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Why shot him in the eye?


I understand that on some level he did it because he wanted to save Paxton from having to go to war. But why do it while Wilson was shooting at them? It's not like shooting him in the eye protected him from Wilson. And how could he know he wouldn't blind him? And I thought that paxton wanted to go to war...

If they didn't have live amo what came out of Bozz's gun to hurt Paxton like that?

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If they didn't have live amo what came out of Bozz's gun to hurt Paxton like that?
I believe it was the hot expelling gases that hurt Paxton.
"Blanks" are very dangerous at point blank range. That model guy (John Erik Hexum, I think) from a TV show called "Model Undercover" or something died in a similar circumstance. He had a pistol loaded w/ blanks and put it to his temple and pulled the trigger.

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I never quite inderstood what blanks were. Are they bullets that are empty (no gun powder)? Or is it just nothing? But then what makes the sound? What gases?

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I never quite inderstood what blanks were. Are they bullets that are empty (no gun powder)? Or is it just nothing? But then what makes the sound? What gases?
Although I am not a munitions expert, the blanks do not have the projectile "bullet" in them. It consists of just the shell casing and primer, but I don't know if there is anymore powder.
Anyway, the hammer of the gun falls, igniting the primer and maybe some extra powder in the casing (not sure).
All of this power that is generated has to go somewhere, and the only way it can travel is down and out the barrel of the gun. Now normally, there is a bullet being pushed by all of this gas, but not in a blank.
The gas pushes the bullet w/ sufficeint force to propel it out of the barrel (depending on what handgun your using) around 900 feet per second.

In a blank, there probably isn't as much "power", because it's not necessary to push a bullet out of the barrel, but there still must be sufficent force (in semiautos) to propel the slide back and chamber another round.

In any event, the power needed to chamber the next round in Bozz's M-16 was considerable, and at close range all of the gas (think force) being propelled out of the barrel at I'm sure easily 1,000 f.p.s. would do considerable damage to human skin.

Hope this helps!

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Thanks!

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I really don't know that much about guns or bullets either, but while doing my military service I did on occasion have to shoot some blanks on an assault rifle and atleast the blanks we used had a wooden "projectile" in the casing which would shatter when hitting the piece of metal attached to the end of the barrel (ie the red thingies in the movie).
I understood that a piece of wood from the "projectile" scratched Paxtons eye or something like that.
As for the question of shooting while Wilson went on a rampage I just think that it would be the easiest time to do it because it could easily be seen as an accident and not a intentional action.

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and perhaps he thought he was going to die and this was his last chance to save his friend.

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They had these little red things in the tips of their guns. Like gun corks. For whatever reason, I have no idea. But when Bozz pulled the trigger, the little thing went into Paxton's eye.

In the movie, Pax said he didn't want to go to war, he just felt that it was his patriotic duty. What I gathered from the movie was that after seeing what Pax went through in Tigerland, Bozz knew he wouldn't survive Vietnam. He also knew that he himself had a better chance, so he went in Paxton's place.

That's just the feeling I was left with after the movie.

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Actually the cap thingie is there because it's necessary for the proper functioning of an automatic weapon. When shooting blanks there isn't enough pressure without it to reload the weapon on it's own.

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Hey all:

Blanks for M-16s are almost just like regular bullets. They have about half the powder used in a bullet and instead of a bullet at the end of the round, the round is crimped closed around a bit of wax.

M-16s have those red safety caps on the end when firing blanks. This is because the weapon's automatic reloading is powered by the hot gasses released from an exploding round. When the rifle fires, the bullet travels ahead of the hot gasses down the barrel. Near the end of the barrel there is a gas port built into the barrel. Some of the gasses shoot into the gas port, and back down an aluminum tube that runs parrelel to the barrel and ends in the rifle's bolt. There the gas pushes the bolt backwards against a spring. When the bolt moves backward it ejects the spent round's shell. It comes to a stop at the back, at which time a massive spring in the stock pushes the bolt forward again, where it pushes a fresh round up and out of the magazine and forward into the rifle's chamber. The bolt locks behind the bullet, the firing pin hits the bullet's firing cap, the round explodes, hot gasses travel forward then back down the tube, unlocking the bolt, throwing it back, and repeating the whole process.

Since a blank round doesn't fire with as much compression as a regular round, the cap is placed on the end of the barrel to increase the gas compression so that the weapon will cycle as described above.

I found that the M-16 doesn't really need the safety cap to regularly fire blanks, but there's a secondary reason for the cap: um, safety, lol.

In a training environenment steps are taken to keep the soldiers safe. They're not using bullets, but the hot gasses coming out of the rifle barrels are enough to injure someone's eyes. The safety cap allows gasses to escape, but they escape through the gas ports on the side of the muzzle cap. These muzzle caps are used to reduce barrel rise from cyclic firing and also to diminish the muzzle flash produced when firing a round.

Also the safety cap is used so that if a real round is accidentally loaded along with the blanks, no one will be hit by it. The rifle barrel may explode, but there's less chance of someone being severely wounded by the shrapnel than there is from someone being hit with a 5.52 millimeter ball round that leaves the barrel at 3,100 feet per second.

Also you can see Bozz put the side of the safety cap to his friend's face so that the gasses coming out the side would hit him in the eye.

Anyway, this is a lot about a trivial movie scene.

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1000 or 3100 feet per second can really do some serious damage even with a blank.

Have you ever been shot by a paintball gun at point blank range? A paintball generally travels at 190-210 fps, and at point blank, that can really hurt and give you some nice welts.

So imagine gas or the wood projectiles or w/e at 1000 or 3100 fps.

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"Why do it while Wilson was shooting at them ?"
- Because it's a better way to make it look like a genuine accident. Think about it : if Bozz had tried that stunt during a mock patrol in which nothing else out of the ordinary had happened, the brass would focus on that, and knowing Bozz's history would conclude that it was a case of intentional injury. Massive sh*tstorm headed their way.
But in that case, even if the top guys were suspicious about the whole thing, Bozz could say he reflex-fired back at Wilson without thinking his mate was that close, or maybe even that Paxton got injured by Wilson, grazing bullet, ricochet, whatever. It's all about deniability.

"How could he know he wouldn't blind him ?"
- He didn't, I think, even though Paxton seems so sure about it. I guess he figured that whatever happened, only having one eye was better than death. That's what he says in the end : "It was just luck, Jim. I could have killed you.", but that's the point : in Bozz's eyes, Pax *could* have died right there in Tigerland, whereas he *would* have died for sure in Viet-Nam.

"I thought Paxton wanted to go to war"
- Not really. Paxton's motives shift during the film, in the beginning he's actually eager to go, get stuff for his book etc..., but later on he doesn't want to go anymore, as Bozz opened his eyes big time, but his guilt prevents him from leaving the Army ("If I leave now, somebody's gonna die in my place").
Johnson also says so when he prevents Bozz from leaving with the hippies : "He signed up, and you judged him for it. You even made *me* feel guilty, and I got drafted.", to which Bozz replies "It's not my fault he just realized what he did".


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Good answers. You made me want to see it again. Can you recommend similar movies? Not necessarily content (i.e. war movies), but more the tone and feel of the whole thing.

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The only similar movie to this one would probably be Platoon and maybe Full Metal Jacket. And the both movies are great

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Why not.

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maaaaan. It was an accident!!!

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Yes, I also thought it was an accident, afterall, Bozz seemed to be really surprised. Plus they were on empty magazine, I never saw Bozz change his magazine.

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I think it's pretty clear it wasn't an accident. Bozz didn't seem surprised to me -- his demeanor seemed to me to show this is exactly what he planned. (Read the thread on which you're posting to find out why the 'empty magazine' comment is irrelevant) The interaction between Bozz and Paxton at the end indicates this, and the narrative is a lot weaker if it was an accident. It strains credulity to think that Bozz, famous for his ability to get guys out of service legally, accidentally gets his best friend sent home. Perhaps more importantly, it removes the most interesting aspect of Bozz's character development. At the end of the film we are led to believe that Bozz is going in Paxton's place, and if it was a genuine accident he should feel no responsibility to do this.

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It was not an accident. He did it in the heat of "battle" because he sees the opportunity to get Pax out. He knew Pax wouldnt make it in Vietnam. Boz was hoping he wouldnt blind him or worst case scenario kill him, but he took the risk. I think it was a split second decision. He seen his chance and took it. Excellent movie

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