own verdict on things.
What kids don't use to understand is that you'll find how years will make you see things differently, even movies. I've rewatched many movies that I disliked that now I adore. That's why I don't close the door to the option of any film being misunderstood instead of crap.
If you dislike a film you wont want to watch it again. I know that much. Don't mean I & many other misunderstood it.
Hey! You know what? I've always watched movies much older than me. That's why I had something to talk about when those people told me about old movies.
So have I & they're not to my standards in horror. Just me & who I am.
When did I say that? I mean, I don't care about when a movie was made, you seem to have more of a problem with it than me since you are the one bringing the topic of old movies vs new movies into the conversation.
You are implying it. You obviously don't see that but you are & clearly being completely oblivious to it.
who are you to judge & so what if I was under 18 & didn't enjoy this film?
And what if I enjoy the film? Why should I be listening to a whinning human being who can't respect others opinions? Should I remember your rant about those who like this movie? Why should I give you the respect you are not willing to give to those who disagree with you? At least I'm not writing beeped out words.
Me whining? Hah! No that's YOU. YOU'RE the one whose not respecting my opinions. YOU'RE the whining human being. I'm here stating what I think & your coming along condescending me & calling me a kid because I didn't enjoy this garbage film & you're having a hard time getting it in that thick skull of yours because that I think differently & didn't see it in the way YOU did! At least I'm not patronisng people. You're not respecting me so don't talk to me about it when your brought it up.
Do I need to check those opinions you passed as facts?
I didn't pass them as facts I'm stating an opinion(s) you're misinterpreting as facts.
Where did I say that films now are crap?
You see... that's the problem with you. I'm talking about an overused film technique and you automatically assume that I dislike modern movies. If I recommended you to watch some classics is because that's where you can see more clearly were the roots of the genre are and what it tries to accomplish. It's simple, it's easy to see, it works, and you would have something to talk about.
The jump scare can be achieved in a witch train or in a saturday party with your friends, you don't even need a horror movie to have one, it can be thrown into a comedy and it'll stay there not defining in any shape of form the movie as a horror movie. It has nothing to do with horror. You think about horror in a childish way and there's nothing wrong with that. I like gore, I like cheesy horror movies, but I also like the more mature aspects of it that can be combined with the cheesy, gory or jump scare in a movie...
I admire the blair witch project because it showed at a time when it wasn't that easy to make a movie that you could in fact make a movie with a low budget and make it big. It worked at the time and it inspired a ton of film makers. It became the most profitable independent horror movie. As much pride as you might have, those movies like Grace Encounters, Paranormal Activity, As Above So Below (which I find to be one of the best FF movies), the moody nerve cracking [REC]... wouldn't exist without the blair witch. It's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of listening to the actual film makers who say that they based their work on the love they had for blair witch.
You implied it. You didn't have to say it. But you very well implied it. Modern films do have the techniques you've been complaining about. So that's how I know. I have seen classics & think they're alright. Not my thing because I prefer modern films, but do like a few older ones but what do you expect course I'm going to like films now, not all of them mind, they have to catch my interest, but mostly. Jump scares aren't in comedies so no it's not as clean cut as that. The Blair Witch however, was easy & hell can be done by anyone from what I can see, it was just so boring & effortless. How can it be enjoyable is beyond me, but that's me & I;m stating an opinion. You liked it fine. But I didn't like it & felt some good jump scares & seeing things would've beefed it up quite a bit. And like I said, just because Blair Witch started many other films of that type don't mean it's great. You however think about horror in a boring way, me I enjoy them for what they are, it IS a film at the end of the day. That's not childish. So stop being condescending about my views like I'm wrong when clearly I'm stating why I didn't like this film.
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ilon
8 years ago
As important as you may see context, I feel as though it's not something that is always needed. Not everything has to have a reason & I feel you can make a film that doesn't center around context & still make it good.
I'm talking about the context in which you watch a film.
I just don't see how you can say it bores you to death & then say it wasn't a bad film. That simply doesn't make sense to me.
Because it's well made, well directed, well photographed, well written, great performances... and then there's me, the viewer, who doesn't like movies about the mafia. It does not interest me at all. And it's a 3 hour movie about that...
Now, I can take a step back and watch it with a critical eye and see what the merits of the film are.
Jump scares aren't put in horror films for the sake of it. Only a person like yourself who expects a new unique blandness in films would say that. Even then, why must you assume that it's put in for the sake of it. That's the point I'm making your complaining & assuming that it's for the sake of it only because you don't like them.
Well... sometimes they put a jump scare in a movie so it can make it into the trailer... A jump scare is an easy way of keeping the pacing when you don't have anything to move the plot forward while keeping it scary...
Again, potatoes are cheap and I like them.
Films are done differently but still do have the same formulas which work.
And formulas get old, that's why you need to come with new antibiotics from time to time.
Caught* Wow... & this is coming from YOU trying to find fault with me.
A typo? That's really childish...
Sorry if you did.
I don't have to feel sorry for liking a movie. You are the one pissed off at "boring movies and old people"
No I wasn't I was stating my opinion. You however have been saying the following which you state as fact
That's because it's a fact that the jump scare is a cheap trick. Ask any respectable horror director, they'll tell you the same.
Prejudices? We're talking about films here.
No. You are constantly talking about "people like me" and you are throwing me into a bag I don't belong to. That's why I said that I like those movies you seem to think that "people like me", you know, those who like TBWP, don't like or want to see.
Well that's you not everyone.
That's why I said "I expect...", you know...
Then... the jump scare being something momentary... you aknowledged it.
Dialogue isn't what I pay attention to, I mean it is but you need more than just some dialogue to make a film scary. I have to see something or otherwise what's the point?
Well... when the movie is suposed to be half (fake) documentary... it is really important to pay attention to what they say. You fit my description of what was common amongst those who did not get it at the time.
You must have a lot of time on you hands if you think your smarter than someone.
Yep. I'm already loosing too much time with you. You clearly don't deserve it.
Whatever you say. But that won't be me I don't bash things before watching them.
When did I bash a movie I didn't watch? Prejudice kid attacks again?
If you dislike a film you wont want to watch it again. I know that much. Don't mean I & many other misunderstood it.
You are a kid and it shows, sorry. Any film lover will know that there are many things responsible in you liking or not a movie besides the movie. Your mood, where you watch it, who you watch it with, when you watch it...
ratings are one thing but opinions are another
A rating is an opinion, kid.
You are implying it.
I can't be implying something I don't think. Again, stop with those prejudices and I would respect you. You are telling me what I like or don't like.
You didn't have to say it. But you very well implied it.
Then you wonder why I don't respect you. You are lying about me. If I thought that modern movies were crap I would say it.
Modern films do have the techniques you've been complaining about.
Dah! Old films have jump scares too. You'd know if you watched them.
So that's how I know.
Prejudice kid!
The Blair Witch however, was easy & hell can be done by anyone from what I can see, it was just so boring & effortless.
If you read a bit about how it was made, you'd know that you are wrong, but hey! who needs knowledge when you can state an opinion as the ultimate truth.
You however think about horror in a boring way, me I enjoy them for what they are, it IS a film at the end of the day. That's not childish.
So... I enjoy more horror movies than you do and I'm the one who thinks about horror in a boring way? and that's not childish you say?
So stop being condescending about my views like I'm wrong when clearly I'm stating why I didn't like this film.
It bored you and then there was something you said about people from the 90s. You clearly stated it, I agree.
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8 years ago
Because it's well made, well directed, well photographed, well written, great performances... and then there's me, the viewer, who doesn't like movies about the mafia. It does not interest me at all. And it's a 3 hour movie about that...
Now, I can take a step back and watch it with a critical eye and see what the merits of the film are.
That's a matter of opinion not based on fact. What was it you said about me telling you what you like? I don't care how well it's made in the eyes of film makers or critics, film makers who created the film are going to say it's well directed, written, made etc. Critics however are probably paid to like it & hype it up! How do you know they're being truthful?
If you believe every word you hear from them then you have lost the true meaning of what an opinion is. I don't go by what those idiots say, I go by what I think, I want to have my own verdict & to be honest I couldn't try & see it from their perspective even if I tried, I didn't like it & they did (As far as we know) unless I went with the theory of them pretending to like it because they got paid £10,000 then yes of course I would see why the "liked it".
Well... sometimes they put a jump scare in a movie so it can make it into the trailer... A jump scare is an easy way of keeping the pacing when you don't have anything to move the plot forward while keeping it scary...
Easy or not they're still a good thing to have. Not a fault if you get easily bored & expect new things in films, it must be pretty boring to wake up & expect something new & different everyday.
Again, potatoes are cheap and I like them.
Says the git calling me childish...
And formulas get old, that's why you need to come with new antibiotics from time to time.
Not really & even then if it's done differently then it's even better. You can always keep changing things up because a few get easily bored with formulas which still work. I hate cliche's but not all of them, only a select few.
A typo? That's really childish...
No it's not. It's called an observation.
I don't have to feel sorry for liking a movie. You are the one pissed off at "boring movies and old people"
Yeah you do. Because it's bad. And this is coming from someone saying I write beeped words? Hah. Your the one being pissed off at "kids" & what people like & don't like or because they don't see your boring view on self explanatory films.
That's because it's a fact that the jump scare is a cheap trick. Ask any respectable horror director, they'll tell you the same.
No, it's an opinion & directors who are respectful aren't gods so no. It's NOT a fact.
No. You are constantly talking about "people like me" and you are throwing me into a bag I don't belong to. That's why I said that I like those movies you seem to think that "people like me", you know, those who like TBWP, don't like or want to see.
So are you saying I'm a kid, stereotyping & being a patronising bigot. You're throwing ME into a bag I don't belong in, your doing it to by assuming I'm a kid because of my view on horrors. Your critising my view while stating a fact (or opinions which he thinks are facts) & this is coming from someone who has a dislike for being stereotyped & judged for what he likes & doesn't like. If you read some of your comments, you'll find you're doing the same thing.
That's why I said "I expect...", you know...
Then... the jump scare being something momentary... you aknowledged it.
Yes but I didn't say it was cheap, a trick or bad. You however have a negative view on it.
Well... when the movie is suposed to be half (fake) documentary... it is really important to pay attention to what they say. You fit my description of what was common amongst those who did not get it at the time.
Yeah but films are made for entertainment not for looking at a good dialogue, paying attention to what they say is important but visually you needs something to accompany what they're talking about otherwise it's like or you'd be as well listening to someone talking on a Dictaphone because there's nothing visually great on screen. In other words, you're not missing much other than shaky cam work & a damn forest...
Yep. I'm already loosing too much time with you. You clearly don't deserve it.
Well I'm not forcing a gun to your head & making you waste my time with me, so you only have yourself to blame for that one & don't flatter yourself in thinking I want you to argue with me, I have no intention in wasting your time.
When did I bash a movie I didn't watch? Prejudice kid attacks again?
Prejudice? I'm not prejudice old man.
You are a kid and it shows, sorry. Any film lover will know that there are many things responsible in you liking or not a movie besides the movie. Your mood, where you watch it, who you watch it with, when you watch it...
No I'm not. You're calling me a kid like I'm immature which is arrogant of yourself considering you're not being mature & patronising & be belittling people over the net. Considering an old man like you think's he's so callingly older & wiser! Also you're confusing me with your talk so unless you have any reason to keep arguing with me I suggest you just cut the sh!t & make your point. And you say I'm wasting your time...wow
A rating is an opinion, kid.
But is rating isn't fact, old man.
I can't be implying something I don't think. Again, stop with those prejudices and I would respect you. You are telling me what I like or don't like.
What the hell are you going about prejudices for? That's not prejudice, you can imply sh!t without thinking sh!t.
Then you wonder why I don't respect you. You are lying about me. If I thought that modern movies were crap I would say it.
What makes you think I respect you? Your lying about me with the crap you've been coming out about me.
Dah! Old films have jump scares too. You'd know if you watched them.
I have watched old films you don't know me.
Prejudice kid!
Sanctimonious patronising arrogant old man!
If you read a bit about how it was made, you'd know that you are wrong, but hey! who needs knowledge when you can state an opinion as the ultimate truth.
Well that's not the point. The point is it's got no skill to it & is too bland for my standards considering it's like an episode of Most Haunted only extended.
So... I enjoy more horror movies than you do and I'm the one who thinks about horror in a boring way? and that's not childish you say?
You don't know me so no you don't & you don't know me so stop acting like you do. And you say I think about horrors in a childish way? The hell?
It bored you and then there was something you said about people from the 90s. You clearly stated it, I agree.
Yes it did. 90's what? No.
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8 years ago
That's a matter of opinion not based on fact.
Well... I've studied the film. You know, there's a language used for film, right?
to be honest I couldn't try & see it from their perspective even if I tried
You are unable to see things from different perspectives. That's why you can't accept the fact that making this film can be much easier today than back then. You can't, even if you tried.
it must be pretty boring to wake up & expect something new & different everyday
That actually should be exciting to anyone. Most people get bored when they can predict what will happen. Wake up, go to work or school, get back home, sleep, repeat... That's boring.
It's called an observation.
Observation is the noun, childish is the adjective.
No, it's an opinion & directors who are respectful aren't gods so no. It's NOT a fact.
Director's aren't gods, but they'll know better than you about what they do. Should we expect you giving your opinion to NASA? They'll trust you I assume, because your opinion is the most respectable one I guess.
You're throwing ME into a bag I don't belong in, your doing it to by assuming I'm a kid because of my view on horrors
It's your behaviour more than your opinion. I have nothing against you disliking Blair With. In fact, I like intelligent discussions about film and I welcome different opinions, but that's not what you are looking for, but hey, don't worry, we've all been kids. I get what you are going through, hormones, being rebelious and all of that stuff. You'll grow up.
films are made for entertainment
It's much more complex than that.
don't flatter yourself in thinking I want you to argue with me
Sure, sure, you are not looking for confrontation at all.
I have watched old films you don't know me.
Then you would know that the jump scare is an old gimmick and you wouldn't call it a modern technique. It's older than gore, which started in the 60s with HGL I guess.
But is rating isn't fact, old man.
The fact is that it's the opinion of people under 18, kid.
You were talking about kids having a negative opinion about the film. I showed you where the information is. You don't like the fact that you are wrong about it and you are doing what a kid or someone with alzheimer does.
You're calling me a kid like I'm immature which is arrogant of yourself considering you're not being mature & patronising & be belittling people over the net.
This is what you said in the first post of yours I replied to:
Any old dick can get a camera, go off into the woods & makes this *beep* Are you the only one allowed to bring age into the discussion as a point? or is it just immature when it is used against you? Don't you like arrogant answers? Well, don't be such an arrogant kid.
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8 years ago
Really? This post is a week old & you decide to reply? This is coming from the guy who stated the following:
Yep. I'm already loosing too much time with you. You clearly don't deserve it.
Wow. And before you say, I'm replying to a day old post yo you not a week old post.
Well... I've studied the film. You know, there's a language used for film, right?
Studied the film? No, there isn't anything to study in this waste of time film. It's boring & has no entertainment value.
You are unable to see things from different perspectives. That's why you can't accept the fact that making this film can be much easier today than back then. You can't, even if you tried.
Now you're being judgmental. You're telling me I'm unable to see things differently from perspective's because I can't accept that? I for one can see things from peoples perspectives, I just can't see how you & others who liked this film can see that. Is that so bad?
That actually should be exciting to anyone. Most people get bored when they can predict what will happen. Wake up, go to work or school, get back home, sleep, repeat... That's boring.
Well yes but not if you get force it to happen & sit around complain the second something get's boring like jump scares. You probably only watched about 2 or 3 films in the space of a week or so & went "right, that's boring I want something different". Life is a cliche & many people get used to it, unlike people like yourself who expect something new to happen all the time, life doesn't work like that. Just ;like jump scares they come when we don't expect them. The good things in life we don't expect but come when we don't realise them.
Observation is the noun, childish is the adjective.
Sarcasm is also a noun just like the verb, patronising.
Director's aren't gods, but they'll know better than you about what they do. Should we expect you giving your opinion to NASA? They'll trust you I assume, because your opinion is the most respectable one I guess.
Says you! They don't know better than me, just like you don't. But I don;t think I'm better than anyone else, I'm stating what I think. An opinion. Stop judging me.
It's your behaviour more than your opinion. I have nothing against you disliking Blair With. In fact, I like intelligent discussions about film and I welcome different opinions, but that's not what you are looking for, but hey, don't worry, we've all been kids. I get what you are going through, hormones, being rebelious and all of that stuff. You'll grow up.
Stop acting like you know me! Seriously your patronising attitude is beginning to give me whiplash. How about you stop judging people & belittling them & start showing some respect so you don't contradict yourself in an argument, hypocrite. I am NOT a kid! Ok? Not a kid or a teenager. I have grown up I don't need you to tell me to grow up or that I will grow up. Arrogant old man...
It's much more complex than that.
It depends, but I don't so, yes films have hidden meanings & messages in them
Sure, sure, you are not looking for confrontation at all.
Coming from you.
Then you would know that the jump scare is an old gimmick and you wouldn't call it a modern technique. It's older than gore, which started in the 60s with HGL I guess.
It isn't a gimmick. That's an opinion not a fact for the 18,000th time. And just because I watch old films doesn't mean I'll think that or call it that. That's what your thinking does, not mine. You get bored easy from them.
The fact is that it's the opinion of people under 18, kid.
You were talking about kids having a negative opinion about the film. I showed you where the information is. You don't like the fact that you are wrong about it and you are doing what a kid or someone with alzheimer does.
I'm getting bored of your patronising comments. I'm not a kid, I'm entitled to have an opinion. That doesn't mean I'm wrong, a kid or someone that has Alzheimer's does. So you can quit this crap cos I'm sick of it. It doesn't matter what the info is. I didn't like the film & disagree with how it was made. Get that in your head.
This is what you said in the first post of yours I replied to:
Any old dick can get a camera, go off into the woods & makes this *beep*
Are you the only one allowed to bring age into the discussion as a point? or is it just immature when it is used against you? Don't you like arrogant answers? Well, don't be such an arrogant kid.
I didn't say you weren't, you did. I just stated & opinion of what I thought. I didn't say that everyone including you should think that, I was expressing that the film was cheap & easy to make. That's what I thought & allowed to think. So what. You can speak for yourself in that last statement of yours. I you don't like my answers & think I'm wasting you damn time then don't be such an arrogant old man & reply in such a condescending manor.
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8 years ago
Really? This post is a week old & you decide to reply?
Sorry, I didn't remember that you like fast paced stuff.
Wow. And before you say, I'm replying to a day old post yo you not a week old post.
Well... It looks like you are talking about the film in other boards. We all know that you had the munchies.
Studied the film?
Yes.
Now you're being judgmental. You're telling me I'm unable to see things differently from perspective's because I can't accept that?
Definitely alzheimer, because that's something you said.
You probably only watched about 2 or 3 films in the space of a week or so & went "right, that's boring I want something different".
I looked at how many films I've rated this week, just because I was curious, then looked at how many you rated and oh boy, that was funny, because it is you who only rated 3 films this week.
Sarcasm is also a noun
and you are pretty bad at it.
They don't know better than me
I don;t think I'm better than anyone else
So... what is it then? Are you better or not? Both statements are a few words, not even a line, appart from each other.
I'm stating what I think. An opinion. Stop judging me.
So... if you do it it's an opinion, but if I do it I'm judgmental? Sorry, but grow up.
just because I watch old films doesn't mean I'll think that or call it that
If you watch old films, you should know that it is an OLD, not a MODERN technique.
I'm not a kid, I'm entitled to have an opinion. That doesn't mean I'm wrong, a kid or someone that has Alzheimer's does.
You are wrong because I showed you some proof where you can see that young people are those who like the movie the most.
It doesn't matter what the info is.
Yes, it does. It proofs you wrong.
I didn't like the film. Get that in your head.
That's easy to understand.
disagree with how it was made
And how was it made?
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vengeance20
8 years ago
Sorry, I didn't remember that you like fast paced stuff.
I didn't I'm just saying why wait all that time. Naturally users respond within a certain time not over a week. Nothing to do with faced paced stuff.
Well... It looks like you are talking about the film in other boards. We all know that you had the munchies.
Munchies? No idea what you mean there.
Definitely alzheimer, because that's something you said.
Speak for yourself, you keep repeating the same crap too.
I looked at how many films I've rated this week, just because I was curious, then looked at how many you rated and oh boy, that was funny, because it is you who only rated 3 films this week.
Hah. I'm sorry I'm trying to see if you were being ironic or just expecting me to be the type who watches films every hour of the day. I do have other interests saddo.
and you are pretty bad at it.
Just like with with being a hypocrite.
So... what is it then? Are you better or not? Both statements are a few words, not even a line, appart from each other.
No I'm not being better I'm stating an opinion. I'm entitled to express what I think however you're arguing with me.
So... if you do it it's an opinion, but if I do it I'm judgmental? Sorry, but grow up.
That's because it IS an opinion. You however are judging! You grow up! Bigot.
If you watch old films, you should know that it is an OLD, not a MODERN technique.
An old technique that still gets used as it is so effective, you however were judging the technique itself.
You are wrong because I showed you some proof where you can see that young people are those who like the movie the most.
And does it matter? Millions of people against a small majourity could like it & that still wouldn't matter it doesn't make it a good film as it's left up to opinion of those who watch it.
Yes, it does. It proofs you wrong.
No because it's my opinion, I thought the film sucked so say what you like.
That's easy to understand.
Same as you liking it.
And how was it made?
You're asking me? I thought you were the so called expert trying to prove me wrong.
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ilon
8 years ago
Naturally users respond within a certain time not over a week.
Users respond whenever they want.
I'm stating an opinion.
You are stating TWO opinions about yourself that contradict each other within the same line.
An old technique that still gets used as it is so effective, you however were judging the technique itself.
It gets used because it's easy to make a "boo!" work in ANY movie, regardless of theme, threat, plot... You can easily set it up and bring it into its climax in a very short span of time. It's a quick fix. I'm judging it for what it is and you are misunderstanding what it is with what I think about it, how I experience it and why.
And does it matter? Millions of people against a small majourity could like it & that still wouldn't matter it doesn't make it a good film as it's left up to opinion of those who watch it.
Well, it matters if you are wrong. If you can't accept that you were wrong there's no way in which I could take you seriously. The rating is the opinion of those who watch it. It matters enough to be a representation of an actual reality. You said that young people dislike the film. That's not true, because there's an actual piece of evidence that proofs otherwise. It's not a matter of what you think.
I think that the movie is a 10 and you think that the movie is a 1, but at the same time I can understand why it has a 6,4 on the imdb. You don't want to do that. Saying that those who like the film like boring stuff has no sense, because things can't be boring for those who like it. At the same time you are judging the people to like the film as if they were a reason for the film being "bad". If you could understand why it bores YOU, maybe you could say something I would care about.
You're asking me? I thought you were the so called expert trying to prove me wrong.
I'm asking you so you can make me believe that you have actual knowledge about what you are talking. If you don't want to...
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vengeance20
8 years ago
Users respond whenever they want.
Well not if it's for a long period of time, it's pointless otherwise you might as well stop it considering you were complaining about time wasting.
You are stating TWO opinions about yourself that contradict each other within the same line.
No I'm not. Even still you're contradicting yourself by constantly arguing with me.
It gets used because it's easy to make a "boo!" work in ANY movie, regardless of theme, threat, plot... You can easily set it up and bring it into its climax in a very short span of time. It's a quick fix. I'm judging it for what it is and you are misunderstanding what it is with what I think about it, how I experience it and why.
Easy or not that's isn't the point. And in any theme? I don't think I've seen jump scares in other themes being used. It's only horror films I've seen them in. You really do have a negative opinion about them.
Well, it matters if you are wrong. If you can't accept that you were wrong there's no way in which I could take you seriously. The rating is the opinion of those who watch it. It matters enough to be a representation of an actual reality. You said that young people dislike the film. That's not true, because there's an actual piece of evidence that proofs otherwise. It's not a matter of what you think.
I think that the movie is a 10 and you think that the movie is a 1, but at the same time I can understand why it has a 6,4 on the imdb. You don't want to do that. Saying that those who like the film like boring stuff has no sense, because things can't be boring for those who like it. At the same time you are judging the people to like the film as if they were a reason for the film being "bad". If you could understand why it bores YOU, maybe you could say something I would care about.
I'm stating an opinion & you are trying to prove it wrong? Hah. Now whose trying to tell me what I like & who I am? I think differently & you can't stand that, you're arguing my views points with your which you keep stating are fact, but I disagree & you keep coming back. I've got friends of mine who disliked this film & they're young.
How am I suppose to know what others think, I'm going to keep thinking it's boring because that's my opinion. I'm not going to think anything else, I thought it was & know a lot of people who hated this film. You're judging me at the same time while making a point. Like I can't think differently. You're not going to give a toss what I have to say because no matter what I've been saying you've been disagreeing with I'm stating reasons why i hated it & you are arguing them like I'm wrong which I;m not because that's what I think. How about you come out with something I could care about? Don't think so.
I'm asking you so you can make me believe that you have actual knowledge about what you are talking. If you don't want to...
It's an opinion of what I thought obviously you & critics liked it. But I didn't, but I don't care much about this film to soak up knowledge of it. If it was the likes of Scream, Final Destination & Saw then I'd tell you all day long, but this film I disliked & didn't care to re-watch or think much off of. So no I don't...
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ilon
8 years ago
Easy or not that's isn't the point
Yes it is, because that's why I call it a cheap gimmick, because it's easy to make. It's cheap to produce.
And in any theme?
You should learn the difference between theme and genre.
Besides, I've seen jump scares in comedies.
You really do have a negative opinion about them.
Not that much of a negative opinion. It's simply hard to make an impact with something I've seen literally more than a 1000 times.
I'm stating an opinion & you are trying to prove it wrong?
Opinions can be wrong.
I've got friends of mine who disliked this film & they're young.
Sorry to say, but the most reliable poll will always be the one with more test subjects. In this case I'd say that the sample from the IMDB will be it.
Against your friends I've got my friends. I'm older, so I even had the time to make more friends than you.
How about you come out with something I could care about?
You just care about your own opinion, regardless of the facts that could contradict your opinion.
In my opinion you are a kid under 15, it might not be a fact, but it's my opinion. You could argue against my opinion with some facts. I'm not asking you to do it, I'm just trying to make you understand why your opinion even as an opinion can be debunked with facts.
I don't care much about this film to soak up knowledge of it.
This is why you try to argue against facts with opinions.
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vengeance20
8 years ago
Yes it is, because that's why I call it a cheap gimmick, because it's easy to make. It's cheap to produce.
It's what YOU think not a fact. Just because somethings easy to make don't make it gimmicky.
You should learn the difference between theme and genre.
Not really especially when the word "scare" gets added.
Besides, I've seen jump scares in comedies.
Yeah, but the word scare contradicts that.
Not that much of a negative opinion. It's simply hard to make an impact with something I've seen literally more than a 1000 times.
& it's hard to make a good horror without the formulas that actually make it good. Jump Scares for example.
Opinions can be wrong.
No they damn well can't that's why it's an opinion. Duh!
Sorry to say, but the most reliable poll will always be the one with more test subjects. In this case I'd say that the sample from the IMDB will be it.
Against your friends I've got my friends. I'm older, so I even had the time to make more friends than you.
You think I care about some stupid poll? Polls are polls. Opinion s are opinions. Get over it. You go by what some dumb arse rating is then go ahead. My friends like good horrors unlike this sh!te. You're old & ignorant. Not my fault.And really? No I've got lots of friends all of which hate this film.
You just care about your own opinion, regardless of the facts that could contradict your opinion.
An opinion is what a person thinks. Facts are facts but an opinion is a personal thing. Facts aren't involved with opinions. Even if facts do contradict options that doesn't change how a person thinks. Even then that DOESN'T mean they're wrong! I'm not saying facts are wrong, I'm stating an opinion & you can't expect that.
In my opinion you are a kid under 15, it might not be a fact, but it's my opinion. You could argue against my opinion with some facts. I'm not asking you to do it, I'm just trying to make you understand why your opinion even as an opinion can be debunked with facts.
Under 15? Who the hell do you think you are? Judgmental much? You realise this is why I don't give you respect right? Because you condescending & judge people based on age. Rather than what they truly think because you can't get it in your thick skull that's that what the think. It's a fact I'm not under 15, but it's an opinion that I think differently.
This is why you try to argue against facts with opinions.
That's not what I'm doing. I'm arguing an opinion with an opinion. Which just so happens to be yours! Someone who can't expect that I think individually rather than generally.
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ilon
8 years ago
Even if facts do contradict options that doesn't change how a person thinks.
It just shows how dumb or naive those people are, who can't accept facts because they contradict their opinion.
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vengeance20
8 years ago
It just shows how dumb or naive those people are, who can't accept facts because they contradict their opinion.
No you can't say that. People can except facts, but not if they're getting put down for thinking differently from those facts. Just because it's a fact that this film was well received & well made doesn't mean I & a lot of others have to agree with it. I can & did say the exact opposite & think differently. Opinions aren't wrong, even if facts ARE facts.
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ilon
8 years ago
No you can't say that.
Yes I can. In fact, I did.
not if they're getting put down for thinking differently
Then, I wonder why you did that in the first place.
how can anyone enjoy this is beyond me
Even for 1999 it wouldn't have interested people
I really don't get how people like you can actually say that not seeing anything is scary!
Any old dick can get a camera, go off into the woods & makes this *beep*
I really do get sick of people whining about Jump Scares & visuals in horrors like this!
I wonder why to give your opinion about a movie you kept talking about the people who liked the movie, or to a lesser degree about the people who made the movie.
Opinions aren't wrong, even if facts ARE facts.
In my opinion you are under 15, maybe 14. How can I be wrong, right? It's my opinion, even if facts are facts.
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vengeance20
8 years ago
Yes I can. In fact, I did.
No you can't. Opinions are opinions. You just can't accept that people think differently to you.
Then, I wonder why you did that in the first place.
You're quoting things I said which were opinions of mine, not telling other people what they like & don't like. You really need to stop & think before you start judging me. I can't possibly see from another persons point of view whats so good about this film so I'm obviously going to say
how can anyone enjoy this is beyond me
I wonder why to give your opinion about a movie you kept talking about the people who liked the movie, or to a lesser degree about the people who made the movie.
I wonder why when I was expressing my opinion you started on me in the first place. I thought differently & you picked on that. You keep trying to convince me this was a great movie by shoving facts down my throat about it like I've got no choice but to accept them. Thereby YOU are the one telling me what I like & telling me what's a cheap gimmick & whats not when realistically, it's a matter of personal opinion.
In my opinion you are under 15, maybe 14. How can I be wrong, right? It's my opinion, even if facts are facts.
Well no, because you are wrong & you're judging, not stating an opinion. Making a judgmental stereotypical assumption based on how I talk. And this is coming from someone who didn't want to be thrown into a bag he didn't want to be put in. Wow. But hey for what's it's worth, I'd guess you were late 30's, early 40's judging by how you talk. I'm giving you the same treatment you're giving me.
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ilon
8 years ago
I wonder why when I was expressing my opinion you started on me in the first place.
Let me remind you of how like an arrogant, ignorant, judgmental, dumb kid you started on those who liked the film in the first place.
I'd say it pretty safe to assume the high rating is from boring old people who actually like this crap
Go buy some candy instead of watching stuff for grown ups. You still can't understand it, let alone enjoy it.
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vengeance20
8 years ago
Let me remind you of how like an arrogant, ignorant, judgmental, dumb kid you started on those who liked the film in the first place.
Let me remind you of how stuck up, arrogant, ignorant, condescending jerk of an old man who started on me for thinking differently! Hypocritical d!ck.
Go buy some candy instead of watching stuff for grown ups. You still can't understand it, let alone enjoy it.
First off, it's sweets. And secondly, you can stop with the kid jokes now they're getting pretty old & tiresome. I'm not kid you don;t know me so just shut the hell up with the crap. How about you bully some other little kids on the net if that's how you like to spend your time you sad pathetic old tosser.
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ilon
8 years ago
First off, it's sweets.
Candy: A rich sweet confection made with sugar and often flavored or combined with fruits or nuts.
Go buy some candy, boy.
Hypocritical d!ck.
You started. Don't you like mirrors?
I'm not kid you don;t know me so just shut the hell up with the crap.
Hey! It's my opinion. Don't you dare saying I'm arrogant, judmental, ignorant or condencending. Opinions can't be wrong! Isn't that what you said?
RedLetterMedia just made a video with a nice discussion about the movie. That I can respect.
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Keltster
8 years ago
Maybe I can help clarify the "cheap gimmick" jump scare a bit.
Let's say one day I hide in your closet till you come home from work and yell "BOO!" Sure, I scared you but it was momentary and fleeting. It was easy. Just a little surprise and a loud noise. Furthermore, you'll lay your head on the pillow at night laughing about how I got you good. If I did it 5 times in a two hour period it ceases to be scary and it's just plain annoying.
Now let's say instead I dress up in dirty coveralls and a mask, wielding a rusty axe and I make it a point to show up throughout your day just standing there. I'm on the corner when you stop at a red light, I'm in the parking lot at work, I'm in the sand which shop you go to for lunch. All day I'm just there. By the time you get home from work you're so full of dread and paranoia you lock all the doors and check the windows to make sure I'm not standing outside on the lawn. You're probably sleeping with the lights on that night. That scare is not cheap. It's earned and it's long lasting.
If I pull a jump scare by jumping out of your closet after example two it's also earned but not necessary. The modern reliance on jump scares seems to perpetuate the myth that scaring someone means making them jump in their seat with a quick cut and a loud noise. There's an art to actually building tension upon tension and leaving lingering scares.
The best metaphor I ever heard was that scares in horror movies should be like sex. You need that foreplay and building of tension because jump scares are the orgasm. Once it happens all tension deflates and you have to build it all up again. We all love orgasms but it's the sex we remember.
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vengeance20
8 years ago
Well that's what you think but it's a matter of opinion on what people make of them. I think they're good, but not amazing yet I felt this film need it as it was just plain boring. Even if they are in your opinion a cheap gimmick I still would've liked it to be in the film & I would've gave it a better review & liked it a bit better.
I understand that tension needs to be there & that's what I meant. I don't just expect jump scare after jump scare without tension I know you need tension in order for it to work. Like how a roller coaster lift hill builds up kinetic energy before speeding down the big drop.
And easy or not it's still a necessity in horror films. They make you jump & that's what it's there for weather you can see them coming or not. And to be honest a film which is 2 hours long without anything is more annoying & boring. At least a jump scare is a form of "something" other than having nothing to redeem on.
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CptHowdy87
8 years ago
It's all about balance. There's nothing wrong with jump-scares. The original Hallowee which is widely regarded as one of the very best and most original horror movies of all time is full of jump-scares but it also ticks the other boxes for what makes a good horror movie. Some horror movies are nothing but jump-scares.
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