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Am I the only one who...


...somewhat sides with Hugo in this?

No I don't condone murder/manipulation... but when you look at the two men he essentially broke down (Michael and Odin) I can't really see a tragedy in their downfalls (save for Desi's unfortunate death).

Michael is an arrogant pompous ass who harassed and tormented Roger for no good reason... and Odin clearly was capable of violence/rage/murder so if Hugo hadn't manipulated it out of him, it would have peaked its ugly head sometime down the road.

No man would truly go that far unless there was something twisted and rotten inside of him already.

Hugo basically used all of the people as chess pieces counting on all of them to reveal their true colors... and in the end Michael was still a piece of sh!t and Odin was a murderous hot head.

"Yes I lied... that's what I do."
-Benjamin Linus

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I agree. Even when I was reading Othello I was like "this guy's an *beep* I know it was a different time - and he kept saying that by killing her he was cleansing her soul or something like that - making it so that she couldn't do that to another man. I can't really remember. Anyway, I thought that it was completely uncalled for. I felt really bad for Desdemona.

But I felt even worse for Desi. This isn't the 1600s. It's not socially acceptable to kill a woman for cheating on you anymore. Hell, it wasn't even acceptable then - but it must have been somewhat relatable, or else Shakespeare wouldn't have written a play about some dude killing his wife.

I don't really know why they wrote the movie like this. Maybe they're saying high school boys are easily angered? High school boys have lax morals? I have no idea...

And Michael Cassio... Michael, Michael, Michael. He was the most honest and kind hearted man in the play. That's probably why he lives in the play and dies in the movie. But I agree, he was a douche in the movie.

So yeah, Hugo/Iago turned out being on par with O and Michael in this rendition. But I think that's kind of how they wanted it... They did tell the story from Hugo's point of view - I guess we were supposed to relate to him.

Who knows.

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Theres a school of thought that Iago is supposed to represent Othello's dark and jealous side which is why he is so one dimensionally evil and Othello is so quick to believe everything he says.

O is one high school boy he's not supposed to represent all high school boys. However he does come from a violent background and this can effect a person. Theres no reason why a story like Othello can't be set in modern times as crimes of passion still happen today and the themes - sexual jealousy, macho pride, racism and snobbery - are still relevant to modern life.

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i never really like Odin really he was kinda of a blowhard. i liked Mike better than him. my faves were Hugo Mike and Roger.

Michael was just a snobby rich kid who was in over his head and Odin was a recovering addict =.

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hmmmm...that alone just describes the type of person you are.

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While i certainly agree before all of this happened O was not a perfect person i still find it very hard to side with Hugo as everything he did was not acceptable.

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You're damn right, OP: Hugo was wicked, but not really anymore than that nasty Odin.

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Hey you guys.If Odin did have all those bad qualities already buried deep down inside him.It should've been left the hell alone!

You want to play the game, you'd better know the rules, love.
-Harry Callahan

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I wouldn't say "side" with him, but no matter how jealous or mad or whatever I was at my mate, NO ONE would ever be able to talk me into murder.
That speaks to the actual person committing acts if they can be persuased to do something so horrendous.
How would you react if your friend talked you into killing someone...

Define "opinion" then get back to me.

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To this I have to say to corrupt others is to corrupt yourself. Everybody has flaws and everyone has a past (if don't have one keep living you'll get one). But does that justify walking around pushing buttons trying to bring the worst out of people? Not at all.

How are you so sure that Odin would have fell in to murder/violence/crime? You can make that assumption with anyone that breathes. Everyone has a demon to contend with unless you're a saint, be it violence, addiction, insecurity, etc.

Hugo suffered from envy and cowardice. Instead of stepping up a PROVING that he was the better man with HIS OWN actions he'd rather sulk and scheme on how to knock others down to make himself look tall. He is a formidable character the way he played everyone but no better. In, fact worse in my eyes.

Now can I relate to Hugo. Yes, I can understand where he's coming from, we all get envious but he took the bitch's way out of his circumstances.

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This is a MODERN adaptation.

Tim Blake Nelson was also working on O Brother Where Art Thou? at the same time. Another retelling of an old play, and one of the best movies ever made.

He tries to keep it as close to the actual Shakespearean play. Obviously there are changes as it is a retelling in a modern society. Seems like most of the posters hate comes from straight racism.

Odin was very much like Othello was in the original play. He is an anti-hero. This was very common in these sorts of tragedies.

If you don't realize how fragile the mind is at such a young age as an "adult" then you must have either not experienced it or have forgotten about it. The things that went on in my high school were obviously not huge tragedies all the time but there were people shot, beaten,stabbed and harmed in various other ways.

In most cases, these things happened based on he said/she said gossip that made its way around school. I had a friend who went to a 12,000 a year prep school on a full athletic scholarship to play quarterback and I saw the way he was treated and what he had to do to even "fit in"

Odin isn't perfect. That is the whole point of his flawed character. In fact, he's far from it. However, we all have primal instincts and with some people it is a constant struggle to overcome them. The school of thought that if someone is capable of that then they will eventually do it is so stupid. We are ALL capable of doing horrible things. That in NO way makes any of these atrocities justifiable at all but a human psyche can be shattered with the right manipulation and stressors. Especially when, despite his bravado, Odin feels deep down like he doesn't belong and is not good enough for Desi as it is. That is why the beginning shows how truly in love he is with that girl. The only thing he has to call family besides Coach and the team is her. Hugo *beep* him badly and ruins his life in those two aspects. And we are supposed to feel sorry for him and thing Odin is the bad one. Neither of them are choirboys but Hugo is Pure Evil.

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I wouldn't say I side with him; I understand his frustration and somewhat get where he was coming from, but that still did not make it acceptible what he did. If he truly wanted acceptance or recognition, he should have just worked for it (and not let his jealousy rule his thinking). Because of his actions, innocent people were hurt/killed, so its kind of difficult to sympathize with him after all that. Odin wasn't a saint, but at least he had more redeemable qualities than Hugo did. I honestly felt more sorry for Roger (he was the butt if numerous jokes, endured all kinds of humiliation from Michael and others, and basically was just a means to an end for Hugo).










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