Question about the ending (spoiler warning!)


I've never finished the book, as I found it too boring(!) when I tried to read it when I was young (long before these movies, btw). Loved The Hobbit book, though. Read that first.

Anyway, I've read a bit of the FAQ section here, and understand the ending is very different from the book.

Was it ever explained in the book why Frodo had to leave on that boat journey with the elves, along with Gandalf and Bilbo? It's not explained in the film, I think, so I'm guessing it's part of the things that were left out in the movies compared to the book.

I've just done a marathon of all 3 movies, extended editions, btw.


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I think this page does a pretty good job of discussing how the movie and book are different or adding backstory or additional details to the movie from the book.

http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/returnoftheking.html

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Also: look at the thread above: "Why the ending works". There's a short discussion there.

Note for would-be readers: many people agree with the statement above that it's best to read 'The Hobbit' first but a lot of long-time re-readers of the books disagree. TH is easier to read, true, but it's a children's story that adults can enjoy. The tone of the book is more that of a storybook with talking animals and Elves singing "tra-la-la". Lots of people are put off by the general "young reader" approach and assume that this is the style in which all of Tolkien's works are written. Not so. It would be a shame if potential Tolkien readers assumed that 'The Lord of the Rings' was just a sequel to 'The Hobbit' when, in fact, it's a very different work on a much larger scale (not just greater length).

The best analogy I've seen was to 'Tom Sawyer' and 'Huckleberry Finn'. Same author and setting and many of the same characters but TS is a nice children's book and HF has been called the beginning of american literature.

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...thank you to the both of you. I've seen the movies like 10 times now, but I think it's time that I read the book properly. I suspect I'd appreciate it more now. I'll also reread 'The Hobbit'. I undertasnd both books were written for Tolkien's children, but how about 'The Silmarillion'? Heard good things about that as well, and that it contains references to things that happened in TH and LOTR.

Edit: Also, I should probably read the originals of Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn. Although I'm not American (I'm Norwegian), I read a condensed version of both when I was a kid, in a series called 'Gode Guttebøker' (translates to something like 'Good boy-books', and I'm not kidding lol). I should really read the originals of those now as well, so thanks for the tip! Charging my Kindle :P


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I think LOTR starts out more for children or young adults, perhaps. But it quickly morphs into something much deeper. Tolkien changed direction, so to speak.

So lots of kids read LOTR. But there are tons of more sophisticated issues in the novel that one doesn't usually appreciate without some life-experience.

The style of LOTR is very different from The Sil. The Sil is attempting to mimic a different style of writing. It's almost biblical in places. Additionally, it was edited together after Tolkien's death from his unfinished writing. (with some, imo, loss of quality)

It's also a grouping of five works, with some of those works comprised, essentially, of a collection of stories. So it's not one story told start to end. It's lots of stuff.

Some people like The Sil very much. But other people - even those who love LOTR - don't relate to it well. I think a lot of people love LOTR and want to deepen their knowledge and understanding of Tolkien's Middle-earth and read it for that reason, even if they don't find it to be recreational reading. Unless you're flush with money, you might check the book out of the library to see what you think.

I wouldn't recommend staring with The Sil, for sure. And, personally, I might point someone who's just finished LOTR toward a few other books before the Sil but I wouldn't argue that they're the best things to read next. Only that I find them to be a nice 'next step'.

For those who love details, there is also a 12 volume set of Tolkien's drafts, notes, etc related to Middle-earth that people find interesting/helpful. Arguably, it's not canon. Although I found the one volume I read interesting, and dearly loved reading his drafts for his (ultimately unpublished) epilogue of LOTR, these weren't anything I was that interested in. Again, checking them from the library would tell you if they are interesting to you.

Other books to consider (that I've read and found worthy)
Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien (speaking of Kindle, I have a Kindle copy of this and it's great for doing word searches!)
Unfinished Tales (stories that are also found in the Sil but written better, imo)
Children of Hurin (reads like a story, I find Turin a pissant and the story depressing but, to each his own! Beleg was cool)

authors of analysis books to possibly check out - most will reference The Sil:
Tom Shippey, Verlyn Flieger (she's a challenge to read), John Garth (ties in Tolkien's experiences in WWI), Paul Kocher (older writing but I liked him). There is a TON of stuff out there now attempting to analyze Tolkien. Most of it is a money grab. I can think of two authors to steer very clear of (J. Chance, and D. Day) and I've been gifted with lots of 'analysis' books that I will likely never pick up.

I think though, explore what you are drawn to and don't be afraid to set something aside completely or maybe just for the moment. Understand that Tolkien's writings will resonate with you differently at different stages of life. My relationship with Tolkien is deeply personal and all my 'academic' study has been part of my drive to understand that. I would always seek to encourage people to tap into him on a personal level and let that drive how they study and/or discuss him. That's to say, take advice. But trust your heart on what speaks to you and what doesn't.

And let us know how it goes. :-)

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Thank you very much for that very detailed reply, magpie930. Much appreciated.

You're obviously a lot more into analysing the book than me. I mainly read books to have a good time while reading them. I'm certainly not an academic.

To be honest, I only read The Hobbit then started on LOTR (and planning to read The Silmarillion after) after I became a big fan of a band called Marillion in the mid 80s, and read that they had taken the name from The Silmarillion. Strange how things can turn out, some times.

Anyway, thanks again for a great reply. I've copied it into a text file so that I can look up some of the other titles and authors you mentioned.


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yeah... only do the analysis stuff if that's where your interests lie.

If you like 'just reading', then that would be Sil, Unfinished Tales (and, I liked UT better than the Sil), and Children of Hurin.

If you haven't done it, browsing his wikipedia article might be a good intro into some of the other things he's done that's not Middle-earth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._R._R._Tolkien

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I'm reading The Silmarillion right now. I like it so far.

Do not read it first! Read (or re-read) The Hobbit and LOTR first.

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Thank you, and...

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Wishing you many happy hours of reading. Advice? It can be a bit of a slog at first. Don't be afraid to skim some of the long descriptions of the scenery until you settle into the pacing. You can go back on your later re-readings and spend some time on those and on the longer poems.

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*agreed*

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